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Haiti 23 people have died and 80 hospitalized, the resurgence of the cholera epidemic

DJ, The Haiti cholara outbreak was linked to the 2010 Haïti earthquake (killing up to 250,000-300,000 people) and Nepalese UN peacekeepers recieving cholera infected mail from Nepal in Haïti...The following out break killed over 9,000 Haitians and several hundreds in the Dominican Republic (in Haïti modern form of slavery-foreign workers). 

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JUST IN: Mexico reports its 1st human case of H5N1 bird flu A 3-year-old girl from Durango in serious condition

DJ, In 2024 Mexico did see one person die from H5N2...there must be lots of "mild" cases of H5N1 in Mexico linked to Mexican farm workers exploited in the US, Texas cattle exported to Mexico and raw milk consumption...

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CDC division responsible for asthma control and lead poisoning prevention effectively eliminated

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Kennedy’s team asked the FDA for data on deaths caused by the measles vaccine. Public health vandalism.
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https://www.drugtopics.com/view/bird-flu-hospitalizes-2-more-patients-as-outbreaks-increase or https://www.drugtopics.com/view/bird-flu-hospitalizes-2-more-patients-as-outbreaks-increase ;
Two more US patients have been hospitalized with bird flu complications as cases continue to rise slowly among humans but much more quickly among animals, according to The Guardian.1

DJ, So far the US "only admitted" 70 human cases of human H5N1. Most of them "mild". The real number of US cases of H5N1 runs in the hundreds-very likely by now 1,000+...

Wild birds, wild animals, further spreading H5N1/other types of flu...CoViD out of control...So H5N1/CoViD, measles now are global problems...

India also recently admitted a human case of H5N1...did NOT mention lots of other cases...

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/german-scientists-develop-new-ai-based-mutation-detection-system-to-monitor-novel-covid-19-and-influenza-strains or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/german-scientists-develop-new-ai-based-mutation-detection-system-to-monitor-novel-covid-19-and-influenza-strains 

DJ, The problem is NOT there are no tests...the problem is NOT using them...

We are in a multi disease pandemic (CoViD, H5N1, Mpox, measles, TB..) and on our way to a massive killer "disease X"...but "politics" priority is war...
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-Measles-only seen in humans- growing problem however so far in clusters (around elementary schools/in unvaccinated often children. In part imported)  NOT nation wide in most countries...
-CoViD -widespread in lots of creatures/animals...maybe by now MOST cases no longer in humans...Lots of new variants...biggest problem is CoViD being ignored...
-Mpox seems to hae a low R0 outside Africa...groups at risk are limited. In part gay men...but others also run risk when they get in contact with infected surfaces...The news is "under control" NOT the disease !

TB(c) cases show up a "bit more often" in the news...Like other diseases lots of cases missed/ignored or not reported...

H5N1 now also human cases in Mexico, India...linked to (wild/farm) birds...Very likely lots more human cases of H5N1 are ignored...

H5N1 is also widespread in lots of other species all over the globe (maybe Australia/New Zealand do not see H5N1 but have "their own" H7-flu types). 

A major risk is H5N1 mixing with other types of flu. https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/eid-journal-influenza-ah1n1pdm09-virus.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/eid-journal-influenza-ah1n1pdm09-virus.html ;While 99% of wild-type seasonal flu viruses remain susceptible to Oseltamivir/Baloxavir, we follow reports of resistant strains with considerable interest.

DJ, the/a mix of diseases could undermine the defenses we have. From "natural-immunity" against measles no longer effective to H5N1 re-infecting US chicken....

We have to go for the RIGHT priorities; climate, health...NOT war !  We are moving high speed in the wrong direction !
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DJ, background factors like wars, economy, climate are major factors in (the ability of) dealing with pandemics.  They all need even more attention now the world economy is shifting towards (Eur)Asia...Climate problems worsen (flooding in a.o. US, Greek Islands, drought a growing problem in NL).

https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/j-virology-synergistic-effects-of-pa.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/j-virology-synergistic-effects-of-pa.html ;

J. Virology: Synergistic Effects of PA (S184N) & PB2 (E627K) Mutations on the Increased Pathogenicity of H3N2 Canine Influenza Virus Infections in Mice and Dogs


The revelation - just over a year ago - that goats and dairy cattle were susceptible to HPAI H5 infection wasn't the first such `Aha!' moment with unexpected influenza hosts.  A little over 20 years ago, most researchers believed cats and dogs weren't susceptible to influenza A viruses. 

That is, until spillovers occurred in both species (equine H3N8 in dogs and avian H5N1 in cats) in 2003-2004 (see A Dog & Cat Flu Review).  A few years later (2007), an Avian H3N2 virus spilled over into dogs in Korea, and has since spread globally, arriving in the United States in 2015.

In 2017 the CDC added Canine H3N2 to their IRAT List of zoonotic influenza viruses with pandemic potential, albeit with relatively low (3.7)

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Chinese scientists over the past decade have visibly increased their scrutiny of novel H3 viruses, as they are commonly observed in wild birds and poultry, and are increasingly spilling over into mammals (see EID Journal: Evolution of Avian Influenza Virus (H3) with Spillover into Humans, China).

All of which brings us to a new study from researchers at the Guangdong Provincial Pet Engineering Technology Research Center, which used serial passaging experiments (in murine lungs), to generate a more pathogenic and mammalian adapted virus
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In April of 2020,  China's MOA reclassified dogs as `companion animals' rather than `livestock', although it is estimated that somewhere between 10 and 20 million dogs are farmed/abducted in China each year for fur and/or meat. 

But even in countries where such practices uncommon, animal shelters have proven excellent venues for extended chains of infection (e.g. Canine parvovirus, feline panleukopenia, canine and feline viral respiratory pathogens, etc. )

The avian H7N2 outbreak in cats across several NYC animals shelters over Christmas of 2016 spread to hundreds of felines, and spilled over into several workers (see J Infect Dis: Serological Evidence Of H7N2 Infection Among Animal Shelter Workers, NYC 2016).

Admittedly, the emergence of a human-adapted H3N2 virus is probably a long-shot. But the more opportunities we give it, the greater the chances of it eventually getting lucky. 

And since it isn't just canine H3N2 - but rather a large (and growing) array of novel flu viruses all with varying degrees of zoonotic potential (e.g. H5N1, H5N5, H5N6, H9N2, H10Nx, etc.) -  the smart money is on preparing now for what could be a very bumpy road ahead.   

DJ, In East Asia eating dogs, or keeping dogs for furs WAS widespread...but even there most dogs now are kept as companion...

The way some pet owners deal with their pet-as if it was a child or partner-is a major (social) health risk...

Lots of diseases in pets not only (H5N1 etc) flu may spread into humans...CoViD very likely jumped between cats and humans in some cases-resulting in more mutations/variants...

Not only do pandemics like CoViD and flu continue via pets. It can also increase the risk of new diseases spreading among humans...Cats/dogs (etc) get in contact with lots of "things" humans stay away from...

Better monitoring of those risks is an URGENT need !
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DJ, "for ever wars/genocides" no problem for western "politics"-from the "right" to the "left" is now "normalized"...Climate collapse "no problem"...So what does this say about how these criminal politicians deal with pandemics ? 

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Texas Today's 24 newly reported cases push the state's total since January to 505. All but 10 patients were unvaccinated or had unknown vaccine statuses. Fifty-seven people were hospitalized, and two deaths have been reported in school-aged children.
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This system wasn’t built to see slow collapse. It was built to blame you for it.
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Hantavirus kills 3 Californians
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SCOOP: In his first meeting with staff, Dr. Oz, who now controls the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and its $1.5 trillion budget, promoted the idea that AI avatars could replace frontline health care workers.
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DJ, NL healthcare because of aging, bad wages/hours is facing over 300,000 jobs not being filled...With criminal politicians trying to increase NL military from 70,000 to 200,000+...

Over a billion people may not have enough food, clean drinkable water...but "the west" is "investing" in war...

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/global-hepatitis-deaths-surge-while-most-infected-still-undiagnosed-and-untreated or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/global-hepatitis-deaths-surge-while-most-infected-still-undiagnosed-and-untreated 

And-of course-CoViD, flu-types, mpox all are NOT over...
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https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/who-sear-epidemiological-update-on-h5n1.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/who-sear-epidemiological-update-on-h5n1.html ;

It's been just over a week since the flurry of media reports on the death of a toddler in Andhra Pradesh, India from the H5N1 virus (see Apr 2nd's Media Reports Of Fatal H5N1 Case in Child In Andhra Pradesh, India).

While many of these media reports cite `government sources', over the past week I've not been able to find any confirmation published on an official government website.  

The official X/Twitter  account for Health, Medical & Family Welfare Department, Government of Andhra Pradesh is quite active, with scores of updates for the month of April, but with no mention of H5N1. 

Their webpage (https://hmfw.ap.gov.in/) has links for Notifications and News/Media, but none of them appear to work, and their (COVID centric) Facebook page hasn't been updated since Sept 2022.

Similarly, searches of the Government of India Press Information Bureau (in both English & Hindi) turn up no mention of this case, and only two press releases mentioning H5N1 (here, and here) this month.  Several other Indian govt sites were simply unresponsive despite multiple attempts to access them.

Sadly, this game of hide and seek with official data isn't unusual, and it isn't just from India (see From Here To Impunity).  Our ability to track individual spillovers and outbreaks continues to deteriorate as more and more countries decide there is little to gain by releasing detailed information.

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Two days later (Feb 24th) we looked at a preprint on feline infections in Chhindwara with a triple-reassortant H5N1 virus (see Preprint: HPAI A (H5N1) Clade 2.3.2.1a Virus Infection in 2 Domestic Cats, India, 2025).

While I've no doubt we'll eventually get an update on this latest human case from India via the WHO, it is disconcerting how much H5N1 activity there appears to be in India, and how few details we are privy to.

Of course we've heard no updates since the initial announcement of the UK's human H5 infection in January, or on the UK's H5N1 infected Sheep reported more than 2 weeks ago H5N1 reports have slowed markedly here in the United States since January, and many countries remain completely silent on the threat. 

Two weeks ago we looked a scathing report on the delays (months, sometimes even > 1 year) by countries submitting H5N1 sequence data to GISAID (see Nature: Lengthy Delays in H5N1 Genome Submissions to GISAID).

While I have no way to accurately quantify how much we aren't hearing about H5N1, it is a pretty good bet it is substantial. And this silence extends far beyond just H5N1 (see Flying Blind In The Viral Storm).

A reminder that no news doesn't necessarily mean `good news'.

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https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/switzerland-announces-1st-imported-mpox.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/switzerland-announces-1st-imported-mpox.html ; While it gets less attention than H5N1, the WHO declaration of a PHEIC (Public Health Emergency of International Concern) remains in place for the Mpox Clade Ib virus, and the number of countries outside of Central Africa seeing imported cases continues to rise. 

Yesterday Switzerland became the latest European country to report an imported case

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On Monday the UK announced their first Mpox Clade Ib case Without Recent Travel or Known Exposure, which - while still only one case - raises concerns over the potential community transmission of this emerging clade of the virus. 
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Although the first PHEIC issued in the summer of 2022 over the international spread of the Clade IIb, Mpox virus was rescinded in 2023 following steep declines in cases (due largely to uptake of the Mpox Vaccine and behavior changes), we continue to see signs of its resurgence. 

Yesterday Vancouver's Coastal Health issued a bulletin warning of increasing numbers of cases in recent months.

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Today you can literally hop on a plane and be in any corner of the world within 24 hours. Millions of airline passengers make international flights each day, and along with their luggage and cell phones, a small percentage will be carrying infectious diseases.

Most viral infections have a 2 to 14 day incubation period, giving an infected traveler a fairly long asymptomatic `window' for travel. 

As we've seen with MERS-CoV, Mpox, H5N1, and Ebola - most of these viral introductions have failed to take root - but the rapid global spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in early 2020 illustrates how quickly the status quo can change.

Which why we can't afford to ignore these types of outbreaks, no matter where they occur. 

DJ, Spread of all kinds of diseases in lots of animals-further spreading/evolving the disease only means risks increase. 

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-long-covid-individuals-found-to-have-a-disruption-in-the-critical-brain-bridge-linking-the-brainstem-and-cerebellum or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-long-covid-individuals-found-to-have-a-disruption-in-the-critical-brain-bridge-linking-the-brainstem-and-cerebellum 
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https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-hidden-spike-cleavage-site-in-covid-19-virus-found-to-supercharge-fusion-and-possibly-boost-infectivity or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-hidden-spike-cleavage-site-in-covid-19-virus-found-to-supercharge-fusion-and-possibly-boost-infectivity 

DJ, CoViD is far from over...just "no longer news"...
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https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-new-h1n1-flu-strains-that-emerged-in-late-2024-and-early-2025-trigger-diagnostic-failures-in-testing-kits or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-new-h1n1-flu-strains-that-emerged-in-late-2024-and-early-2025-trigger-diagnostic-failures-in-testing-kits  linking to;

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1386653225000393 or https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1386653225000393 ;

Emergence of influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 6B.1A.5a.2a and 6B.1A.5a.2a.1 subclades leading to subtyping failure in a commercial molecular assay

Background

During the 2023–2024 and early 2024–2025 influenza seasons, several influenza A-positive specimens in our laboratory failed subtyping for H1, H1pdm09, and H3 using the Allplex Respiratory Panel 1 (Allplex RP1) (Seegene Inc.). This study aimed to identify the cause of these subtyping failures.

Results

Among the 23 unsubtypeable specimens, 22 yielded PCR products for sequencing. Of these, 21 belonged to subclade 6B.1A.5a.2a.1 and one to 6B.1A.5a.2a. Sequence analysis revealed mismatches in the H1pdm09 primer/probe-binding regions of Allplex RP1, explaining the subtyping failures. Despite testing negative for H1pdm09 in Allplex RP1, sequencing confirmed their classification as H1N1pdm09 subclades with HA gene mutations.

Conclusions

Subclades 6B.1A.5a.2a.1 and 6B.1A.5a.2a harbour mutations that contributed to subtyping failures in some specimens tested with a commercial assay. While unsubtypeable influenza A results often raise concerns about emerging strains, sequencing confirmed that all unsubtypeable specimens tested with Allplex RP1 belonged to H1N1pdm09 within recognised subclades. Thus, such subtyping failures in this assay do not necessarily indicate a novel or zoonotic virus, though genomic surveillance remains essential.
DJ, If diseases are NOT showing up in the tests used they may be missed...and spreading...
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DJ, A few items on the many diseases;

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-a-thru-h/childhood-diseases/measles/1011111-mexico-2025-measles-1st-death-reported or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-a-thru-h/childhood-diseases/measles/1011111-mexico-2025-measles-1st-death-reported ;

Source: https://www.unotv.com/salud/mexico-r...-de-sarampion/

Mexico records first death from current measles outbreak
April 11, 2025 | 6:06 PM | Fernando Reyes | SSA

Mexico recorded the first death resulting from the current measles outbreak affecting several countries, according to the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO).

The death occurred in the state of Chihuahua and involved a 31-year-old man from the municipality of Ascensión. He had not been vaccinated against measles and also had diabetes.

The Chihuahua Secretary of Health, Gilberto Baeza, explained that the person's infection is related to the measles outbreak in Texas, United States.

As of epidemiological week 13, from March 23 to 29, 2025, the Febrile Exanthematous Disease Epidemiological Surveillance System (FSIS) has reported 934 probable cases of measles, as reported in its bulletin.

Chihuahua is the state with the highest number of infections, with 121 nationwide, according to the measles epidemiological situation in Mexico.

Currently, there are 126 confirmed cases of measles in Mexico, according to health authorities.​
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https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/996089-covid-19-strain-xec-and-family-xfl?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/996089-covid-19-strain-xec-and-family-xfl?view=stream ;
XFL: XEU/XEC.18 recombinant with 2-nuc Orf1a:Q1757L (29, 7 countries) #2528
DJ, CoViD NOT over...(could be developing towards maximum virus-spread, limited disease at first-but the virus may stay in its hosts for years-resulting in worsening long term health...Ignored by "politics"...) 
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https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines/1011576-j-infect-dis-vaccine-effectiveness-against-influenza-a-h1n1-a-h3n2-and-b-associated-hospitalizations-united-states-september-1-2023-may-31-2024 or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines/1011576-j-infect-dis-vaccine-effectiveness-against-influenza-a-h1n1-a-h3n2-and-b-associated-hospitalizations-united-states-september-1-2023-may-31-2024 ;

Results: Among 7690 patients, including 1170 influenza cases (33% vaccinated) and 6520 controls, VE was 40% (95% CI: 31%-48%) with varying estimates by age (18-49 years: 53% [34%-67%]; 50-64 years: 47% [31%-60%]; ≥65 years: 31% [16%-43%]). Protection was similar among immunocompetent patients (40% [30%-49%]) and immunocompromised patients (32% [7-50%]). VE was statistically significant against influenza B (67% [35%-84%]) and A(H1N1) (36% [21%-48%]) and crossed the null against A(H3N2) (19% [-8%-39%]). VE was higher for patients 14-60 days from vaccination (54% [40%-65%]) than >120 days (18% [-1%-33%]).
Conclusions: During 2023-2024, influenza vaccination reduced the risk of influenza A(H1N1)- and influenza B-associated hospitalizations among adults; effectiveness was lower in patients vaccinated >120 days prior to illness onset compared with those vaccinated 14-60 days prior.
DJ, So in some cases vaccination INCREASED (???) the risk for H3N2 ? Protection very limited after 120 days...Best timing may be 30-60 days before the start of a flu season-depending on how long a flu season (normaly) lasts...

In the north part of the globe "normal flu season" is as good as over. However risks for H5, H7 etc remains...Increased risks for spread may be in testing failing to detect the type of flu infection. 

Flu-tests only loke for ONE specific flu-gene...PCR testing may be needed to further get specifics on what type of flu a person may have...(In general very likely a few PCR tests may give a general picture..however newer variants may be missed). CoViD rapid testing may look at three-four genes...A UK CoViD variant missed one of those genes...so hospital testing was able to (quite easy/low cost) detect the UK variant spread...
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https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/national-international-government-ngo-preparation-response/who-oms/1011510-who-multi-country-outbreak-of-mpox-external-situation-report-50-11-april-2025 or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/national-international-government-ngo-preparation-response/who-oms/1011510-who-multi-country-outbreak-of-mpox-external-situation-report-50-11-april-2025 ;
Overview

This is the 50th situation report for the multi-country outbreak of mpox, which provides details on the latest epidemiological trends, including an update on the epidemiological situation for mpox in Africa, with data as of 30 March 2025, updates on imported cases of mpox due to clade I MPXV as of 9 April 2025, and the operational response updates as of 4 April 2025. This report also presents an overview of mpox testing and test positivity in the country as well as an overview of the mpox vaccination in countries in the African Region.

DJ, With news on a Swiss Mpox clade llb case, UK llb-without travel history...

Lots of water spread/flooding diseases; cholera. malaria...
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-a-thru-h/childhood-diseases/1008697-south-africa-2025-diphtheria or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-a-thru-h/childhood-diseases/1008697-south-africa-2025-diphtheria 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphtheria or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphtheria a growing risk ? TB out of the (main) news...

Very likely lots of increasing risks -ignored- in non human hosts...

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North Carolina flu-related deaths at all-time high State health officials report more than 500 flu-related deaths

DJ, Here in NL flu epidemic is over...In the US "some parts of" H5N1 mixing in the types of flu that are spreading ? Low vaccination levels (for lots of diseases) also a factor...

https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/japan-first-report-of-equine-influenza.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/japan-first-report-of-equine-influenza.html ; Yesterday Japan's Light Horse Quarantine Council announced that country's first detection of equine (H3N8) influenza since 2008, affecting at least 3 horse breeding farms in Kumamoto Prefecture on the island of Kyūshū.  
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Over the past few years China has confirmed at least 3 H3N8 infections in humans, causing severe illness and at least 1 death. While these were due to avian (AIV) H3N8, this influenza subtype can also be found in Canines (CIV), Equines (EIV), and even marine mammals.

There are subtle, genetic differences between the AIVCIV, and EIV versions of this subtype, and while each pretty much stays in its own lane, spillovers have occurred. 

Originally, Canine H3N8 evolved directly from Equine H3N8, when it abruptly mutated enough to adapt to a canine host, and rapidly began to spread among greyhounds at a Florida race track in 2004 (see EID Journal article Influenza A Virus (H3N8) in Dogs with Respiratory Disease, Florida).

While equine H3N8 isn't typically thought as a zoonotic disease, it has been shown experimentally capable of infecting both pigs (see J.Virol.: Experimental Infectivity Of H3N8 In Swine) and cats (see Equine influenza A(H3N8) virus infection in cats).

In 2019, an EID JournaHistorical Review of Equine H3N8 warned:

Volume 25, Number 6—June 2019
Historical Review
Equine Influenza Virus—A Neglected, Reemergent Disease Threat 
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So, while the risks of human infection are believed to be very low - when we see outbreaks of H3N8 - we tend to pay attention. 
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The H3N8 subtype has undergone significant antigenic evolution, resulting in the emergence of distinct lineages, including Eurasian and American, with the Florida sublineage being particularly prevalent. Continuous genetic surveillance and regular updates to vaccine formulations are necessary to address antigenic drift and maintain vaccination efficacy.
Additionally, rare cross-species transmissions have raised concerns regarding the zoonotic potential of EIV. This review provides a comprehensive overview of the epidemiology, pathogenesis, and prevention of EI, emphasizing vaccination strategies and addressing the socio-economic consequences of the disease in regions where the equine industry is vital.

          (Continue . . . ) 

Horses, we learned last December, may also be susceptible to HPAI H5N1 infection (see EID Journal: Evidence of Influenza A(H5N1) Spillover Infections in Horses, Mongolia), while in 2018 - in Transbound Emerg Dis: Serological Evidence Of Canine H3N2 In Horses - China - we saw evidence that the avian-origin canine H3N2 virus was capable of infecting equines.
In 2016, in Epizootics, Host Ranges, and Conventional Wisdom we looked at the history of equine epizootics - including the panzootic of 1872 - and at a study (see A Review of Evidence that Equine Influenza Viruses Are Zoonotic) that argued that human EIV infections occasionally occur.

While H3N8 remains pretty far down our zoonotic worry list, novel viruses have a long history of coming at us from out of left field.  And given its continued evolution across multiple lineages (AIV, CIV, EIV), H3N8 is worthy of our attention.


DJ, And most risks may be in a mix of "human" flu types (H1N1/H3N2) with "non-human" types of flu...H1,H2 and H3 types of flu "do quite well" in humans-and lots of other species...

On top of that CoViD and measles is weakening human immunity protection...
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https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/emerg-microbes-inf-eurasian-1c-swine.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/emerg-microbes-inf-eurasian-1c-swine.html ;

In late April sixteen years ago - at at time when H5N1 was our biggest pandemic concern - the world was blindsided by a swine-origin H1N1 pandemic that began in Mexico, and quickly swept the globe. 

While milder than the three influenza pandemics that preceded it (1968, 1957, 1918), the CDC had this to say about its impact on a younger cohort in 2012's First Global Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Pandemic Mortality Released by CDC-Led Collaboration.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic Hits the Young Especially Hard

This study estimated that 80% of 2009 H1N1 deaths were in people younger than 65 years of age which differs from typical seasonal influenza epidemics during which 80-90% of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years of age and older.

Although the pandemic lasted barely a  year, it reinforced our concerns over the ability of swine-origin H1, H2, or H3 viruses to spillover into humans (see graphic above).  Since then we've seen more than 500 such spillovers in the United States alone. 

We've seen similar reports from Europe, South America and Asia, although surveillance of pigs and humans for swine flu (even in the United States and Europe) is extremely limited. 

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The ECDC maintains a Swine influenza Factsheet, which describes the introduction and spread of influenza viruses in European pigs.

Current influenza viruses in European pigs
Avian-like swine A(H1N1) influenza viruses (SIVs) of the subtypes A(H1N1), A(H3N2) and A(H1N2) are enzootic and widespread in swine producing regions of Western Europe. The first known introduction of human influenza virus into swine populations occurred after the Spanish flu in 1918 and this lineage was called ‘classical swine’ H1N1 (or lineage 1A). This lineage is still present in pigs in the Americas and Asia, but has not been detected in European pigs in the last two decades.

The first significant outbreak of an avian A(H1N1) influenza virus lineage occurred in 1979 and led to the establishment of an ‘avian-like’ A(H1N1) virus lineage in European pigs. This virus, referred to as Eurasian avian-like 1C lineage, rapidly established itself in Europe and has continued to circulate in swine until the present day.

Contemporary swine A(H3N2) influenza viruses in European pigs descend from early human influenza A(H3N2) pandemic strains, and have diverged substantially genetically and antigenically from contemporary human viruses. The A(H1N2) influenza viruses were established in Europe with the reassortment of swine A(H3N2) viruses and a human-seasonal A(H1N1) virus (H1huN2) and to date are still circulating among European pig populations.
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Essentially, while there are some crossovers, the reservoir of swine viruses differs around the world - and with the ability of influenza viruses to reassort - they continue  to evolve and diversify.  In addition to the 3 North American swine-variant viruses on the CDC's IRAT list, we continue to watch the evolution of China's EA H1N1 `G4' virus,  Brazil's H1N2v virus, and occasional spillovers of H1N1 in Europe. 

But the reality is, most of the world isn't even looking.  We could easily be blindsided again. 

All of which brings us to a cautionary research article, published yesterday in the journal Emerging Microbes & Infections, which find that the Eurasian 1C swine influenza virus (described above) has significant pandemic potential. 

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In Fall of 2021, multiple human cases of an H1N2 variant from clade 1C.2.4 were observed, including one in France. This was the first human detection of 1C.2.4 in France and represents an evolutionary expansion of 1C in the swine population. In this study, we utilize a decision tree (12) (Figure S1) to determine the pandemic potential of A/Bretagne/24241/2021, a 1C.2.4 variant virus (referred to herein as 1C H1N2v) through examination of viral phenotypic traits as well as interspecies and intraspecies transmission.

         (SNIP)


Conclusions

The endemic nature of swine H1 1C strains in the pig population in Europe and Asia and sporadic zoonotic events suggest a leaky barrier at the animal-human interface. Low levels of immunity against the virus in US and Asian populations and efficient inter- and intra-species transmission suggests a pandemic threat of 1C H1N2 viruses.

 Although prior immunity with H1N1pdm09 decreased disease severity it did not disrupt transmission of 1C H1N2v virus in ferrets, suggesting that H1 immunity in humans will not block airborne transmission. Taken together, risk assessment of 1C H1N2v virus would indicate that it is in the higher pandemic risk category and should be continued to be monitored for spillover into humans.

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While another H1Nx pandemic might not prove as severe as one from H5N1, we can't assume that it would be mild for everyone. After all, prior to SARS-CoV, MERS, and COVID all coronaviruses were considered `mild' and incapable of producing a pandemic.   

As any epidemiologist will tell you . . . If you've seen one pandemic, you've seen one pandemic

Swine H1, H2, and H3 viruses presumably have an easier time crossing the species barrier, and infecting humans, since they are already pre-adapted to a mammalian host.  And as we've discussed previously, all human pandemics going back to the late 1800s have stemmed from H1, H2, or H3 subtypes. 

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Although the public health risks are considered low, the CDC advises those who are at higher risk of serious flu complications (including children under 5, adults over 65, pregnant women, and those with certain chronic medical conditions), to avoid pigs and the swine barn altogether.


DJ, STOP eating pigs ! Decrease the number of farm animals to decrease pandemic risks !!!! Competition on prices of meat means the farms doing worse on disease prevention may "win"...but at the end YOU pay !!!!

And again-human immunity was able to limit flu risks...
-Aging is decreasing immunity protection...
-CoViD, Measles decrease human protection
-Anti-vax stupidity decreasing human protection...

The higher the level of immunity in humans the less chances for diseases...From an epidemiology point of view if only 25% of the population has immunity it may not even slow down a disease...

And CoViD does NOT exclude flu, flu not exclude CoViD...it increases the risks for all kinds of co-infections !
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DJ, My non-expert "big picture" view;

-Flu remains a major risk...the idea of "flu-season" may become "outdated" ...
-CoViD still around and developing...
-SARS-3/new CoViD variants are a growing risk and widespread in lots of bats/other animals (MERS is NOT over...just "limited")

Human (in)action is worsening the "global picture"....From aging (old people=weaker immunity) to anti-vax stupidity...

Lots of countries fail to even do basic testing...If a hospital patient test positive for one disease often testing stops-missing (possible) co-infections...that can spread further..And YES GOOD healthcare does cost money ! Bad healthcare costs more !!!

Like with climate collapse realizing how large the risks are has turned into denialism...NOT willing to know those risks...because governments have to react on that...

We keep failing to make climate, pandemics, the top priorities...

DJ, "case-case-cluster-cluster-boom" is one time line...Another is "pandemic, pandemic, multi pandemic, disease "X"...

There are trillions of potential diseases in "nature"....and we are increasing our chances for opening the doors for a disease humans NEVER did see before, with NO immunity and -potential- a high CFR/"kill ratio"...

Chances of a disease in bamboo becoming a risk for humans may be 0,00000001%...But if we "open the doors-invite diseases" some of those very unlikely diseases MAY find ways to get into humans...

The main reason why we do not see that coming is we do not want to see it coming...And that is a BAD choice !

(DJ-Again I am NOT any kind of "expert" just trying to make up my mind...In the hope not writing to much non-sense...)
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