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Topic: A new pandemicPosted By: Dutch Josh 2
Subject: A new pandemic
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 10:38pm
DJ, the west now is ruined/ruled by neo-fascist (calling themselves neo-conservatives/neo-liberals) that seem to welcome diseases killing the "old and weak"....Idiots like trump, meloni, macron, wilders simply do not understand-or care-how pandemics may kill younger healthier population...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense_%28molecular_biology%29#RNA_sense_in_viruses - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense_(molecular_biology)#RNA_sense_in_viruses or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense_(molecular_biology)#RNA_sense_in_viruses ;
Negative-sense (3′-to-5′) viral RNA is complementary to the viral mRNA, thus a positive-sense RNA must be produced by an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA-dependent_RNA_polymerase - RNA-dependent RNA polymerase from it prior to translation. Like DNA, negative-sense RNA has a nucleotide sequence complementary to the mRNA that it encodes; also like DNA, this RNA cannot be translated into protein directly. Instead, it must first be transcribed into a positive-sense RNA that acts as an mRNA. Some viruses (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza - influenza viruses) have negative-sense genomes and so must carry an RNA polymerase inside the virion.
DJ, H5N1 is a "negative-sense" RNA virus...CoViD is a "positive-sense" RNA virus...
I am NOT any kind of expert...but if negative sense RNA virusses-like flu-need positive sense RNA "partners" (like CoViD)...can "Flu-Rona" become one disease ?
A flu-virus co-spreading "that close" to CoViD -that catching one of them "invites the other"?
DJ-I am NOT any kind of expert...just trying to get a basic understanding (and not to write to much non-sense...) .
Replies: Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 10:49pm
As the increased threat of H5N1 hits the news, I’m reupping my piece about how govt propaganda threw public health itself under the bus in order to normalize recurrent COVID infections.
link; https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/institutional-covid-denial-has-killed - https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/institutional-covid-denial-has-killed or https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/institutional-covid-denial-has-killed ;
Institutional COVID denial has killed public health as we knew it. Prepare to lose several centuries of progress.
Public health cannot be individualized. Abandoning collective approaches to disease mitigation is a recipe for disaster.
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If you live in a rich country, you’re probably not going to get cholera from your drinking water. The state accepts the responsibility of waterborne disease elimination as an obvious duty of governance, and the state and the collective then benefit from a healthier population, more able to participate in the economy and work.
Let’s say tomorrow the US government decided to stop cleaning our water supply. President Joe Biden or one of his minions gets on TV and says “cholera has been defeated, it’s over, and we need to get back to normal. We can’t live in fear of cholera forever- we need to live our lives!” Massive cholera outbreaks ensue, and people are quietly told they can (pay out of pocket) for private water filtration systems. Those who do pay this burdensome individual tax are told they are living in fear and mocked by those who do not. People with cholera are pushed by their employers to come to work anyway, and CDC guidance reduces cholera isolation to one day, whether or not you’re still symptomatic or infectious.
DJ, "living with the virus" -when Corona-virusses are known to be impossible to control in farm outbreaks- is (bojo-like) stupidity...
H5-types of flu are increasing high speed-in all kinds of hosts(animals) worldwide...Not "only" H5N1, also H5N5, H5N6, H5N8...Certainly in mammals also CoViD-variants by now are widespread...
Some species get very ill from H5 and/or CoViD...others do NOT get ill...simply spread diseases without any symptomes themselves...
If you-for "political reasons" give up on public health you are opening the doors to a new pandemic...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 11:02pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics_and_pandemics#Major_epidemics_and_pandemics - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics_and_pandemics#Major_epidemics_and_pandemics or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics_and_pandemics#Major_epidemics_and_pandemics
DJ-The Spanish Flu/H1N1 may have killed up to 5% of the global population between 1917-1923...from a history perspective this was a "mild pandemic"....
In the list-in the link some pandemics may have killed 60-80% of a population (Roman Empire, Mexico, Japan...)
In the "pandemic triangle" you need a disease (D)-a host (H) and transport (T) to get the disease into the host;
D - H
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It becomes a triangle because a host is spreading the disease/transport...
-Compared to historical pandemics "things did change";
The number of hosts, speed of transport did increase....There may be 4-5 times as many people in 2024 then there were in 1917-1923 the last "real" pandemic...
Both CoViD and HIV/AIDS may have killed tens-of-millions, however the global human population is 8,2 billion...So if CoViD would have killed 40 million it would <0,5% of the global population...
The ruling fascist political order puts the economy above those "old and weak"..."just let them die..."
Also "catching the disease creates immunity"...may work for most types of flu...it does NOT work that way for CoViD !
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 11:17pm
To continue with https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/institutional-covid-denial-has-killed - https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/institutional-covid-denial-has-killed or https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/institutional-covid-denial-has-killed ;
We can’t talk about how we got to total state abandonment on COVID without discussing the https://www.levernews.com/how-the-koch-network-hijacked-the-war-on-covid/ - billions of dollars that went into disinformation campaigns , pushing people to think of public health as an individual responsibility. Sure, liberals were easily able to call out Trump-era minimizing and their subsequent anti-vaccination rhetoric.
But what about the mild-mannered TV news-platformed “experts” and unqualified reporters who continually pushed lines like “personal risk tolerance”, “you do you,” “back to normal,” “we have to live life,” “only vulnerable people are at risk,” and that old chestnut, “we can’t live in fear”? (I truly can’t overstate how much demanding clean air and clean water is not “living in fear” but simply expecting the bare minimum of a democratic society to which we pay taxes and refusing to be a bootlicker for billionaire talking points.)
DJ, the next pandemic is a political choice...(not even the outcome of "bad decissions"-when you give up on spending enough on GOOD public health-because the only thing that maaters is profit-you decide to accept next pandemics...for very wrong reasons...).
"Getting rid of a burden to society" is genocide by pandemic.
The Spanish Flu did kill a lot of young people-with strong immunity reactions...because if co-infection with other diseases did not kill them their over-recation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm did kill a lot of them...
Older people may NOT have such a strong immunity any longer...but fascists politicians do hate facts/science...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 11:25pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Health - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Health or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Health ;
One Health is an approach calling for "the collaborative efforts of multiple disciplines working locally, nationally, and globally, to attain optimal health for people, animals and our environment", as defined by the One Health Initiative Task Force (OHITF). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Health#cite_note-2 - It developed in response to evidence of the spreading of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonotic_diseases - zoonotic diseases between species and increasing awareness of "the interdependence of human and animal health and ecological change". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Health#cite_note-Riley-3 - : 205 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Health#cite_note-Bird-4 -
In this viewpoint, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health - public health is no longer seen in purely human terms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Health#cite_note-Rabinowitz-5 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Health#cite_note-6 -
Due to a shared environment and highly conserved physiology, animals and humans not only suffer from the same zoonotic diseases but can also be treated by either structurally related or identical drugs. For this reason, special care must be taken to avoid unnecessary or over-treatment of zoonotic diseases, particularly in the context of drug resistance in infectious microbes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Health#cite_note-7 -
ANY DISEASE IN AN ANIMAL CAN BECOME A HUMAN RISK !!!!!
But "economy/profits first/only" is ignoring tens of millions of animals with CoViD, flu or a combination of both...Both CoViD and flu are NOT ONLY a human health issue...
The basic idea/science behind "One Health" is the realization that what happens in one species may affect other species...
DJ...but again..."science is in the way of profits"...profits=donors for "politics for sale"...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 11:32pm
https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/institutional-covid-denial-has-killed - https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/institutional-covid-denial-has-killed or https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/institutional-covid-denial-has-killed ;
Imagine describing an unprecedented attack on and dismantling of public transit resources and a leftist telling you, “yeah, but what can we do? People can always buy a car.” That’s the situation we find ourselves in with COVID- not only are we not winning, we aren’t even fighting. Not only are we not protecting people, we aren’t even outraged. To engage with the reality of this crisis, we need to understand how adopting an individualist approach to public health is destroying decades of labor activism, human rights progress, and hard-won protections.
The history of public health in this country and around the world is the history of disease eradication, mitigation, suppression, and prevention. The name of the public health body currently pushing “you do you” as a strategy is the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, for God’s sake.
It’s not the Center for Diseases Are Fine and Go About Your Day. It was initially founded in 1946 as the Communicable Disease Center with a mandate to eliminate malaria. Not ignore. Not “learn to live with.” Eliminate. A word that, four years into the disaster capitalist response that took neoliberal abandonment to new heights, cannot even be uttered aloud anymore.
DJ, everything "public" is presented as "bad"...tax-funded..."a burden to the rich donor-class"....
Public education was seen as a way to push forward a country..in the interest of ALL of us !
Somehow we returned to a 19th century view of "good education for a small elite" ....in a complex society that choice-in itself-is insane...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 11:37pm
For several years, when minimizers downplayed consistent findings of post-COVID immune damage, they stated that were we experiencing large-scale immune dysfunction, we’d expect to see https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/invasive-fungal-infections-a-growing-risk-to-human-health-worldwide/ar-BB1h8Oag - spiking fungal infections , https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/strep-surge-while-flu-has-peaked-out-alberta-health-care-workers-face-new-challenge-as-they-see-record-numbers-of-throat-illness - spiking bacterial infections , https://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/01/12/surging-into-2024-covid-flu-and-rsv-continue-to-climb-in-minnesota - worsening viral outbreaks , https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/health/mycoplasma-pneumonia-deadly-infection-on-the-rise-in-children/news-story/2d373b67d19e512d31c798575d79e47b - pneumonias and https://kdvr.com/video/denver-health-tuberculosis-cases-spike-in-the-u-s/9232299/ - other opportunistic infections. We are now seeing all of these effects internationally, yet minimizers continue to turn a blind eye and the press continues to push “your kid wore masks in 2020” as the explanation.
We are even beginning to see large resurgences of previously-eliminated-in-rich-countries viruses like measles. Lack of vaccination is a culprit; so is normalizing sending sick kids to schools, telling parents kids need to get sick to be healthy, denying people paid sick leave, and kicking kids’ immune systems in the teeth multiple times a year.
DJ...immunity damage after CoViD may still not be fully understood...however statistics for lots of other diseases go up...From TB to measles...There may be CoViD links to types of cancer...
Besides that often the CoViD-corona virus does "stay behind" in organs of the host...Can get reactivated/triggered (for instance by catching the flu...) .
Unless we change course urgently- unless we fight back against the normalization of constant illness and the individualization of a critical public good- we are going to see a long, slow, across-the-board decline in health and life expectancy amid increasingly uncontrollable disease outbreaks and overwhelmed hospital systems. I haven’t even gotten into the damage COVID does to blood vessels, kidneys, livers, brains, and hearts, how it can trigger autoimmune diseases and reactivate latent pathogens; all of that information can be found elsewhere on this site. But the reality is that our kids will be continually reinfected with COVID while navigating the return of measles and other vaccine-controlled diseases, while being told there is zero technology that can protect them and zero reason to protect them, while contracting flu and RSV more frequently and with worse severity.
This is not 1824. It is 2024. We have the technology and knowledge to mitigate disease spread. Let’s fight for a future that is safer, better, and healthier than the world we grew up in, rather than sicker, crueler, and technologically regressed. If we don’t face reality and understand what we’re sacrificing right now, the next generation certainly will.
DJ, Maybe in 1824 people realized the very real risks of pandemics...It seems "no one cares" any longer in 2024...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 11:42pm
DJ, So if "Flu-Rona" most likely will become the/a next pandemic-how bad can it get ?
The "welcome" effect of catching a flu is it results in immunity against that flu-after infection-in a healthy host....
CoViD however weakens/destroys immunity...so with a bit of bad luck one may NOT get (much) immunity protection against (simillar types of) flu.....And again-by now-we may see already different types of flu developing in species around the world...
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There may be-by now-over 1 million CoViD-19/SARS-2 variants...
The potential number of hosts for CoViD and Flu may run in the hundreds of billions...from mice to camels...
I do not even start SARS-3...CoViD-24...By now CoViD may have developed so many sub-types/variants we may already be dealing with "SARS-3"...SARS-4 etc...
We have "given up" on science-to "maximize profits" but are destroying the planet by doing so...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2024 at 1:57am
DJ, there are several mechanisms to stop/slow down pandemics;
-Science, public healthcare, a good sewage system, hygiene may have made the difference between high number of people (most children) dying from disease in the 19th century and the -sometimes doubled life expectency- (in western countries) in the (late) 20th century...
-Some diseases-like flu-are "self limiting. One gets immunity..so a disease can not infect a second time...Some diseases kill the host fast enough to limit spread...
-The problem however is getting bigger when healthcare runs out of capacity (by defunding it-or to much demand).
A "new pandemic" could NOT be limited by -defunded- public healthcare, "herd/group" immunity or running out of potential hosts...
One of the problems in a pandemic discussion may be "wishfull thinking". The idea "a pandemic will do limited damage" "only kill the old and weak" is unrealistic...
Pandemics still can kill a lot of its hosts...since diseases by now did spread to many species. Viruses need hosts for reproduction...but "losing human hosts" may not be a problem for a virus(mix)...it however may end humans...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2024 at 10:27pm
The current Covid wave in England continues to slowly decrease, but the risk of meeting an infected person in your everyday life remains High. Covid infection levels in England have fallen to around 1 in every 154 people infected as of 10 November.
DJ... https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/canada-bc-health-authority-updates-h5.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/canada-bc-health-authority-updates-h5.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/canada-bc-health-authority-updates-h5.html
Lots of questions on the -very serious- Canade H5 infection in a teenager.
- Is it H5N1 or maybe H5N2 ?
-How did he get it ?
-Did he have a CoViD history/co-infection (is it being tested) ?
DJ-A dog he had contact with some symptoms but tested negative.
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/960736-avian-flu-h5n1-discussion-news-case-lists-links-2022?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/960736-avian-flu-h5n1-discussion-news-case-lists-links-2022?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/960736-avian-flu-h5n1-discussion-news-case-lists-links-2022?view=stream ...
My view; In this B.C./Canada case testing for the type of "bird"flu (H5N1 or H5N2 or ?) is taking time but expected to give some result...
However lots of spread of both flu and CoViD in mammals (including humans) may be missed...The main reason "governments do not want to know/bad for profits"....
On top of that testing may become harder...Say one finds a CoViD-variant...is unable to detect a flu-type...But the detected CoViD-variant in general is believed to bring only "mild" symptoms (in the age group) ...
Prior exposure to (H1N1/H3N2) flu offers (some) protection-it looks like-against (some) H5N1 (H5N2 etc.) variants...So younger people may develop more serious illness/die...
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Flu season just started...CoVid testing -even in sewage- may not provide all the info needed to get a realistic view...(some variants are missed in the testing ???)
Both flu and CoViD keeps spreading and developing new variants/mutations...Co-infection in mammals/humans "Flu-Rona" will be happening on a limited scale...
DJ-My NON EXPERT (!!!!) view; co-spread is benefitting both virusses...one infection opening the door for the other virus...
In general this most likely means a higher (total) viral load (both flu and CoViD-virus) so more disease...Since the respitory system is the main route into the body (upper/lower) respitory infections will increase...A throat infection may be "bad" a lung-infection can kill..
The respitory system is only a first route...the virus-combi may show up all over the body as "co-workers"...if one virus is stopped the other virus may find a way around the "stop" (immunity)...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2024 at 2:34am
DJ, both in "wars" and "climate" one can see a political western elite very creative in denying/ignoring/down playing reality...The level of lies and hatred is shocking...it is NOT solving anything-only making matters worse...
The same bunch of idiots are against "criminal" masks covering nose/mouth...CoViD-Flu by definition "always will be mild"...even if excess deaths indicate otherwise...
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/canada-phac-confirms-hpai-h5n1-genotype.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/canada-phac-confirms-hpai-h5n1-genotype.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/canada-phac-confirms-hpai-h5n1-genotype.html ;
We now have the answer to at least 2 of our questions regarding the H5 virus infection in a teenager from British Columbia; according to a statement from the PHAC https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/canada/h5n1-tracking-ag/british-columbia-aa/1000092-canada-british-columbia-health-statement-first-presumptive-positive-human-case-of-h5-avian-influenza-detected-in-b-c-confirming-test-pending-november-9-2024 - (h/t FluTrackers) the subtype has been confirmed to be H5N1 and the genotype is D1.1.
Genotype D1.1 first showed up last month in Washington State, and is responsible for the https://doh.wa.gov/you-and-your-family/illness-and-disease-z/avian-influenza - infection of 14 poultry workers who were involved in culling. A similar genotype - D1.2 - appeared last month in poultry, and 2 pigs in Oregon.
These genotypes are genetically distinct from the B3.13 genotype which is found in cattle, and has turned up in some adjacent poultry infections. It has been widely assumed that genotype D1.1 or D1.2 was behind the recent spike of poultry outbreaks in British Columbia, which this statement confirms.
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There have been no further cases identified at this time. The investigation has not yet determined how the individual became infected with avian influenza.
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While a lot of attention has been focused on the B3.13 genotype affecting cattle, it is just one of https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.05.01.591751v1.full.pdf - more than 100 genotypesof HPAI H5N1 clade 2.3.4.4b detected in North America since late 2021, and any one of them (and future iterations that may emerge) has the potential to evolve into a public health concern.
Influenza's superpower is its ability to continually reinvent itself though reassortment, and that means that even if we mange to eradicate it in cattle, the problem won't have vanished.
Which is why, nearly 3 decades after it first appeared in Hong Kong, HPAI H5 continues to pose a credible threat.
DJ, what variant of CoViD could "work best" with H5-types of flu ? Young people may not have had flu-so no immunity against it...But may have (had) CoViD-weakening the immunity...So once they get any type of flu a lower viral load may bring more disease...
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe/h5n1-tracking/germany/983787-germany-h5n1-avian-flu-in-wild-birds-2024?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe/h5n1-tracking/germany/983787-germany-h5n1-avian-flu-in-wild-birds-2024?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe/h5n1-tracking/germany/983787-germany-h5n1-avian-flu-in-wild-birds-2024?view=stream ...
We do see human H5 infections in both the US/Canada and "East Asia" China, Cambodia...
When -not if-we will see an increase of H5 spread in Europe ? It must be just a matter of time...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2024 at 11:34pm
This mutation in NA of human https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 is well known to assoc w/ drug resistance to oseltamivir. It should be a clear trigger to immediately diversify SNS holdings. Fewer than 1M doses of baloxavir held, w/ 12+ mo lead to make more.
Did mutation appear pre or post oseltamivir treatment? Is this NA mutation also in https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 from pigs & from human case in Canada? Glad baloxavir & IV antivirals were available for Canada, timing is a factor on their effectiveness.
Urgently need to surveillance, SNS drug diversity, data for combo therapy, & data sharing lag
DJ, trump did get a kennedy to destroy US healthcare...
Unfriendly reminder that vaccines are not meant to cure covid - no one ever said that. Vaccines are and have always been just one layer of mitigation. They work really well in tandem with, say, masking combined with social distancing.
DJ, the west more and more run by fascists is criminalizing masks...
DJ-Most of the world does see "Big Pharma" as strategic-keep it state-owned or state-controlled...Neo-liberal insanity has big pharma for profits (only)...
The main reason why CoViD, H5-flu is out of control is we do not want control...We deny the problems..vote for idiots that lie...
If you do not stop CoViD, Flu etc. it may get worse...it is a choice... https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/usda-number-of-confirmed-h5-infected.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/usda-number-of-confirmed-h5-infected.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/usda-number-of-confirmed-h5-infected.html ...since there is very limited testing...maybe over 50% of US cattle farms have H5N1 ? Widespread in poultry...maybe even pigs ? But do not test ! Insanity rules...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2024 at 12:57am
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/cdc-update-h5-case-list-n52-oregon.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/cdc-update-h5-case-list-n52-oregon.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/cdc-update-h5-case-list-n52-oregon.html ;
The CDC updated their https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/index.html - H5 case list late this afternoon adding 6 more cases (5 from California & the 1st case reported by Oregon). They cite 4 other cases that tested positively at the state level, that they were unable to confirm.
From the Oregon Health Authority we get a press release describing their first case as linked to a large poultry outbreak in Clackamas county (see USDA listing below), which was reported on October 24th, but according to the https://wahis.woah.org/#/in-review/4309?reportId=170013&fromPage=event-dashboard-url - WOAH report began on Oct 21st.
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The lack of details (such as symptoms, onset date, etc.) and the belated reporting are disappointing, but have become all too common during this outbreak.
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/california-raises-h5-case-count-to-26.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/california-raises-h5-case-count-to-26.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/california-raises-h5-case-count-to-26.html ;
Earlier today we looked at a report from https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/california-madera-county-public-health.html - Madera County Public Health announcing 2 more California H5 cases (1 confirmed, 1 presumptive positive). This afternoon the California Public DPH https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/Bird-Flu.aspx - posted the above update , adding 5 new cases to their tally, which previously sat at 21 (+1 probable).
Since none of the states are providing any date or location information (aka, an epidemiological line list), it is difficult to know if today's state announcement includes (one or both) of the Madera county cases.
Since these numbers are continually increasing, and are unlikely to represent the true number of cases in the community, the point may be moot.
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/seattle-woodland-park-zoo-reports.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/seattle-woodland-park-zoo-reports.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/seattle-woodland-park-zoo-reports.html
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https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/991361-us-h5n1-human-case-list?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/991361-us-h5n1-human-case-list?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/991361-us-h5n1-human-case-list?view=stream ;Per Source Illinois health officials are about to report the first case of H5N1 bird flu in the state. The individual is reported to be between age of 40 to 50 years old and has not had any contact with livestock. Developing story….. https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 https://x.com/hashtag/BirdFlu?src=hashtag_click - #BirdFlu
https://x.com/AlphonsusOlieh/status/1857639117380575250 - 11:17 PM · Nov 15, 2024
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Our list in same format as CDC (see post #1 on this thread):
Missouri - 2, unknown source - CDC only counts 1 of these cases
Oregon - 1
Texas - 3, all cattle, CDC only counts 1 of these cases. 2 other cases are cited in a research paper. It is possible one of the cases in the paper is the same case acknowledged by the CDC. Without a real CDC line list it is impossible to know with certainty.
Washington - 14, all poultry contact
Total = 66
* We have to combine the states of Colorado and Michigan because the CDC did not give a state breakdown of the 8 sero positive cases.
DJ, with Hawaii now also detecting H5N1;
Bird flu confirmed in backyard flock of birds in Central Oahu
Posted: Nov 15, 2024 / 06:15 PM HST
Updated: Nov 15, 2024 / 06:31 PM HST
HONOLULU (KHON2) — Pathogenic avian influenza was confirmed in a backyard flock of various birds in Central Oahu. A report submitted to the Hawaii Department of Agriculture showed at least 10 birds were dead on a property “within the area served by the Wahiawa Wastewater Treatment Plant.”
The dead birds included ducks, a good and a zebra dove. After conducting necropsies and collecting samples, the Department of Health confirmed the animals were positive for avian flu….
DJ...I "would love to believe" wild birds did bring H5N1 to Hawaii....an alternative is infected "goods" (litter, birds ? cattle ????) were moved from the US to its colony Hawaii...
NO history on CoViD links given ( or even tested for....)
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2024 at 1:05am
2/ Closer views of GISAID subsampled https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 trees w/seq from BC's human case
NOTE: "X" = undetermined & usually indicates mixed AAs at that position
PB2 E627X – important b/c E627K confers mammalian adaptation
Also in HA – E202X, G238X – both cld be significant
(more soon)
Very important to watch closely. Also to get info on when the virus sample was collected from the teen. Was the virus adapting before or after they got infected?
These are crucial markers of human adaptation that we’ve been concerned about with https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 . Hope this can be cleared up quickly.
UPDATE: U.S. reports 6 human cases of H5N1 bird flu, including 5 in California and 1 in Oregon.
This raises the number of cases reported in just 2 months to 43
reports 1st human case of https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 in OR:
– Case linked to poultry outbrk in large Clackamas Co commercial flock, 150K birds
– Mild illness, fully recovered
– Rx w/antivirals
– Household contacts Rxed oseltamivir PEP
Brings natl total to 52 cases 7 states
US - The CDC lists 52 human https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 cases while we list 66. See here for the comparison. Scroll down. https://t.co/Rb8MEpLkLt - h/t The Entire FluTrackers Team
DJ,
https://x.com/RickABright -
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2024 at 1:13am
https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/ - https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/ or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/ trying to follow the US H5N1 story (with 1 confirmed Canada case so far) ....
Real number of US cases of H5N1 likely in the hundreds...
Outside the US H5N1 in humans must be around...Infected US cattle ended up in Mexico (from Texas-also from California ?) Farm workers come from central America and are deported back if ill...Also raw milk (egg) consumption may spread H5N1...
DJ-I do not have any doubt previous CoViD infections-damaging immunity-will be a factor...
This H5N1 story should be top-of-the-news...but is not !
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2024 at 1:51am
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/flutrackers-high-pathogenic-h5n1-h1n08-h5n8-h5n6-h5n3-tracking-outbreaks-spread/749462-flutrackers-2016-global-h5n1-human-cases-list?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/flutrackers-high-pathogenic-h5n1-h1n08-h5n8-h5n6-h5n3-tracking-outbreaks-spread/749462-flutrackers-2016-global-h5n1-human-cases-list?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/flutrackers-high-pathogenic-h5n1-h1n08-h5n8-h5n6-h5n3-tracking-outbreaks-spread/749462-flutrackers-2016-global-h5n1-human-cases-list?view=stream
DJ-Trying to get a basic idea of spread of human H5N1 cases...in the flu-tracker list the US now has 66 (or 67) human cases...
So...is H5N1 the "next pandemic"? NO ! Most likely decrease of immunity after CoViD may be the -more hidden- pandemic.
H5N1 is only one of many diseases getting much more chances...
https://x.com/CCSDMaskUp - https://x.com/RolandBakerIII - and
https://x.com/woodlandparkzoo -
1/ Sampling of wild birds & Fraser Valley wetlands sediment show *lots* of https://x.com/hashtag/H5?src=hashtag_click - #H5 detections beginning in Oct which is indication of the amount of virus likely being carried south w/wild bird migration along the Pacific Flyway.
Unfortunate for this goose, but not surprising
https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1
It's Friday, and I'm posting about https://x.com/hashtag/flu?src=hashtag_click - #flu on Bluesky. Please look for my update at
https://x.com/HelenBranswell - @helenbranswell
.bsky.social.
DJ, since main stream media is ignoring the news, twitter/X -elon musk- is "political"...(YouTube also a lot of censorship)...and "kennedy" against vaccines and masks "we live in interesting times"...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2024 at 8:47pm
My non expert view;
-H5 types of flu had over 30 years to develop
-CoViD undermined immunity
-Result is H5-types of flu did get more chances
-Both CoViD and H5-flu (H5N1, H5N6, H5N8...H5N5 also showing up now) found in lots of species
DJ-In the US H5N1 (poultry litter to cattle-cattle litter to poultry) did get a "human boost". a lot of farmworkers do not have any medical care-no vaccinations. They however were/are in CoViD high risk groups.
So H5N1 jumping into humans with no vaccine protection and CoViD immunity damage should not be a surprise.
The US for a developed country-certainly in some states-has low level of CoViD vaccination. So-with a lot of deregulation on what to feed farm animals (litter) and a large internal-open-market the risks for a high number of human H5N1 infections may be explained.
There are -for now- very limited (anecdotal) claims of human-to-human spread. However mammal-to-mammal (cattle, sea-mammals, pigs ???) is likely/proven. That is just a matter of time-it is on its way to human-to-human spread. The Canada/B.C. case indicating it can also be a more serious disease-a killer.
SE Asia had a different type/variant of H5N1. I did read there may already be a 100 different variants of H5N1. It will spread/mix with other types of flu. Co-infect with CoViD.
Best available tools are good info, PPE, reduction of meat production. Increased testing in all kind of animals-sequencing the detected viruses is urgent. Increase of vaccination may limit damage.
For both climate and pandemics political fools do not help....so it will be "learning the hard way"...The Spanish Flu may have killed up to 5% of the global population. With 8,2 billion people that would be 400 million these days...
Further back in history the plague/"black death" could kill "a lot"-up to 100% in some areas...The CoViD immunity damage may give room to TB, measles etc. lots of diseases we hardly knew existed...so H5N1 is "just one of the problems"-the just started pandemic is an outcome of CoViD, may include much more then "only" H5N1...
The "killing potential" must be very large. The backgrounds of climate collapse and wars limit capacity for recovery...
Spaceship Earth sending out a mayday...
Just my non-expert view...black coffee is supposed to offer protection...
DJ, So H5N1 is NOT the new pandemic-immunity damage from 5 y/o CoViD is...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2024 at 11:49pm
Last year, I wrote this long thread on vaccines and autism, and why vaccines DO NOT cause autism.
This is more pertinent than ever, now that https://x.com/hashtag/RFKJr?src=hashtag_click - #RFKJr is being suggested as a health minister of sorts in the States.
As an autistic adult, I've been fighting against this misinformation for many years. The idea that vaccines cause autism, and therefore ASD is damage that needs to be fixed, avoided; that autistic people are broken and dysfunctional is dangerous to us. It justifies cruel, abusive methods to 'cure' us.
DJ, stupidity is not a new pandemic...stupid people ending up in "high places" however is "sick"....
Why not vaccinate people at high occupational risk of exposure/infection. https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine is
https://x.com/US_FDA - @US_FDA
licensed in U.S. for this purpose.
https://x.com/CDCFlu - @CDCFlu
https://x.com/CDCgov - @CDCgov
says match is great for current virus.
https://x.com/ASPRgov - @ASPRgov
https://x.com/BARDA - @BARDA
have millions doses ready.
https://x.com/Cal_HHS - @Cal_HHS
https://x.com/GavinNewsom - @GavinNewsom
DJ, If you want to vaccinate high risk groups it would be welcome to test more farm animals...to find out what groups are high risks (and if they have a legal status in the US or "used and dumped" after infection...
It may be cheaper to exploit a Central American farm worker then to use vaccines...Like during the CoViD healthcrisis "politics" rather imported HCW-ers than increase (very low) salaries...
https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 virus can be lethal. Imp to surveillance in people & animals; accelerate diversification of stockpiled flu antivirals, update vaccines, make testing for H5 available in homes, clinics, pharmacies.
Central to all, is rapid, full transparency by govt agencies; critical for global readiness & public trust.
DJ-again-H5N1, Mpox has to be related to CoViD-immunity damage...NOT looking for what CoViD infections do to immunity is "unwise"...it will bring in lots of (new) diseases...
We are only AT THE START of a very major pandemic...in history major pandemics did take "a long time"...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2024 at 12:26am
link https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vnlpep7ljo - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vnlpep7ljo or https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vnlpep7ljo ;
A bird flu outbreak has been confirmed at a commercial poultry farm in Cornwall.
The government said all poultry on the infected premises - near Rosudgeon, near Marazion - would be humanely culled and a 3km (1.9 mile) protection zone and 10km (6.2 mile) surveillance zone had been put in place.
It said this was the first case of highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI) H5N1 - the major strain - this season.
The https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvzj2dmm87o - H5N5 strain was detected on a farm in the East Riding of Yorkshire earlier this month.
They follow the detection of HPAI, H5N5 and H5N1 in birds kept in the wild in England.
- https://www.gld.nl/nieuws/8233459/vogelgriep-uitgebroken-in-putten-23000-kippen-geruimd - https://www.gld.nl/nieuws/8233459/vogelgriep-uitgebroken-in-putten-23000-kippen-geruimd or https://www.gld.nl/nieuws/8233459/vogelgriep-uitgebroken-in-putten-23000-kippen-geruimd ; Bird flu has been detected at an organic laying hen farm in Putten. The approximately 23,000 chickens are slaughtered.
It is the first outbreak since December last year. "We knew that this would happen sooner or later, but it is still drastic. I can imagine that this is a serious blow to the poultry farmer concerned. We are taking appropriate measures and are keeping a close eye on the situation," said Minister Wiersma of Agriculture.
23,000 chickens culled
To prevent the spread of the virus, the 23,000 chickens on the farm are being slaughtered. This is done by the Dutch Food and Consumer Product Safety Authority.
DJ, A.o. also Korea reporting H5 outbreak in farm birds/poultry. Migratory birds are believed to spread H5 types of flu...no doubt mammals eating dead infected animals will catch H5-may spread it...Mixing it with lots of other diseases...
CoViD also must be widespread in lots of mammals around the globe...Flu and CoViD may "start working together"...co-spread/co-infect...
Since CoViD undermines immunity lots of other diseases get more room...
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Increase of testing could provide info on where what (mix of) virus(es) is spreading...so we at least may get a basic idea...By now it is getty quite an impossible job...
Vaccines (against CoViD, Flu) may still offer some protection-for now-but the new "mixes" may evade immunity...(even the natural post H1N1/H3N2 immunity in older people)...
If you ignore risks risks will bite you...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2024 at 12:46pm
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/california-dept-public-health.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/california-dept-public-health.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/california-dept-public-health.html ;
While it hasn't appeared on the https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/News-Releases-2024.aspx - California PHD website yet , that agency emailed the following statement out shortly before noon EST today. It described a presumed positive H5 case in a child in Alameda County with mild respiratory symptoms.
Samples have been sent to the CDC for confirmation. Thus far the CDC has not offered a statement.
Note: The subtype is not mentioned in this statement, but I'm assuming it is H5.
Family Members Tested Negative
No person-to-person spread of the virus has been detected or is suspected. Due to mild respiratory symptoms, all close family members of the child were tested – and all are negative for bird flu and not suspected of having the virus at all.
The rapid spread of https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 & the escalation of risk to life & economy could’ve been prevented. It’s sad, but true.
That said, we can still stop it, but only if we act swiftly & decisively. We know what to do, but need strong leadership, coordination, collaboration, & funding.
We’re watching a pandemic being born.
Over 30% of California’s dairy herds are confirmed infected.
That’s not a warning.
It’s a ticking bomb.
Every herd is a mutation factory, every mutation a step closer to humans.
A deadly new pandemic is quietly starting.
At first, it’s hard to notice, like a small seed being planted. But little by little, it grows into something bigger and harder to stop.
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https://www.gld.nl/nieuws/8234039/nu-ook-uitbraak-vogelgriep-net-over-de-grens-in-duitsland - https://www.gld.nl/nieuws/8234039/nu-ook-uitbraak-vogelgriep-net-over-de-grens-in-duitsland or https://www.gld.nl/nieuws/8234039/nu-ook-uitbraak-vogelgriep-net-over-de-grens-in-duitsland ;
KLEVE - Agricultural organization LTO-Nederland reports on Tuesday afternoon that a bird flu outbreak has been detected just across the border in Kleve, Germany. Nearly 16,000 animals from a German poultry farm will have to be culled.
Yesterday it was announced that there was a bird flu outbreak in Putten. There, 23,000 chickens are slaughtered.
DJ, NL was almost a year without detecting cases of H5N1.
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2024 at 10:18pm
Zero Hedge/Epoch Times publish a lot of anti-science...sometimes however;
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/link-between-blood-types-and-risks-covid-19-cancer-and-other-diseases - https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/link-between-blood-types-and-risks-covid-19-cancer-and-other-diseases or https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/link-between-blood-types-and-risks-covid-19-cancer-and-other-diseases ;
Blood types play a crucial role not only in ensuring safe blood transfusions but also in influencing various health risks. Numerous studies suggest that genetically determined blood types may increase susceptibility to both infectious and non-infectious diseases, including COVID-19, heart disease, and allergies.
Blood is categorized into four main types—A, B, AB, or O—based on the types of antigens present on the surface of red blood cells. Antigens are proteins found on red blood cells that trigger an immune response when encountering unfamiliar substances, such as certain bacteria, Dr. Douglas Eric Guggenheim, a physician at the Abramson Cancer Center at the University of Pennsylvania Hospital, https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/blogs/health-and-wellness/2019/april/blood-types - explained in a 2020 Penn Medicine article.
Increased Risk of Viral Infections
A https://ashpublications.org/blood/article/142/8/742/496471/Blood-group-A-enhances-SARS-CoV-2-infection - 2023 study from Harvard Medical School, published in the journal Blood, found that the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, preferentially targets type A blood cells.
“We show that the part of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein that’s key to enabling the virus to invade cells displays affinity for blood group A cells, and the virus in turn also shows a preferential ability to infect blood group A cells,” Dr. Sean R. Stowell, of Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women’s Hospital, said in a https://www.hematology.org/newsroom/press-releases/2023/study-uncovers-direct-link-between-blood-group-a-and-a-higher-risk-for-covid-19-infection - press release .
Type A blood cells are more susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection than type O blood cells, Stowell noted. “Among a group of several thousand people, some studies suggest that those with blood group A may be 20 percent more likely to be infected after exposure to SARS-CoV-2 compared with those who have blood group O.” Subsequent experiments indicated that the Omicron variant demonstrated an even stronger preference for infecting type A blood cells than the original virus.
Other recent studies have explored the mechanisms linking blood type to susceptibility to SARS-CoV-2. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37425304/ - One study showed that levels of ACE2 protein, the receptor that the virus binds to for cell entry, were significantly higher in people with type A blood compared to other blood types. The researchers also found that the binding rate of the spike protein to red blood cells was highest in people with type A blood and lowest in people with type O.
Despite these associations, when assessing a person’s risk of severe SARS-CoV-2 infection, factors such as age and pre-existing chronic conditions, like heart disease, tend to have more significant effects on the risk of severe SARS-CoV-2 infection than blood type.
Increased Risk of Cancer
Pancreatic cancer is one of the deadliest types of cancer because it tends to grow quickly, can rapidly invade surrounding organs, and is often difficult to detect early. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2657095/ - One study found a statistically significant association between ABO blood group and pancreatic cancer risk. Compared to people with type O blood, those with blood types A, AB, and B had a 32, 51, and 72 percent higher risk of developing pancreatic cancer, respectively.
Additionally, a https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5137991/ - comprehensive review found that people with type A blood were more susceptible to Helicobacter pylori, a known risk factor for stomach cancer, thus increasing their likelihood of developing the disease. In contrast, type O blood was associated with a lower risk of several cancers, including colorectal, gastric, and breast cancer.
Higher Risk of Other Serious Conditions
Blood type has been found to be associated with an increased risk of other several serious health conditions.
Increased Risk of Heart Disease
Blood type may also be linked to the risk of developing heart disease. A https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22895671/ - meta-analysis from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, analyzing health data from nearly 90,000 individuals over more than 20 years, found that people with type O blood had the lowest risk of developing coronary heart disease. After adjusting for cardiovascular risk factors, participants with blood types A, B, and AB had an increased risk of coronary heart disease by 6, 15, and 23 percent, respectively, when compared to people with type O blood.
Increased Risk of Allergic Diseases
There is also a clear association between blood type and allergic diseases. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/2/e029559 - A review found that people with type O blood were more prone to allergic rhinitis and asthma compared to those with non-O blood group. In contrast, people with non-O blood types had a higher likelihood of developing atopic dermatitis, with the highest prevalence among those with type B blood, followed by type A.
End of part 1
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2024 at 10:32pm
part 2,
Males have more ACE-2 receptors then females...it is also in male reproduction organs. May explain why more men then women die from CoViD.
H5N1 in part is spread by udders in cattle...udders may have receptors that are vulnerable for the (cattle variant of) H5N1...the same receptors are found in human eyes...
A person that did catch H1N1, H3N2 flu may have better protection when catching H5N1...it may explain why children can get much more ill...
DJ, In preventative healthcare knowing blood-type, anti-bodies in your body after previous infections may result in a "risk profile"...
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Of course when CoViD -in general- may result in less immunity protection in mammals there are tens-of-billions of hosts providing a lot more room for lots of (new) diseases...
So "public health risks" are "growing" (exponential ???). In preventative healthcare masks, eye protection, ventilation, limiting mass events, travel would all be "wise and welcome"...But they do not bring profits....
Which brings me to the point of a high risk economic system....NL has over 100 million farm animals in a small country with over 18 million people...It is a major reason why Q-fever, mink-CoViD, H5N1 etc. are such a high risk....
IF one is willing to make human survival a priority one has to reduce meat consumption/farm animals...The insane choice is "saving profits"....
Climate collapse and pandemics are interlinked. WE PRODUCE BOTH !
So are humans self-destructive...YES-it looks like it...
End of part 2
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2024 at 10:48pm
Worried—This is at least the 3rd COMMUNITY TRANSMISSION incidence of H5N1 without any animal contact. Same with the ICU hospitalized case. This is either human-to-human, or maybe long distance airborne transmission from animal to human somehow without direct contact. Worrisome.
another H5N1 in a child with no clear exposure. fortunately it is in California where public health seems to be responsive. This virus needs to be tracked assertively...
Nothing makes me more apprehensive regarding H5N1 than human cases in which the route of infection is unknown. The previously hospitalised patient in Missouri in August. The Canadian teenager with severe illness. Now the child in California.
Highly pathogenic avian influenza not gone from Europe. Experts have provided clear advice (see for example three-monthly EFSA reports: https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/avian-influenza - www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/to... ), but governments and poultry sector seem slow to follow up. https://www.poultryworld.net/health-nutrition/health/avian-influenza-rears-its-head-all-over-europe/ - www.poultryworld.net/health-nutri...
. This brings the state's total to 336 infected herds, and the cumulative national total to 550 herds in 15 states. https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/hpai-confirmed-cases-livestock - www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-po...
DJ, again-what is the CoViD history of the H5N1 infected hosts...Did CoViD "open the door" ?
DJ-I have a limited history background. African Swine Fever (ASF) going global-just before CoViD-19 makes me believe there could be a link....Did "early"CoViD-19 spread as a coinfection in pigs with ASF...did we "miss" it...(did testing for a corona-virus in pigs miss it ? Was the test made for detecting the sort of corona-virus ???)
From a history timeline;
-2018-2020 global African Swine Fever in (hundreds of) millions of pigs worldwide..
-2019 start of CoViD-19 (was it in Africa ? It was around prior to the Wuhan China outbreak-but military games/october 2019 may have been a spread event).
-2022 Mpox clade llb goes global
-2024 Mpox clade lb, increase of H5N1 in humans US, SE Asia....
DJ-with a lot of spread not detected...H5N1 will result in human cases also in Europe...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/19/bird-flu-cases-mutation-canada - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/19/bird-flu-cases-mutation-canada or https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/19/bird-flu-cases-mutation-canada
DJ, big pharma main goal is profits...however vaccines may offer protection against severe disease-are part of the tool kit...A "kennedy" can further damage public health...
"A healthy immune system" can kill by over reacting...
(DJ-linking to bsky providing complications...)
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2024 at 11:04pm
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/preprint-enhanced-encephalitic-tropism.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/preprint-enhanced-encephalitic-tropism.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/preprint-enhanced-encephalitic-tropism.html ;
Although seasonal flu can occasionally cause neurological symptoms (see 2018's https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2018/06/neuroinfluenza-review-of-recently.html - Neuroinfluenza: A Review Of Recently Published Studies ) it is relatively rare phenomenon, and usually only results in mild, and transient symptoms.
The exact mechanisms behind these neurological manifestations are largely unknown, as seasonal flu viruses are generally regarded as being non-neurotropic.
Some researchers have posited that neurological symptoms may be due to neuroinflammation https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/cellular-and-infection-microbiology/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2017.00276/full - induced by the host's immune response. Regardless of the mechanism, we've seen seen evidence that some influenza viruses - particularly novel flu types - can be more neuroaffective than others.
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Over the past few years we've seen numerous reports of https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/03/emerging-microbes-inf-neurotropic-hpai.html - mammals infected with the 2.3.4.4b subclade of H5Nx experiencing severe, and often fatal, neurological manifestations . Often, cats and other small mammals were initially suspected being rabid, only to test positive for H5Nx.
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While there are still more questions than answers, over the years we've looked at numerous studies (some more compelling than others) linking severe and/or repeated viral infections(including flu) to a variety of neurological diagnoses later in life.
In 2011 a study by Boise State biology professor Troy Rohn appeared in http://www.plosone.org/home.action - PLOS ONE , which unexpectedly found immunohistochemical evidence of prior influenzaA infection in the post-mortem brain tissues of 12 Parkinson’s patients they tested.
Troy T. Rohn http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0020495#cor1 - * , Lindsey W. Catlin
The following year, in http://afludiary.blogspot.com/2012/07/revisiting-influenza-parkinsons-link.html - Revisiting The Influenza-Parkinson’s Link http://afludiary.blogspot.com/2012/07/revisiting-influenza-parkinsons-link.html - , we looked at another study, conducted by the University of British Columbia, that found a linkage between a past history of severe bouts of influenza and the likelihood of developing Parkinson’s disease later in life.
According to their research, a severe bout of influenza doubled a person’s chances of developing the neurological condition ( https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-07/uobc-sfi072012.php - Severe flu increases risk of Parkinson's: UBC research).
None of this is conclusive, but it does raise serious questions.
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Whenever we talk about long-term sequelae from influenza, the mysterious decade-long epidemic of Encephalitis Lethargica (EL) that followed the 1918 pandemic always comes to mind.
It is estimated that between 1 and 5 million people were affected with severe Parkinson's-like symptoms. While some scientists have suggested they may have been linked to the pandemic virus, others have pointed to a https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14679031/ - post-streptococcal immune response , or believe it was an aberrant autoimmune response, and dismiss the link with the 1918 pandemic.
The cause remains a mystery.
Throughout history, there have been reports of similar outbreaks, including febris comatosa which sparked a severe epidemic in London between 1673 and 1675, and in the wake of the 1889–1890 influenza pandemic, a severe wave of somnolent illnesses (nicknamed the "Nona") appeared.
And more recently, we've seen evidence that SARS-CoV-2 infection can produce persistent neurological manifestations (see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2021/08/cmaj-even-mild-covid-19-may-have-long.html - CMAJ: Even Mild COVID-19 May Have Long-term Brain Impacts ).
While the mild presentation of H5N1 in the United States thus far is reassuring, these viruses continue to mutate and evolve, and what we say about them today may not hold true tomorrow.
Because with influenza viruses, the only constant is change.
DJ, Maybe the smaller the host (so also a child) the relative higher the viral load may be-resulting in more severe disease ? And disease may bring long term damage more often.
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/mysterious-influenza-outbreak-at-army-camp-in-sri-lanka-causes-25-infections-and-500-in-quarantine - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/mysterious-influenza-outbreak-at-army-camp-in-sri-lanka-causes-25-infections-and-500-in-quarantine or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/mysterious-influenza-outbreak-at-army-camp-in-sri-lanka-causes-25-infections-and-500-in-quarantine
DJ-In this story "flu-like-symptoms"...but testing must have been done and was not able to find a (flu)virus...Was it something else (in food/water ???)
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2024 at 11:25pm
DJ, Warmer sea water is stronger storms...Some diseases may be spread as dust-from dried up bird droppings-may explain "unclear infection stories"....
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/1000875-cidrap-climate-change-may-drive-migratory-birds-farther-north-introducing-exotic-tick-borne-diseases - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/1000875-cidrap-climate-change-may-drive-migratory-birds-farther-north-introducing-exotic-tick-borne-diseases or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/1000875-cidrap-climate-change-may-drive-migratory-birds-farther-north-introducing-exotic-tick-borne-diseases ;
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/climate-change - Climate Change Rising temperatures fueled by climate change may allow pathogen-infected ticks attached to birds migrating from tropical to cooler locations to survive at their destinations, researchers reported this week in https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/cellular-and-infection-microbiology/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2024.1472598/full - .
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Mapping the distributions of tick-carrying bird species during spring migrations highlighted geographic hot spots where songbirds could shed pathogen-carrying ticks on the way to or upon arrival at their breeding grounds, the latter showing average dispersal distances of 421 to 5,003 kilometers (262 to 3,109 miles). Short-distance migrants carried more ticks than their long-distance counterparts.
DJ, Birds going into "new" areas may bring lots of diseases into those areas/animals...new to the region.
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/columbia-study-warns-that-covid-19-kp-3-1-1-and-xec-variants-are-highly-immune-evasive-than-even-jn-1-or-kp-3 - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/columbia-study-warns-that-covid-19-kp-3-1-1-and-xec-variants-are-highly-immune-evasive-than-even-jn-1-or-kp-3 or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/columbia-study-warns-that-covid-19-kp-3-1-1-and-xec-variants-are-highly-immune-evasive-than-even-jn-1-or-kp-3 link to;
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.11.17.624037v1 - https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.11.17.624037v1 or https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.11.17.624037v1 ;
KP.3.1.1 is currently the most prevalent subvariant worldwide, while the recombinant subvariant XEC is exhibiting the fastest growth rate.
Here we measured the in vitro neutralization of KP.3.1.1 and XEC by human sera, monoclonal antibodies, and soluble hACE2 receptor relative to their parental subvariants KP.3 and JN.1. KP.3.1.1 and XEC were slightly more resistant (1.3-1.6-fold) than KP.3 to serum neutralization, and the resultant antigenic map showed that the new subvariants are antigenically similar.
Both also demonstrated greater resistance to neutralization by select monoclonal antibodies and soluble hACE2, all of which target the top of the viral spike.
Our findings suggested that upward motion of the receptor-binding domain in spike is partially hindered by the N-terminal-domain mutations found KP.3.1.1 and XEC, thereby allowing these subvariants to better evade serum antibodies that target the viral spike when it is in the up position and thus having a growth advantage in the population.
DJ, New variants of CoViD also interact with older variants/immunity...New variants of CoViD that "work better" with other widespread diseases-like types of flu- may have more chance of spreading.
Also, one reason why "Europe" may have low/no H5N1 human cases is "limited testing in higher risk groups"...(but PPE may be more in use, also higher level of vaccination compared with most of the US ???)...so very likely there may be less/no cases yet...
However with increase of wild bird spread of H5-flu types Europe may see an increase of human H5-infections (H5N5 ???)
DJ-my non-expert view; the "main new pandemic" is decrease of immunity after coViD resulting in more room for other diseases like Mpox, H5/H7 types of flu etc.
A "testing period" of what diseases mix best-in what hosts-may be the present "pre-crisis". We "may not know what hit us" when a mix of diseases establishes itself...
As always-hope to be very wrong !
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2024 at 11:02pm
DJ, Completely ignoring recent developments and findings https://www.gld.nl/nieuws/8234336/vogelgriep-duikt-weer-op-is-het-gevaarlijk-voor-de-mens - https://www.gld.nl/nieuws/8234336/vogelgriep-duikt-weer-op-is-het-gevaarlijk-voor-de-mens or https://www.gld.nl/nieuws/8234336/vogelgriep-duikt-weer-op-is-het-gevaarlijk-voor-de-mens we get this non-sense....here in NL.
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/usda-california-announces-63-more.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/usda-california-announces-63-more.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/usda-california-announces-63-more.html ;
On Monday, https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/usda-california-reports-another-41-h5.html - California announced another 41 infected cow herds , bringing their total to 335. Today, just 3 days later, that number has jumped again by 63, bringing them to 398 infected herds and the nation to 612.
At this point more than 1/3rd of California's (roughly 1,100) herds have tested positive. What we don't know is how many herds that have been tested, have come back negative.
Once again, most states are not aggressively testing bulk milk, or cattle, for the virus. https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/pennsylvania-to-require-precautionary.html - Only 4 non-affected states (Arkansas, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, and Pennsylvania) currently require precautionary bulk milk testing, and most states that have reported outbreaks do not have mandatory testing.
As a result we continue to fly blind in regards to how many herds are affected, across how many states, and whether those numbers are increasing or declining.
The USDA also updated the number of backyard and commercial poultry flocks that have been affected, with 13 outbreaks across 7 states (Alaska, California, Illinois, South Dakota, Minnesota, Washington, and Hawaii) added since Monday's update.
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Since `bird flu season' generally begins in mid October, we've only just begun this year's battle.
DJ, Mammals DID get H5N1/H5 by eating infected animals...that is how wild animals/cats did get H5-flu-eating most dead birds...some other dead animals...
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/hawaii/1000538-us-hawaii-confirms-avian-flu-detected-in-flock-of-birds-in-central-oahu-h5n1-november-15-2024?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/hawaii/1000538-us-hawaii-confirms-avian-flu-detected-in-flock-of-birds-in-central-oahu-h5n1-november-15-2024?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/hawaii/1000538-us-hawaii-confirms-avian-flu-detected-in-flock-of-birds-in-central-oahu-h5n1-november-15-2024?view=stream ;
HONOLULU — The Hawaiʻi State Department of Health (DOH) is investigating human contacts to the flock infected with H5N1. No humans in Hawaiʻi have tested positive for avian influenza at this time.
To date, 54 individuals have been investigated for potential exposure. Of those, 34 were offered testing because of unprotected exposure (meaning without use of adequate personal protective equipment), to the infected birds within the past 10 days, or because they had developed respiratory symptoms within 10 days of contact with the birds.
DJ, Can H5-flu be spread by dried up bird droppings ? Or does the virus NOT survive that long ? Depends also on moisture, temperature...If a host has not much immunity a very low viral load may be able to cause an infection...
Farmers often do all they can to protect farm animals-and their income-from disease. Dried up droppings getting in via ventilation may be one of the few explanations left...
So far most experts believe H5-virus may not survive that long/spread that way...but do not have an alternative explanation. Can filters help to ventilate while keeping the virus out ?
The role of CoViD in humans and animals-weakening immunity-keeps being ignored...We had Mpox doing strange things, now see H5 doing unseen things...CoViD-immunity-damage (CID ?) may explain that...?
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2024 at 12:42pm
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/cdc-confirms-california-h5n1-infection.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/cdc-confirms-california-h5n1-infection.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/cdc-confirms-california-h5n1-infection.html ;
Including this most recent case, 55 human cases of H5 bird flu have now been reported in the United States during 2024, with 29 in California.
While the official CDC count has risen to 55, this does not include 4 cases confirmed by state labs but not by the CDC, nor does it include the https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/10/cdc-serology-results-on-missouri-h5.html - 2nd, strongly suspected case in Missouri , or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/mmwr-serologic-evidence-of-recent.html - the 8 asymptomatic and/or mild cases retrospectively identified by serological testing.
These detections via serological testing strongly suggest some additional cases have gone unidentified. How many, is unknowable.
It takes more than a little luck for a community case - one w ithout known contact with livestock or someone who is known to be infected - to be picked up by surveillance. Most doctors and walk-in clinics only perform rapid flu tests (if they do a test at all), and that generally does not reveal the subtype, only if it is Influenza A positive or not.
While there may be a heightened index of suspicion in community with outbreaks of H5N1 in cattle or poultry, in most communities mild or moderate cases can be difficult to detect. https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/09/missouri-dhss-human-h5-bird-flu-case.html - The Missouri case was only identified a week after the patient was released from the hospital.
Last year, in https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/03/uk-novel-flu-surveillance-quantifying.html - UK Novel Flu Surveillance: Quantifying TTD, the HKHSA described some of the challenges in detecting or confirming community spread of H5N1 - even in the UK - until after dozens, or even hundreds, of cases had occurred.
And with seasonal flu on the rise, along side other winter respiratory bugs, it is only going to become more difficult to identify novel infections in the community.
DJ, It only just begun...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2024 at 11:14pm
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/other-scientific-studies-including-seasonal-novel-flu/h5n1-research-studies-papers-academia/1001067-why-a-teenager%E2%80%99s-bird-flu-infection-is-ringing-alarm-bells-for-scientists-nature - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/other-scientific-studies-including-seasonal-novel-flu/h5n1-research-studies-papers-academia/1001067-why-a-teenager%E2%80%99s-bird-flu-infection-is-ringing-alarm-bells-for-scientists-nature or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/other-scientific-studies-including-seasonal-novel-flu/h5n1-research-studies-papers-academia/1001067-why-a-teenager%E2%80%99s-bird-flu-infection-is-ringing-alarm-bells-for-scientists-nature ;
Why a teenager’s bird-flu infection is ringing alarm bells for scientists - Nature
20 November 2024 By https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03805-4#author-0 - Heidi Ledford
In a children’s hospital in Vancouver, Canada, a teenager is in critical condition after being infected with https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00591-3 - an avian influenza virus that has researchers on high alert.
Viral genome sequences released last week suggest that the teenager is infected with an https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01338-2 - H5N1 avian influenza virus bearing mutations that might improve its ability to infect the human airway. If true, it could mean that the virus can rapidly evolve to make the jump from birds to humans.
It’s a worrying development but it doesn’t mean that a new pandemic is imminent, says immunologist Scott Hensley at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia. At present, there is no sign that the virus — which is related but not identical to the https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-01333-9 - H5N1 virus infecting US dairy cattle — has been transmitted from the sick adolescent to other people.
“There is reason to be concerned,” he says. “But not reason to totally freak out.”
How did the teenager get infected?
That is unclear. The adolescent did not work or live on a poultry farm, and researchers have found no signs of H5N1 infection in household pets, said Bonnie Henry, a public health officer for the province of British Columbia in Victoria, Canada, during a press conference. “There is a very real possibility that we may not ever determine the source,” Henry said.
Why is this virus so concerning?
The sequencing data suggest that the teenager is infected with a mixture of viruses, all of which are similar to a lineage of https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-03256-3 - H5N1 viruses that is currently infecting poultry and waterfowl in the region. But researchers have homed in on three key differences between those viruses and the teenager’s: two possible mutations that could enhance the virus’s ability to infect human cells, and another that could allow it to replicate more easily in human cells, not just in the cells of its usual avian host.
DJ, https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/cdc-confirms-california-h5n1-infection.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/cdc-confirms-california-h5n1-infection.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/cdc-confirms-california-h5n1-infection.html ; The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has confirmed a human infection with avian influenza A(H5N1) (H5N1 bird flu) in a child in California. This is the first reported avian influenza H5 virus infection in a child in the United States. Consistent with previously identified human cases in the United States, the child reportedly experienced mild symptoms and received flu antivirals.
DJ, So in communication it is either "low/no risk" or "freaking out"....bad communication !
Several North American cases are now "unclear"...direct contact with an infected animal host "less likely"....
update:
Flu activity is still low, but it is starting to pick up. In the week ending 11/16, 2.7% of people going for outpatient care have respiratory illness. When that hits 3%, flu season will be considered to have started.
The map shows dark green receding. Flu's coming.
) since the the 2024-25 reporting period started in early October. This child died earlier this month.
CDC's weekly flu update, FluView, is here: https://www.cdc.gov/fluview/surveillance/2024-week-46.html - www.cdc.gov/fluview/surv...
DJ, Again...immunity damage by CoViD may create lots of room for other diseases...
MPOX UPDATE
Manitoba, Canada reports the first confirmed case of clade lb mpox in the province, which is also the first case of clade I mpox in Canada.
DJ, since (all kinds of) flu is the most widespread disease-earlier infection with H1N1/H3N2 may offer some protection against H5N1... (vaccines very likely also doing some job !) CoViD and flu may mix...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2024 at 11:15pm
H5N1 UPDATE - FLORIDA
H5 avian influenza virus detected in St. Petersburg, Florida wastewater
DJ, if you do not control it it will spread...
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/987828-discussion-thread-h5n1-avian-flu-in-us-dairy-cows-including-human-cases-poultry-dairy-workers-march-24-2024?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/987828-discussion-thread-h5n1-avian-flu-in-us-dairy-cows-including-human-cases-poultry-dairy-workers-march-24-2024?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/987828-discussion-thread-h5n1-avian-flu-in-us-dairy-cows-including-human-cases-poultry-dairy-workers-march-24-2024?view=stream
DJ-Also trying to get a basic view...For me (DJ) a major question is what role (previous) CoViD infection is playing in decrease of immunity-opening the door for Mpox, H5-flu etc.
In lots of stories/news it looks like the CoViD-history is ignored...both in human and animal cases...
Feeding cattle "poultry litter" is not new...may have been practice for decades...with no major problems.
Did cattle catch CoViD earlier ? Without major symptoms at first...however immunity damage later on ? Or did H5-in poultry litter-turn out to be that "active" it could spread into cattle...?
What I make of cattle/farm workers is they may have catched H5 via receptors in their eyes while milking cattle (via milking robots). Cow udders have the same receptors as human eyes...So poultry workers may also have catched H5-flu virus via the eyes (???)...
In the US vaccinations (CoViD, Flu etc) is much lower then in most of Europe...(and in Europe often tax payed...in the US one has to pay for it themselves...).
It may explain some of the differences between Europe and the US...most likely we -in Europe- may also have been lucky so far...
Certainly the NetherLands (NL) -over 100 million farm animals- is high risk...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2024 at 11:52pm
Avian influenza detected in California raw milk confirms what we’ve feared. Cross-species spread is advancing. The virus has found new entry points into mammalian systems. This isn’t isolated, it’s evolution in action, and the implications are catastrophic.
DJ...H5 types of flu are very widespread in lots of species-mixing with all kinds of other flu-types...My non-expert view is CoViD immunity damage opened the door to Mpox, H5...
Flu is "just a starter"....soon we may face diseases we never expected to become a risk for humans....
The wrong idea is vaccinating farm workers would do much to stop the spread&mix of H5-flu....Over time H5N1 did evolve towards better spreading in lots of hosts...(because viruses need hosts for reproduction-the more species/hosts the better for the virus...).
"Politics/strategies" keep running behind realities....the longer one waits the more radical strategies have to become to be of any use. Non Pharma Interventions (masks eye protection), decrease farm animals, as good as stop on travel...Just like climate collapse stopping pandemics has to be a global priority...
https://cop29.az/en/conference/what-is-cop29 - https://cop29.az/en/conference/what-is-cop29 was an insulting "joke" on climate...(the "rest" of the world will now compensate climate damage by making "the rich" pay a very high price for energy...). Learning the hard way in pandemics will be a very hard way...If the "mild" Spanish Flu killed 5% of the global population-in todays global 8,2 billion population that 5%=400 million+ deaths....
What we are facing-linked to CoViD-19, may have already hundreds of millions of people dealing with Long CoViD....other diseases (like flu) on top of it may kill billions of people...(Just like climate collapse can end humans/life...).
If you fail to take risks seriously there is a price...Hope to be very wrong as always !
Black coffee does miracles !
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2024 at 11:29pm
DJ, When I "google" CoViD immunity damage";
Why do I keep getting sick after COVID?
For reasons we don't understand, COVID might cause your immune system to start attacking parts of your own body, like an autoimmune disorder. Viral persistence. SARS‑CoV‑2, the virus that causes COVID-19, might hang around in your body long after you feel better from your initial illness.
Long COVID: Post-COVID Conditions, Symptoms & Treatment
Cleveland Clinic
https://my.clevelandclinic.org › health › diseases › 2511...
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Can mild COVID-19 affect the immune system?
mild COVID-19 might not only indicate T cell exhaustion but could also suggest the existence of antigen-specific T cells (77, 137, 138). Recent studies, including more than 1000 COVID-19 cases, have indicated that a reduced frequency of CD4+ T cells is related to disease severity (139, 140).
The absolute number of CD4 and CD8 T cells was decreased within all of the studied COVID-19 patients compared to healthy individuals. The decline in T lymphocytes was especially strong within the more severe cases (Chen et al. 2020; Liu et al.8 feb 2023
H5-flu is -by now- a global problem. Wild birds spreading it from Hawaii to Antarctica...a major problem is "countries kept poor" (via unfair global trade) may miss a lot of spread...
M-pox was known to be a major problem in "countries kept poor"... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox ; Smallpox was an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infectious_disease - infectious disease caused by variola https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus - virus (often called smallpox virus), which belongs to the genus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthopoxvirus - Orthopoxvirus . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#cite_note-She2004-7 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#cite_note-Viruses2015-11 - The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Maow_Maalin#Maalins_case - last naturally occurring case was diagnosed in October 1977, and the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization - World Health Organization (WHO) certified the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradication_of_infectious_diseases - global eradication of the disease in 1980, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#cite_note-WHO2007Fact-10 - making smallpox the only human disease to have been eradicated to date. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#cite_note-12 -
It is good people are keeping an eye on H5-types of flu...DJ-I do NOT think H5N1 will be the next pandemic...other types of H5-flu may be able to "mix better" with types of flu that are a risk for humans (and pigs...both humans and pigs are "perferct mixing vessels").
Again-the new pandemic-is immunity damage after CoViD...many diseases will get much more room....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles ;
Measles is an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_disease - airborne disease which https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human-to-human_transmission - spreads easily from one person to the next through the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cough - coughs and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneeze - sneezes of infected people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles#cite_note-WHO2014-7 - It may also be spread through direct contact with mouth or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucus - nasal secretions . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles#cite_note-WHO2019News-16 - It is extremely contagious: nine out of ten people who are not immune and share living space with an infected person will be infected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles#cite_note-CDC2012Pink-5 -
Furthermore, measles's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_number - reproductive number estimates vary beyond the frequently cited range of 12 to 18. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles#cite_note-17 -
The NIH quote this 2017 paper saying: "[a] review in 2017 identified feasible measles R0 values of 3.7–203.3". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles#cite_note-18 -
People are infectious to others from four days before to four days after the start of the rash. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles#cite_note-CDC2012Pink-5 - While often regarded as a childhood illness, it can affect people of any age. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles#cite_note-Medscape2018-19 - Most people do not get the disease more than once. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles#cite_note-WHO2014-7 - Testing for the measles virus in suspected cases is important for public health efforts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles#cite_note-CDC2012Pink-5 - Measles is not known to occur in other animals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles#cite_note-WHO2019News-16 -
Measles may be a good indicator for what CoViD does to (human) immunity...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2024 at 11:02pm
‘Stable but critically ill’ is a masterclass in downplaying a crisis.
H5N1 is knocking
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/canada-bc-govt-statement-on-human.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/canada-bc-govt-statement-on-human.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/canada-bc-govt-statement-on-human.html ;
B.C. Provincial Health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry held a lengthy press conference ( https://www.youtube.com/live/JH76Mi-Wntg - video link ) this afternoon providing the first update on the B.C. teenager infected with H5N1 in two weeks. The patient remains in critical, but stable, condition and is apparently on ventilator or other assisted breathing.
After an extensive investigation, including contract tracing and testing of HCWs, monitoring friends an and family, and testing more than 2 dozen animals, they have been unable to find the source of the virus, or any indication of onward transmission.
Much like our Missouri case from last August, the source of this teenager's infection may never be known. For now, the investigation appears to be at a dead-end, but will be reopened if new information appears.
DJ, In fact no new info...There was testing in most likely cause of spread...however one can come in contact with a very high number of "causes of spread"...A handrail outdoors-infected with bird droppings- could be such a cause...
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DJ-My question in human H5N1 cases is if there has been a CoViD infection prior to it? Was there any testing/sequencing ? Do some forms of CoViD do more damage to (certain parts of) immunity than other CoViD variants ?
Is there any investigation into "history of disease" in human H5 cases ? In older persons the idea is earlier flu-infection (H3N2/H1N1) may offer some protection...To be honest...I did have flu several years ago...no idea what type of flu...So linking earlier H1N1/H3N2 flu with immunity against H5-types of flu "sounds optimistic" in my ears...
The pandemic risk is staring us in the face.
We have no universal flu vaccine.
We have surveillance systems that function like smoke detectors with dead batteries.
And we have a world unwilling to imagine that the next pandemic won’t wait for us to catch up.
10/10
DJ, "we only see one pandemic in 10 years-so we are safe for now"-kind of stupidity ?
Again...I am NOT any kind of expert- but pandemics can end humans...If you ignore risks you are inviting disasters...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2024 at 1:57am
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/long-covid-and-the-hidden-changes-in-red-blood-cells - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/long-covid-and-the-hidden-changes-in-red-blood-cells or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/long-covid-and-the-hidden-changes-in-red-blood-cells -link to https://www.mdpi.com/2079-7737/13/11/948 - https://www.mdpi.com/2079-7737/13/11/948 or https://www.mdpi.com/2079-7737/13/11/948 ;
Red Blood Cell Morphology Is Associated with Altered Hemorheological Properties and Fatigue in Patients with Long COVID
Simple Summary
SARS-CoV-2 alters the properties of oxygen-carrying red blood cells (RBCs) through a possible deterioration of hemorheological properties, such as aggregation and deformability. However, long-term changes in these properties and a possible association with morphological abnormalities remain unknown.
Therefore, this study aims to investigate changes in the above-mentioned RBC properties in Long-COVID (LC).
Venous blood was collected from n = 30 diagnosed LC and n = 30 non-Long-COVID controls (non-LC). Hematological parameters were measured, as well as the aggregation, deformability, and morphology of the RBCs and the mechanical sensitivity index (MS), which reflects the functional capacity of RBCs to deform.
The results indicate that hematological parameters were not altered in LC. However, LC showed higher overall aggregation parameters. RBC deformability was higher in LC compared to non-LC; however, MS was limited in this group. LC showed a higher percentage of RBCs with abnormal shapes, which was related to MS and to fatigue, which is considered the leading symptom of LC.
It is concluded that the symptoms of LC and changes in the blood flow determining the properties of RBCs are related to the morphological changes in RBCs. Future studies should investigate the underlying causes in order to develop appropriate therapies for this relatively new disease.
DJ, Red Blood Cells less able to transport oxygen may not only increase fatigue but also risks for other infections/decrease of immunity....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_NplGxtF9I - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_NplGxtF9I or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_NplGxtF9I MedCram;
H5N1 Mutations Detected in Canadian Case Favor Human Transmission
Based on a paper from 2024 (and 2004 and previous) for the shift at position 226 (and 228), it seems that to confer human transmissibility a change from glutamine to leucine at residue 226 and from glycine to serine at residue 228 is sufficient. One of the changes in the virus in the young Canadian was Q226H which is a glutamine to histidine shift. That increases transmissibility, but isn't optimal. His virus also apparently had E190D and E627K. That there are 7 226 changes and 2 190 changes that increase human transmission potential, it just emphasizes how important it is to be vigilant about human cases, and monitoring the changes changes in cows, birds (many species) and swine, and also in animals that come into contact with dairy cattle or milk (rodents, birds and cats).
The surmise that the ambiguity in the sequence may mean it mutated in the patient seems reasonable, though not certain. If it did, the risk is less as he did not seem to transmit it to anyone (or anything) else. That's the good news.
I would hope that the mRNA (and other) vaccine developers are developing new H5N1 vaccines based on this information, just in case. I also have read that the two current vaccines seem to be very much less effective against the variants, which greatly increases the concern. The current vaccines might provide some protection, but still be far from optimal.
The bad news is that the proposed "leaders" for HHS, NIH, CDC and FDA are antivaxxers, and are particularly hostile to mRNA. We may need to look to Europe or Asia to develop the new vaccines. Getting those approved here may face significant hurdles and delays or roadblocks.
DJ, CoViD background is getting more and more relevant !
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2024 at 9:26am
H5N1 UPDATE
H5N1 is tearing through California.
Another 13 infected herds were added today, bringing the state total to 474 and 688 nationally across 15 states.
This isn’t containment. It’s collapse.
infected herds from California today, bringing the state's total to 474 & the cumulative national total to 688 herds in 15 states.
ICYMI, last night California announced a 2nd raw milk recall, because product tested positive for H5.
Link https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/california-cdph-statement-on-recall-of.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/california-cdph-statement-on-recall-of.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/california-cdph-statement-on-recall-of.html
This study supports what we have stated since April 2020:
-Viral Persistence is the main cause of Severe COVID and Long COVID
-There is an overestimation of the role of the inflammatory response
-It is a error to indicate only 5 days of antiviral treatment
DJ, Long CoViD in itself may be seen as a chronic infection-weakening/overdemanding immunity....
https://www.coronaheadsup.com/health/vaccine/buckhaults-the-plasmid-dna-that-is-contained-within-mrna-vaccines-can-integrate-into-the-genome-of-normal-cells/ - https://www.coronaheadsup.com/health/vaccine/buckhaults-the-plasmid-dna-that-is-contained-within-mrna-vaccines-can-integrate-into-the-genome-of-normal-cells/ or https://www.coronaheadsup.com/health/vaccine/buckhaults-the-plasmid-dna-that-is-contained-within-mrna-vaccines-can-integrate-into-the-genome-of-normal-cells/ ;
Five years after the start of the pandemic, we are once again we seeing the heavy hammer of government censorship affect our website as this post hes been heavily suppressed since this morning.
Please visit the X link above, or go the X directly and search for “Phillip Buckhaults The plasmid DNA that is contained within mRNA vaccines” to access the post directly.
DJ, vaccines are not as safe as claimed...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2024 at 12:55pm
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/chinese-scientists-warn-of-new-h2n2-influenza-strain-that-could-be-a-human-pandemic-threat - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/chinese-scientists-warn-of-new-h2n2-influenza-strain-that-could-be-a-human-pandemic-threat or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/chinese-scientists-warn-of-new-h2n2-influenza-strain-that-could-be-a-human-pandemic-threat
link to ;
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1038/s41467-024-54374-z - https://link.springer.com/article/10.1038/s41467-024-54374-z or https://link.springer.com/article/10.1038/s41467-024-54374-z ;
The 1957 H2N2 influenza pandemic virus [A(H2N2)pdm1957] has disappeared from humans since 1968, while H2N2 avian influenza viruses (AIVs) are still circulating in birds. It is necessary to reveal the recurrence risk and potential cross-species infection of these AIVs from avian to mammals.
We find that H2 AIVs circulating in domestic poultry in China have genetic and antigenic differences compared to the A(H2N2)pdm1957. One H2N2 AIV has a dual receptor-binding property similar to that of the A(H2N2)pdm1957.
Molecular and structural studies reveal that the N144S, and N144E or R137M substitutions in hemagglutinin (HA) enable H2N2 avian or human viruses to bind or preferentially bind human-type receptor.
The H2N2 AIV rapidly adapts to mice (female) and acquires mammalian-adapted mutations that facilitated transmission in guinea pigs and ferrets (female).
These findings on the receptor-binding, infectivity, transmission, and mammalian-adaptation characteristics of H2N2 AIVs provide a reference for early-warning and prevention for this subtype.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic ;
The 1957–1958 Asian flu pandemic was a global https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic - pandemic of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H2N2 - influenza A virus subtype H2N2 that originated in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou - Guizhou in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_China - Southern China . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic#cite_note-:0-3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic#cite_note-:2-4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic#cite_note-:1-1 - The number of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_displacement - excess deaths caused by the pandemic is estimated to be 1–4 million around the world (1957–1958 and probably beyond), making it one of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics - deadliest pandemics in history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic#cite_note-:1-1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic#cite_note-:WHO2-2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic#cite_note-The_Journal_of_Infectious_Diseases_2016-5 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic#cite_note-:7-6 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic#cite_note-:62-7 - A decade later, a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reassortment - reassorted viral strain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H3N2 - H3N2 further caused the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu - Hong Kong flu pandemic (1968–1969). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic#cite_note-8 - nfluenza A virus subtype H2N2 (A/H2N2) is a subtype of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus - Influenza A virus . H2N2 has mutated into various strains including the " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Flu - Asian flu " strain (now extinct in the wild), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H3N2 - H3N2 , and various strains found in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird - birds . It is also suspected of causing a human pandemic in 1889. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H2N2#cite_note-1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H2N2#cite_note-2 - The geographic spreading of the 1889 Russian flu has been studied and published. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H2N2#cite_note-3 -
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2024 at 12:27am
DJ, The UK reported a fiftht case of Mpox clade 1B. https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/monkeypox/995402-cameroon-mpox-monkeypox-outbreak-2024?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/monkeypox/995402-cameroon-mpox-monkeypox-outbreak-2024?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/monkeypox/995402-cameroon-mpox-monkeypox-outbreak-2024?view=stream ;
Tests carried out on a monkey aged approximately 1 month, which died on November 26, 2024, confirmed that it was a carrier of the disease Mpox (Monkeypox).
DJ, no further specifics on clade...just an example of "limited reporting/testing"-ongoing spread...
My non-expert view; Mpox clades did get a chance because CoViD did damage immunity...just like H5N1 now did get a chance in US farm workers-and further...
The "new pandemic" -my view- is immunity damage after CoViD opens the doors to all kinds of other infections/diseases once controlled/limited by immunity...
From Dengue to Mpox-filling the gap of smallpox...to flu...with CoViD itself far from over...
CoViD is detected in lots of species...Since those species carry diseases that can become a risk for humans (pigs, some birds, may get the flu-virus-not the symptoms...).
-How to deal with that ?
Limiting exposure may be wise ! Masks/eyeprotection does a good job...But we do need much more science/study...
Is CoViD immunity damage a big issue ? For all CoViD variants in all hosts ? Some claim CoViD may result in HIV-like problems...could it be related to a certain history of disease ?
Another point has to be what vaccines can do and what they can not do...non-sterilizing vaccines can limit symptoms but will NOT get us out of a pandemic...On the long run vaccine-immunity variants will undo vaccine-immunity-so new vaccines show up...
Lots of countries do NOT have big pharma going for profits (only).... It is seen as strategic...so the government can "order" production-determine against what price...(excluding pandemic-profits).
India, China-both with a population of 1,4 billion- are the "world players" for vaccines...Safety of vaccines always has to be a (balanced) factor...If the vaccine ends up killing more people then the disease itself one may reconsider the need...
Ending smallpox may have been in a phase where the vaccine was killing more people then small pox. Continuation of vaccination had the goal to get rid of small pox...
Age is also a factor. Older people may have been exposed to more diseases resulting in some sort of immunity...it may limit-for now- H5N1 in older people...However old age often weakens immunity...so one may have the right immunity reaction-but not strong enough to stop a disease...
Africa has a relative young population-Japan has an older population. To see CoViD statistics for Africa/Japan has to include age...But also level of vaccination/testing...
I think 40 million CoViD deaths may be a realistic number for the CoViD pandemic that started in 2019...However by now lots of excess deaths are indirect CoViD deaths...hearth, brain issues, cancers...Those statistics explain increase of excess deaths in many regions...
It could be interesting to find regions where excess deaths did NOT increase...Why ? Was it just bad statistics or is there a "hidden wisdom" we can learn from ?
Blood type may be part of the discussion. Type "A" could see 20% more serious CoViD infections then the lowest risk type of blood..at a certain moment in a certain region...
Was that "just a statistic" -not an explenation ?
Lots of things to learn/study !
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2024 at 2:17am
Precipitous decline in Common Tern population at the long-term population study in NW Germany due to avian influenza. While grim to see (even more so for those studying), this exceptional study system at least gives many opportunities to understand causes, consequences & response to this epidemic
This season's numbers have been crunched. After two seasons of #avianinfluenza, the Banter See common tern population has been reduced to 215 breeding pairs: -69% compared to the number at the start of the outbreak in 2022.
DJ, If I get that correct a regional tern population did see 69% reduction in a just a few years -linked to H5N1.
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In history/archeology some civilization traces were detected-but the civilization that left those traces is "gone"...In an optimistic scenario that civilization moved to an even better location...However more realistic is some civilizations died out because of disease...
In 2024 global traffic can spread diseases around the globe in just a few hours...with billions of potential hosts...
Ali Max Erturk
@erturklab
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Our new study shows that SARS-CoV-2 spike protein accumulates & persists in the body for years after infection, especially in the skull-meninges-brain axis, potentially driving long COVID. mRNA vaccines help but cannot stop it@cellhostmicrobehttps://cell.com/cell-host-microbe/fulltext/S1931-3128(24)00438-4
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https://x.com/_CatintheHat">Cat in the Hat reposted
2024 UK, over 10,000 certified Covid deaths in NHS hospitals so far this year, 2-3 million estimated with post Covid complications in UK. No NHS Covid mitigations mandated currently.
Government changes to NHS in 2024: legalise assisted suicide.
DJ, like in wars, climate collapse also in pandemics politics fails. Making matters only getting worse high speed...
There will be a turning point-damage getting that bad "people" decide we have to make other choices. Only that turning point may come that late we can not survive...
DJ-Every tiny step can matter ! YOU can matter ! Limiting risks, avoiding crowds, masks-if-need-be...low/no travel/meat/car...
The earlier action the more chance we can limit an unfolding disaster at least somewhat...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2024 at 12:43am
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-i-thru-z/tuberculosis/1001380-morocco-tuberculosis-outbreak-caused-by-raw-cow-s-milk-consumption-requires-intervention-by-ministry-of-health - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-i-thru-z/tuberculosis/1001380-morocco-tuberculosis-outbreak-caused-by-raw-cow-s-milk-consumption-requires-intervention-by-ministry-of-health or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-i-thru-z/tuberculosis/1001380-morocco-tuberculosis-outbreak-caused-by-raw-cow-s-milk-consumption-requires-intervention-by-ministry-of-health ;
Translation Google
Tuberculosis outbreak caused by cow's milk consumption requires intervention by Ministry of Health
M'hamed LAKBIR 17 hours ago Heba Press
Residents of the southern provinces, particularly in the Guelmim-Oued Noun region, are facing growing fears of an outbreak of tuberculosis, an infectious disease that is widespread in remote areas and requires careful health care. These fears are attributed to a lack of awareness of the severity of the disease and difficulties in accessing medical services.
In this context, the National Rally of Independents team in the House of Representatives alerted the Minister of Health and Social Protection of the seriousness of the health situation in the region, noting that cases of tuberculosis had been recorded, including bovine tuberculosis resulting from the consumption of unpasteurized dairy products from infected cows. The Dove Party team confirmed that the mishandling of these products contributes to the spread of the disease, in the absence of immediate diagnosis.
The team called on the minister to take urgent measures to combat the spread of tuberculosis in the region, and also called for developing an effective strategy to strengthen health security and eliminate infectious disease hotspots in remote areas.
PB2-E627K is here.
Faster replication, higher severity.
H5N1 is adapting to humans.
A BC teenager marks the beginning of what could be the next pandemic.
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/a-personal-pre-pandemic-plan.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/a-personal-pre-pandemic-plan.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/a-personal-pre-pandemic-plan.html ;
While I don't have any special insight into what H5N1 will - or won't - do in the coming months, the virus continues to rack up new achievements and milestones to the point that even the mainstream media can no longer ignore it. A few examples this week include:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2024/11/29/1107552/risk-of-bird-flu-pandemic-rising/ - The risk of a bird flu pandemic is rising - MIT Tech Review
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/29/opinion/bird-flu-pandemic.html - A Bird Flu Pandemic Would Be One of the Most Foreseeable Catastrophes in History - NYT's Opinion
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/27/nx-s1-5205429/scientists-warn-of-the-increased-dangers-of-a-new-bird-flu-strain - Scientists warn of the increased dangers of a new bird flu strain - NPR
Nothing is guaranteed, of course. We've stood on the precipice with H5N1 before, only to see it's threat recede. But this time, the H5 virus is more widespread, and https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/mammals - affecting a wider range of avian and mammalian hosts , than ever before.
This time, it feels different.
DJ, I think CoViD weakening immunity in billions of human/mammal hosts is a big difference-not only for flu but for lots of diseases...
And it is always possible while we are watching H5N1 that another threat will emerge - like we saw in 2020 with COVID - that will take us by surprise. H5N1 isn't the only novel virus in the wild with pandemic potential (see https://www.cdc.gov/pandemic-flu/php/monitoring/irat-virus-summaries.html - CDC IRAT List ), and there are plenty of other pandemic contenders not even on this list.
While much of the world (including myself) continues to suffer from varying degrees of PTSD from the last pandemic, there are things we could - and should- be doing now to prepare for the next global health emergency.
I'm talking individually, or as families and neighbors. Because regardless of what governments and agencies end up doing before - or during - a pandemic, much of the day-to-day responsibility for staying healthy, and continuing to function, will fall on the individual.
DJ, Maybe a polite way to say governments did do a very bad job during CoViD !
Sadly, much of the public guidance that was once promoted by the CDC and HHS on pandemic preparedness has been expunged from their websites. It's as if the first rule of pandemic preparedness in the 2020's is . . .we don't talk about pandemic preparedness.
Buried in the https://stacks.cdc.gov/gsearch?terms=Get+ready+pandemic+influenza&collection= - CDC's archives , however, are a number of useful documents, including these from 2017:
https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/46470 - Get Your Household Ready For Pandemic Flu {PDF - 16 pages]
https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/46474 - Get Ready for Pandemic Flu: Educational Settings [PDF – 16 pages]
https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/46471 - Get Ready for Pandemic Flu: Workplace Settings [PDF – 16 pages]
In addition to the advice offered in these ( https://www.ready.gov/pandemic - and other ) guidance documents, I'd like to offer 5 things you can do today to prepare for a possibility of seeing another pandemic sometime in the reasonably near future.
1. Get, and become, a `Flu Buddy'
2. Avail yourselves of the vaccines that are available now.
3. Get a Dr. Checkup, Renew Rx Meds, & Handle any Issues
4. Stock up on PPEs or other supplies you might need
5. Be prepared to Shelter in Place
The good news is, much of what you need to do now to prepare for a pandemic would hold you in good stead for any prolonged emergency or disaster. Frankly, there is not much here I wouldn't do to prepared for hurricanes, blizzards, or earthquakes.
And if we get lucky, and no pandemic (or other emergency) occurs necessitating these preps, I'll have slept well not worrying about being unprepared.
DJ, Maybe 6. STAY informed ! Find sources you trust...because there will be a lot of non-sense around...CoViD is NOT over, Mpox is "developing" -more clades just a matter of time...H5-flu may mix with other types of flu...co-spread with CoViD...
YOU have to make up your mind on YOUR situation...Because your situation may differ...If you live in rural New Zealand the picture is different from living in London, New York City or a major town in Asia/Africa...
Some people have a social network they can "work with"...live in good housing, lots of room to store goods-low risks of flooding, earthquakes, hurricanes or wildfires...
Here in NL most people face risks of flooding, with wildfires a growing risk...social unrest also a growing factor.
History may give some indication on what the risks are in your area...learn from the past !
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2024 at 6:01am
SUDDEN DEATH IN PIGS
This is concerning.
The owner is in BC and also has turkeys and chickens.
It’s also located within the Pacific flyway.
There are many things this could be but encephalitis can happen with H5N1
https://x.com/outbreakupdates/status/1863211832149688461/photo/1 - https://x.com/outbreakupdates/status/1863211832149688461/photo/1 or https://x.com/outbreakupdates/status/1863211832149688461/photo/1 ; DJ, Screaming, seeming to choke...in 5 minutes they are death...PIGS !!!! Supposed to spread without symptoms....so if H5N1 is doing this in pigs this is very alarming !
H5N1 UPDATE - CALIFORNIA
The California Animal Health and Food Safety Laboratory is facing an exodus of staff leaving only a few employees to handle the workload, leading to quality control missteps and delays in testing that could contribute to the spread of the virus.
H5N1 UPDATE - CALIFORNIA
The California Animal Health and Food Safety Laboratory at UC Davis is struggling with understaffing and workplace tensions as it works to track and prevent the spread of the H5N1 bird flu virus.
's weekly update on https://x.com/hashtag/flu?src=hashtag_click - #flu activity, normally posts on Fridays. With Thanksgiving, this week's report (for the week ending Nov. 23) will be posted Monday. Check back then to see whether the red line has crossed the dotted line, signaling the start of flu season.
https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/11/articles/animals/cats/two-rabies-deaths-two-more-reminders-of-important-issues/ - https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/11/articles/animals/cats/two-rabies-deaths-two-more-reminders-of-important-issues/ or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/11/articles/animals/cats/two-rabies-deaths-two-more-reminders-of-important-issues/ ;While rabies kills approximately 50,000 people a year globally, there’s no reason anyone should die from rabies in places where people have access to a well developed public health system. Rabies is almost invariably fatal, but is also almost entirely preventable with appropriate and timely response to an exposure. The weak link is getting people to recognize that there’s a risk that needs to be addressed.
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A teacher who found a bat in her classroom which she handled while trying to carefully remove it, and she was bitten in the process. It was a minor bite, which makes it easy to dismiss because of the limited amount of trauma. You wouldn’t need to go to a doctor to address the physical damage from a bat bite, but that tiny bite can transfer enough rabies virus to a person to cause infection. Any bite from a bat is a potential rabies exposure.
What should have happened?
If she’d realized the risk, she would have gone to a healthcare provider or called public health, and a rabies risk assessment would have been done (and concluded that this was a high risk exposure).
If the bat was still available, it would have been humanely euthanized and tested for rabies, and if positive (as it no doubt would have been in this case) she would have started PEP right away.
If the bat was not available (e.g. flew away), it would be assumed that the bat could have been rabid (erring on the side of caution) and she would have started PEP right away.
The PEP (which typically includes an injection of antibodies then a series of 4 rabies vaccines over 2 weeks) almost certainly would have prevented rabies, and this tragedy would have been averted.
What actually happened?
Presumably the teacher did not know about the risk from bats and did not recognize the tiny bite as a major risk, so she did not seek a risk assessment and did not get PEP. That allowed the rabies virus to work its way through her body to her brain. By the time disease developed (typically several weeks to months later) it was too late to save her, as rabies it almost 100% fatal, even with aggressive medical care.
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The second case of a rabies death I want to mention is one that is a lot less clear-cut. https://tuoitrenews.vn/news/society/20241128/woman-dies-months-after-cat-scratch-in-southern-vietnam/83145.html - A 53-year-old woman from Vietnam died of rabies after an encounter with a feral cat. Cats are not a rabies reservoir species (i.e. there’s no cat-variant strains of rabies like there are in dogs and certain wildlife species) but they are an important source of rabies exposure for humans because cats can get rabies from other animals and they also have close contact with people.
The woman in this case was “scratched” by a cat in May, and the developed signs of rabies and died at the end of November.
DJ, Good info limits risks....but good laws protect !
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/the-expansion-of-hpai-h5n5.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/the-expansion-of-hpai-h5n5.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/the-expansion-of-hpai-h5n5.html ;
The HPAI H5 influenza virus continues to evolve, and over nearly 3 decades it has produced dozens of clades and subclades, hundreds of genotypes, spanning 9 different subtypes(H5N1-H5N9).
While H5N1 is currently our biggest avian flu concern, in the past H5N8 and H5N6 have both threatened - and we've recently been watching the rise of HPAI H5N5 in both Europe and Canada.
New subtypes or new genotypes of the HPAI H5 virus are a product of H5 reassorting with other LPAI viruses - which can occur in both birds and mammals around the globe. Most are unable to compete with their parental viruses and fade away, but occasionally one will emerge that is able to thrive.
DJ, Indirect risk may be in a H5-flu mixing with "human" flu...making the "normal flu" high risk.
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2024 at 11:49pm
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/oceania/h5n1-tracking-ai/new-zealand/1001473-new-zealand-gov-statement-avian-flu-h7n6-found-on-commercial-chicken-farm-in-otago-december-1-2024 - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/oceania/h5n1-tracking-ai/new-zealand/1001473-new-zealand-gov-statement-avian-flu-h7n6-found-on-commercial-chicken-farm-in-otago-december-1-2024 or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/oceania/h5n1-tracking-ai/new-zealand/1001473-new-zealand-gov-statement-avian-flu-h7n6-found-on-commercial-chicken-farm-in-otago-december-1-2024 ;
New Zealand gov. statement: Avian flu H7N6 found on commercial chicken farm in Otago - December 1, 2024
Country's first case of high pathogenic bird flu found on Otago egg farm
3 minutes ago
First case of bird flu confirmed in New Zealand
It is a high pathogenic H7N6 subtype of avian influenza
There are no human health or food safety concerns
The government is confident its teams will be able eradicate the high pathogenic avian influenza or bird flu, which has been found at an Otago farm.
The Ministry for Primary Industries said laying hens foraging outside were thought to have been infected with the H7N6 strain through a low pathogenic virus from wild waterfowl.
There are 40,000 chickens in the shed where the virus was identified, and teams would begin eradicating birds on Tuesday.
Biosecurity New Zealand deputy director-general Stuart Anderson said there had been no signs of further infection so far…
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https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/949085-discussion-thoughts-on-a-global-outbreak-of-monkeypox?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/949085-discussion-thoughts-on-a-global-outbreak-of-monkeypox?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/949085-discussion-thoughts-on-a-global-outbreak-of-monkeypox?view=stream ;
WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the media briefing – 28 November 2024
28 November 2024 ... Now to mpox.
Last Friday, the Emergency Committee met and advised me that the outbreaks of mpox in Africa continue to represent a public health emergency of international concern. I accepted that advice.
Yesterday, the Emergency Committee issued updated temporary recommendations, adding some new recommendations, and extending or modifying others.
As we have said many times, we are not dealing with one outbreak of one virus, but several simultaneous and overlapping outbreaks of different strains, or clades of the virus, affecting different groups in different places.
So far this year, 20 countries in Africa have reported more than 14 thousand confirmed cases, including 55 deaths.
More than 75% of all confirmed cases and deaths in Africa this year have been in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, where the outbreak of clade 1b has now spread to six provinces, including the capital Kinshasa.
Clade 1b has also spread to four neighbouring countries:
In Burundi, more than 2 000 cases have been reported, largely in urban areas;
In Uganda, there are 649 cases and a fast-expanding epidemic, especially in the capital Kampala,
In Rwanda, 37 cases have been confirmed and in Kenya there are 19 cases;
And cases have also been reported in at least 8 other countries in Africa, the Americas and Europe.
WHO, Africa CDC and our partners are continuing to support countries to respond to these outbreaks and prevent further ones under our joint continental preparedness and response plan.
Together, we are strengthening the “five Cs” of outbreak response:
Coordination;
Collaborative surveillance and detection;
Community protection;
Care that is safe and scalable;
And countermeasures, including vaccines.
So far, six million vaccine doses have been pledged, of which 1.6 million are ready for distribution by the end of the year.
Almost 56 000 people have been vaccinated in 7 provinces of the DRC, and health officials there are preparing to administer a second dose, with vaccination starting in Kinshasa this week.
We still face many challenges to bring these outbreaks under control.
To meet them, we need stronger political commitment to scale up response activities;
We need fully resourced preparedness and response plans;
We need further contributions of medical countermeasures including diagnostics and vaccines;
And we need continued transparency and collaboration between affected countries and partners.
DJ, You CAN NOT stop pandemics with "only" vaccines...Ignoring CoViD immunity damage as a basis for lots of diseases getting much more hosts/room for spread is "unwise and unwelcome"....
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/raj.rajnarayanan/viz/ConvergentLineages-VariantSoup-World/G20 - https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/raj.rajnarayanan/viz/ConvergentLineages-VariantSoup-World/G20 or https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/raj.rajnarayanan/viz/ConvergentLineages-VariantSoup-World/G20
DJ, Just like Mpox, Flu, also CoViD is developing and finding ways around immunity...lots of other (new) diseases should be expected...but are simply ignored...Insane "politicians/warmongers" push the world towards extinction...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2024 at 7:11am
The worst part is that they’re now detecting infectious H5N1 in the air from ferrets infected with a 2022 polecat strain and a 2024 dairy farm worker strain.
This screams mammalian airborne adaptation.
Let’s be clear, we’re one mutation away from a human-to-human nightmare.
DJ, mammal-spread=human spread....just a matter of time...(NOT of mutation any longer...)
H5N1 in dairy cows persists in raw milk, on surfaces, and in wastewater, with slow viral decay in milk.
Contaminated dairy could become a direct, deadly transmission route to humans.
https://t.co/NkL3R9Ov3r -
Scientists who have studied https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 https://x.com/hashtag/birdflu?src=hashtag_click - #birdflu for years are flummoxed by the lack of severe cases among the 55 human cases the US has confirmed this year. I talked to lots to explore the theories of what's going on.
link; https://www.statnews.com/2024/12/02/bird-flu-h5n1-mild-cases-mystery/ - https://www.statnews.com/2024/12/02/bird-flu-h5n1-mild-cases-mystery/ or https://www.statnews.com/2024/12/02/bird-flu-h5n1-mild-cases-mystery/ ;
Researchers have also already rejected some other possibilities, including the notion that some of the 55 cases counted so far weren’t real cases, but rather instances in which some small load of H5N1 virus had nestled on the internal surfaces of people’s nostrils and been confirmed in testing. (This phenomenon has been https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2023.28.8.2300107 - debated in the past .) All the experts STAT asked insisted that these are true infections and ought to be counted as such, even if they don’t manifest with symptoms more commonly associated with influenza — coughing, lung congestion, fever, and the like.
DJ, So some farm workers may have "limited symptoms (eyes)" and virus residu in their nose-but may not be infected...Maybe the variants now spreading in cattle/poultry are not high risk for humans ?
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/study-warns-silent-spread-of-covid-19-is-more-extensive-than-thought-driven-by-asymptomatic-infections - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/study-warns-silent-spread-of-covid-19-is-more-extensive-than-thought-driven-by-asymptomatic-infections or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/study-warns-silent-spread-of-covid-19-is-more-extensive-than-thought-driven-by-asymptomatic-infections link to https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971221001867 - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971221001867 or https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971221001867 ;
Highlights
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The risk of asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 may be higher than anticipated.
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Asymptomatic cases made up 50% of a random sample of index cases.
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Infectivity rates were similar for asymptomatic and symptomatic index cases.
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Asymptomatic-to-asymptomatic transmission was the most common transmission.
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Middle-aged males were the most common transmitters of the virus.
DJ, Asymptomatic spread may NOT exclude long CoViD/immunity damage....Estimates on how many humans did catch CoViD go towards 4 billion+....lots of them more than once...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2024 at 11:18am
California reports 2 more human infections with https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 https://x.com/hashtag/birdflu?src=hashtag_click - #birdflu . Brings the state's total to 31 and the national total of confirmed human cases to 57. https://t.co/P9OzQduKsT - https://t.co/P9OzQduKsT -
A lot of research has been directed at looking for changes in the virus that would allow it to bind to - or replicate more efficiently in - mammalian hosts (including humans). And indeed, we've seen some mutations (PB2 E627K, PB2 T271A, PA-K142E, etc.) that may be factors.
But today we've a study, published in Nature, that takes a look at the dynamics of the shedding of the virus by the infected host, and its impact on transmission.
What they found was that ferrets infected with some newer clades of H5N1 shed (via exhalation) more of the virus than with older H5N1 clades. While it was not a huge increase, the authors write:
`. . . . recent A(H5N1) viruses exhibit a low but increased level of infectious virus shedding into the air as compared with older A(H5N1) viruses.'
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While there could someday be a single, well-defined, change to the H5N1 virus that propels it from being an epizootic to an epidemic virus, it is more likely that - if it ever happens - it will be because over enough time the right combination of changes had accrued.
And that means both on the transmitting, and the receiving end of the equation.
While the odds of stumbling upon that `right combination' are nearly astronomical, our passive `Don't test, don't tell' policy provides the virus with nearly unlimited opportunities to try new combinations.
Long odds, or not - we have to stay lucky 100% of the time - while virus only has to get lucky once.
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BREAKING:
California reports two new human cases of H5N1 bird flu, bringing the statewide total to 31.
60 cases have been reported nationwide this year.
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Confirmed human case summary during the 2024 outbreak, by state and exposure source: https://flutrackers.com/forum/filedata/fetch?id=1001493&d=1733165346">
DJ, US now has a record number of confirmed H5N1 human cases...(numbers may differ a bit).
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2024 at 11:14pm
DJ, While NATO is pushing the world towards global war-to save the US$- climate collapse and pandemics may go exponential...
Exponential is, "O no problem it is only 1% deathly"...now it is 2%, 4%, 8%, 16%, 32%, 64%, 100%....Lineair growth (1%, 2%, 3%, 4%) provides time...Exponential growth is collapse...
https://x.com/outbreakupdates - https://x.com/outbreakupdates or https://x.com/outbreakupdates
From Taiwan measles, New Zealand H7 in poultry to human spread of H5N1...
History tells us this is inevitable if we don’t act.
The 1957 H2N2 pandemic emerged from reassortment between human and avian influenza viruses, killing over a million people.
The 1968 H3N2 pandemic followed the same pattern.
Both of these viruses had to overcome significant barriers to infect humans, but once they did, the results were catastrophic.
H5N1 is already breaking down those barriers.
Its ability to bind to human cells and replicate efficiently means it’s closer than ever to making the jump.
And when it does, we won’t have time to react.
7/7
DJ, African Swine Fever active again... https://www.nationalhogfarmer.com/livestock-management/report-on-african-swine-fever-virus-strain-circulation-highlights-concerning-expansion - https://www.nationalhogfarmer.com/livestock-management/report-on-african-swine-fever-virus-strain-circulation-highlights-concerning-expansion or https://www.nationalhogfarmer.com/livestock-management/report-on-african-swine-fever-virus-strain-circulation-highlights-concerning-expansion
DJ-My non expert view; The African Swine Fever "pandemic in pigs" 2018-2020 -just before CoViD 19 became a global issue- may mean CoViD was a co-infection spreading in pigs then jumping to humans ????
Is it "politics" blaming/claiming" a China-Wuhan lab leak -even if CoViD was detected early 2019 a.o. in Africa ? https://www.coronaheadsup.com/science/origins/sars-cov-2-in-angola-from-23rd-september-2019/ - https://www.coronaheadsup.com/science/origins/sars-cov-2-in-angola-from-23rd-september-2019/ or https://www.coronaheadsup.com/science/origins/sars-cov-2-in-angola-from-23rd-september-2019/
NHS excess sickness absence continues to remain precisely dictated by the prevalence of Covid infections.
NHS England staff as a group took a staggering FIFTY PERCENT more sick days in July 2024 as July 2019.
DJ, CoViD does do damage to immunity...Older people may have a weaker immune response-vaccines can "help" to keep protection at some level...However over-reaction of immune response may bring very severe disease/auto-immune diseases...
Earlier infection with flu may offer (some) protection against H5N1...
DJ-The CoViD pandemic NEVER ENDED !!!! Mpox did get room for clade llb, later clade lb to spread-very likely linked to CoViD decrease of immunity (time indication...did it get any science study ???)
H5N1 has been around a few decades. It did kill people in Egypt, Indonesia...but remained limited and linked to spread via wild birds...H5N1 in farm birds was next-controlled by killing farm birds-tens of millions of farm birds....The last two years H5N1 did spread in mammals-most likely from eating infected other animals...
But if you do fail to control it...even without CoViD H5N1 would become a very major risk...
Again-H5N1 may NOT be the next pandemic-CoViD immunity damage very likely is...resulting in lots of diseases "going wild"!
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2024 at 10:24pm
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-ah/1001427-drc-kwango-several-deaths-due-to-an-epidemic-of-unknown-origin-reported-in-panzi?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-ah/1001427-drc-kwango-several-deaths-due-to-an-epidemic-of-unknown-origin-reported-in-panzi?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-ah/1001427-drc-kwango-several-deaths-due-to-an-epidemic-of-unknown-origin-reported-in-panzi?view=stream ;
DRC: Unknown disease kills dozens
John Kanyunyu | With agencies 3 minute(s) ago
The symptoms are similar to those of the flu.The epidemic is currently concentrated in the province of Kwango, in the west of the DRC.
An epidemic of unknown origin has caused dozens of deaths in the localities of Panzi, Kamucheke and Mukanza, in the province of Kwango, in the west of the Democratic Republic of Congo .
According to the province's vice-governor, Remy Saki, 143 deaths had been recorded as of December 2.
A team of health experts has been deployed to the site to take samples, which will be analyzed at the National Institute for Biomedical Research.
Listen to Vice Governor Remy Saki... (Audio in French)
Remy Saki explained to DW that the authorities have "sent a team to the site that is taking samples and raising awareness among the population about certain measures to be taken, so that the epidemic cannot become widespread. Among these measures, for example, immigration officials have been asked to be able to limit the movements of the population and also to record the entries and exits of the population, people who come from surrounding villages, but also to practice the barrier measures previously practiced during the coronavirus period. Wearing a nose mask is also required."
Do not touch corpses
The disease is said to resemble the flu. Symptoms can include fever, headache and cough. There is also an abnormal drop in the level of hemoglobin in the blood , according to the provincial Minister of Health, Apollinaire Yumba.
The latter advises the population to refrain from any contact with the corpses in order to avoid any contamination.
He launched a national and international appeal for the sending of medical equipment.
According to an anonymous source within the World Health Organization, the WHO has also dispatched a team to the field.
DJ...some sort of "bird flu"...not tested ?
Kwango: At least 67 people killed by an unknown disease in 2 weeks
Published on Tue, 03/12/2024 - 13:16 | Modified on Tue, 03/12/2024 - 13:16
Sixty-seven people died in the last two weeks of November from an as yet unidentified disease that is raging in the Panzi health zone, in Kwango province.
According to the provincial Minister of Health of Kwango, Apollinaire Yumba, who raised the alarm on December 3, children are the most affected.
Symptoms observed in patients include fever, headaches, cough, paleness and anemia, he said.
" For the moment, the provincial government has dispatched a team of epidemiological experts who arrived this morning in Panzi to assess the situation. But it should be noted that along the way, before they arrived at the central office of the zone, they found many deaths in the health areas in the villages, always caused by this disease ," the minister stressed.
DJ, Or is it "CoViD"-not tested ? The "new"(???) disease is spreading-since november (???) in SW-Congo-not far from the border with Angola.
From Mpox, CoViD, to lots of other diseases (HIV-AIDS) is widespread in "Africa". With in some areas 1 doctor per 100,000+ of population "keeping them poor" has to result in global health risks...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2024 at 12:29pm
Updated 2 human cases today...in what alternative universe are we living in? California and Vietnam.
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https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/flutrackers-high-pathogenic-h5n1-h1n08-h5n8-h5n6-h5n3-tracking-outbreaks-spread/749462-flutrackers-2016-global-h5n1-human-cases-list?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/flutrackers-high-pathogenic-h5n1-h1n08-h5n8-h5n6-h5n3-tracking-outbreaks-spread/749462-flutrackers-2016-global-h5n1-human-cases-list?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/flutrackers-high-pathogenic-h5n1-h1n08-h5n8-h5n6-h5n3-tracking-outbreaks-spread/749462-flutrackers-2016-global-h5n1-human-cases-list?view=stream
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https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/study-covid-can-trigger-changes-immune-system-may-underlie-persistent-symptoms - https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/study-covid-can-trigger-changes-immune-system-may-underlie-persistent-symptoms or https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/study-covid-can-trigger-changes-immune-system-may-underlie-persistent-symptoms ;
COVID-19 infection—even mild cases—can cause substantial long-term changes in the immune system that may be implicated in long COVID, concludes a new observational https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/all.16210 - by Medical University of Vienna (MUV) researchers published in Allergy.
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Rather than activation and expansion of certain effector memory cells, transitional B cells, and immature B cells called plasmablasts, the researchers found a significant reduction of adaptive immune cells, including T cells and B cells, at 10 months.
COVID-19 survivors also had significantly upregulated serum interleukin-4 (IL-4) levels and moderately upregulated IL-5 concentrations. Interferon-gamma levels, which were similar to those in the literature for controls and COVID-19 survivors at 10 weeks, had significantly declined by 10 months.
S- and RBD-specific immunoglobulin G antibodies were undetectable in nearly 18% and in more than 80% of the COVID-19 cohort, respectively, by 10 weeks and 10 months. "Moreover, more than 90% of patients lacked neutralizing antibody activity at 10 [months], implying that a large proportion of study subjects after their first infection lost protection from reinfection," the researchers wrote.
A damaged cellular immune system
The authors said the findings may indicate that survivors' immune systems aren't adequately responding to pathogens and may explain some long-COVID signs and symptoms. Long COVID, they added, is presumably caused by long-term impairment in the function of bone marrow, the main producer of immune cells.
DJ,Lots of discussion on level(s) of immunity damage and underlying factors (age, gender, previous disease).
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https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/identifying-long-covid-with-blood-based-mrna-signatures - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/identifying-long-covid-with-blood-based-mrna-signatures or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/identifying-long-covid-with-blood-based-mrna-signatures
California, Fresno County
Flu Surge Reported
Massive spike in “seasonal flu,” but most Type A cases weren’t subtyped.
If this were H5N1, would anyone even notice?
H5N1 UPDATE
California child who tested positive for H5N1 bird flu had same strain from dairy farm outbreak
The child had no contact with dairy cattle.
https://x.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hashtag_click - #BREAKING
DJ, "cattle-flu" spreading into other mammals (???)
H5N1 UPDATE
"It is possible that raw milk intended for pet consumption was sold to customers outside California"
DJ, If the spread is via raw milk it could still be controlled one may hope...
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/a-mid-week-snapshot-of-h5n1.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/a-mid-week-snapshot-of-h5n1.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/a-mid-week-snapshot-of-h5n1.html ;
The CDC has updated their https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/ - H5N1 case count this afternoon after California reported their 32nd case, bringing the CDC's total to 58 confirmed cases since last March. This number, however, has a large number of asterisks attached.
It does not include 4 cases confirmed by state labs but not by the CDC, nor does it include the https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/10/cdc-serology-results-on-missouri-h5.html - 2nd, strongly suspected case in Missouri , or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/mmwr-serologic-evidence-of-recent.html - the 8 asymptomatic and/or mild cases retrospectively identified by serological testing.
When you add in the https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/06/eid-journal-avian-influenza-ah5n1-virus.html - anecdotal reports of symptomatic farm workers who were never tested - and the MMWR report (see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/mmwr-serologic-evidence-of-recent.html - Serologic Evidence of Recent Infection with HPAI A(H5) Virus Among Dairy Workers ) which found 7% of exposed dairy farm workers in Michigan and Colorado had serologic evidence of infection with HPAI A(H5) - the actual numbers are likely to be far higher.
The USDA has also updated their number of infected dairy herds across the country, crossing the 700 mark nationally, and with 493 (70%) of those from California. Given the lack of nationwide mandatory testing, the actual number is thought to be much higher as well.
Only a handful of states (Arkansas, Colorado, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and Oklahoma) have elected to order mandatory bulk milk testing for the H5 virus. Due to a `Don't test, don't tell' policy in many states, the real extent of the spread of H5N1 in livestock is unknown.
The USDA has also released the last update for poultry outbreaks during the month of November, and that month closed out with nearly a 100-fold increase in poultry losses over last September.
Despite this heightened HPAI activity in poultry, dairy cattle, and humans the number of submissions by states to the USDA for wildlife detections has plummeted in recent months. After submitting nearly 200 cases between May and July,only 5 have been added in the past 90 days.
While I don't know what accounts for this sudden drop off in submissions, what is happening with the virus in wildlife is an important part of the avian flu puzzle, and we ignore it at our considerable peril.
Meanwhile - regardless of what rationale we use to dictate surveillance and reporting - H5N1 marches on.
DJ, For NOW !!! One still could claim "poultry litter as cattle food-cattle litter as poultry food" and raw milk, direct contact with infected animals are the main drivers in the US H5N1 explosion....
Realism indicates the US/Americs have hundreds of human H5N1 infections...Both cattle, raw milk, farm workers also ending up in Latin America...So far H5N1 human cases-in general- are mild...(The Canada case an exception..).
But H5N1 WILL MIX with other types of flu-co-spread with CoViD. This will increase excess deaths...
End of part 1
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2024 at 10:59pm
part 2,
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?time=2024-01-14..latest&country=USA~GBR~NLD~DEU~FRA - https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?time=2024-01-14..latest&country=USA~GBR~NLD~DEU~FRA or https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?time=2024-01-14..latest&country=USA~GBR~NLD~DEU~FRA
The longer term trend is excess deaths increasing...NL still very high level...UK excess deaths number strong increase (CoViD linked ?) ...so far US "high" but not yet increasing excess deaths...
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-ah/1001427-drc-kwango-several-deaths-due-to-an-epidemic-of-unknown-origin-reported-in-panzi?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-ah/1001427-drc-kwango-several-deaths-due-to-an-epidemic-of-unknown-origin-reported-in-panzi?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-ah/1001427-drc-kwango-several-deaths-due-to-an-epidemic-of-unknown-origin-reported-in-panzi?view=stream latest;
WHO is investigating mystery illness behind 12 dozen deaths in the Democratic Republic of the Congo
https://www.livescience.com/news - News By https://www.livescience.com/author/nicoletta-lanese - Nicoletta Lanese Between 67 and 143 people in the DRC have died of an unknown, flu-like disease, officials have said.
An unidentified, flu-like illness has killed dozens of people in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), according to news reports. The deaths were reported in the Kwango province, which is located in the southwestern portion of the country and shares a border with Angola to the south. Between Nov. 10 and Nov. 25, between 67 and 143 people died of the mystery illness in what's known as the Panzi health zone within the province, Rémy Saki, the deputy provincial governor, https://apnews.com/article/congo-unknown-disease-kwango-11c96d7073ae4a0bc8ef9b2575f8d226 - WHO currently has a team on the ground collecting samples for analysis, an anonymous WHO employee told the AP.
Apollinaire Yumba, the provincial health minister, told the AP that officials are advising the public to exercise caution and refrain from contact with dead bodies to avoid potential infection...
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.....The illness, which causes fever, headaches and a cough, has so far affected people of all ages.
The cases have occurred in the region of Panzi, which has limited health facilities and lies around 700km (435 miles) southeast of the capital, Kinshasa.
“An unknown public health event” detected since October 24 has “already caused the deaths of 27 people out of a total of 382 people affected”, the National Institute of Public Health said in a report dated late Tuesday and sent to AFP.....
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/drc-reports-of-fatal-mystery-disease-in.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/drc-reports-of-fatal-mystery-disease-in.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/drc-reports-of-fatal-mystery-disease-in.html ;While I'll report back when (and if) we find out what is behind this outbreak, those who wish to keep closer tabs on this story will want to follow the https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-ah/1001427-drc-kwango-several-deaths-due-to-an-epidemic-of-unknown-origin-reported-in-panzi - FluTrackers Thread.
DJ...In that part of DRC/Congo there may hardly be any basic infrastructure for healthcare at all...If it would be "flu-like" one would expect further spread both inside DRC and Angola...
One needs to test a lot of people. Will find a lot of diseases-most NOT "new" not the cause of the recent high number/"new outbreak"...it may be even that new counting methods do see people dying in higher numbers that were missed earlier...
In that case an investigation may NOT find a disease problem but an administration problem...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2024 at 11:17pm
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/vietnam-reports-18-year-old-male-being-infected-with-h5n1-avian-flu - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/vietnam-reports-18-year-old-male-being-infected-with-h5n1-avian-flu or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/vietnam-reports-18-year-old-male-being-infected-with-h5n1-avian-flu linked to infected poultry/wild bird spread. The 18 y/o developed pneumonia...
reports a new human https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 https://x.com/hashtag/birdflu?src=hashtag_click - #birdflu case in a person exposed to infected cows. This is the 32nd case CA has detected since its outbreak in cows was first spotted in late Aug. Confirmed national total = 58 cases this year.
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Variant update: LP.8 crushes the competitors also in Hong Kong going up to 30% in November from 5% in October.
Its advantage seems solid, the only alternative explanation for its success could be that it is giving birth to a wave somewhere (likely Philippines) and what we see 1/
2/ are multiple introductions from there ( while local lineages are flat for effect number of cases) .
I suspected the same when Kp.3.1.1 emerged in Spain but then it went dominating everywhere ( or at least in western countries)
DJ
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2024 at 10:45pm
H5N1 traditionally binds to avian receptors which are structurally different from human receptors.
This difference acts as a natural barrier preventing avian viruses from infecting humans.
Avian influenza viruses are adapted to the physiology of birds, including their respiratory tracts.
These viruses typically can’t thrive in the human respiratory tract’s temperature and pH.
New mutations (Gln226Leu and Asn224Lys) signal that this barrier is being breached.
The virus is now evolving the ability to bind human receptors, a crucial step toward infecting human cells effectively.
DJ, My goal on this -once a- forum is to make up my mind. Do I still stick to "new pandemic=immunity damage post CoViD" or is H5N1 "the new pandemic" in an early stage ?
I think immunity damage after CoViD may open "the doors" to lots of diseases...H5N1 will interact with other types of flu. CoViD is far from over...
We did see Mpox bringing surprises...clade llb in 2022 "limited spread", clade lb-2023 better in spreading...Small-pox left a gap Mpox may fill...
The DRC-Congo "mysterious flu-like disease" could even be CoVid in a hungry population in bad health...Weak hosts may need less virus exposure to get more ill...
However the DRC-Congo "disease" could be an agressive kind of flu...or a mix of diseases...(even mixed with bad population statistics. If there never was a civil administration on births and deaths introducing one could result in "crazy start up statistics". The healthissues very real but not new...).
This year did see high number of H5N1 cases in SE Asia (Cambodia/Vietnam) and extreme high number of human spread of H5N1 in the US. Still lots of countries fail to do good testing...Increased testing may bring detection of more cases...so "not testing is no problems"....
Of course the basic pandemic is total stupidity...profits matter more than human health-insanity...
End of part 1
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2024 at 10:59pm
part 2,
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/vietnam/1001823-vietnam-health-ministry-holds-emergency-meeting-following-4-a-h1n1pdm-influenza-related-deaths-in-b%C3%ACnh-%C4%91%E1%BB%8Bnh - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/vietnam/1001823-vietnam-health-ministry-holds-emergency-meeting-following-4-a-h1n1pdm-influenza-related-deaths-in-b%C3%ACnh-%C4%91%E1%BB%8Bnh or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/vietnam/1001823-vietnam-health-ministry-holds-emergency-meeting-following-4-a-h1n1pdm-influenza-related-deaths-in-b%C3%ACnh-%C4%91%E1%BB%8Bnh ;
Vietnam: Health ministry holds emergency meeting following 4 A/H1N1pdm influenza-related deaths in Bình Định
December 05, 2024 - 10:12 Viet Nam News
BÌNH ĐỊNH — The Ministry of Health's Department of Medical Examination and Treatment Management reported that an urgent virtual meeting was held late Wednesday following the confirmation of four influenza-related deaths in the south-central province of Bình Định.
Chaired by Dr Nguyễn Trọng Khoa, Deputy Director of the department, the meeting included representatives from the Bình Định Department of Health, Bình Định General Hospital where the severe and fatal cases of influenza A/H1N1pdm were treated, and leading health experts from various fields nationwide, in order to address the situation and determine necessary actions.
Bình Định Province’s Department of Health reported that as of November 26, 2024, the province had recorded 842 cases of influenza.
Among these, 26 cases involved severe pneumonia suspected to be of viral origin. Laboratory testing identified ten cases positive for influenza A/H1N1pdm, one case positive for influenza B, nine negative cases and six cases with results still pending. ...
and https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-ah/1001427-drc-kwango-several-deaths-due-to-an-epidemic-of-unknown-origin-reported-in-panzi-november-30-2024?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-ah/1001427-drc-kwango-several-deaths-due-to-an-epidemic-of-unknown-origin-reported-in-panzi-november-30-2024?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-ah/1001427-drc-kwango-several-deaths-due-to-an-epidemic-of-unknown-origin-reported-in-panzi-november-30-2024?view=stream (latests) ;
The minister raised the possibility that this disease is linked to a particularly virulent seasonal flu, exacerbated by the vulnerability of local populations, often affected by malnutrition and other comorbidities.
"We are in the seasonal flu period, which extends from October to March. It is possible that we are dealing with a severe form of flu affecting a population weakened by malnutrition and anemia. The observed mortality rates, around 7.8%, do not correspond to the profile of Covid-19, but we remain cautious in our analyses," he added.
To better understand and control this epidemic, the government has mobilized experts, including epidemiologists, laboratory technicians and provincial doctors, in collaboration with the National Institute of Biomedical Research (INRB). The minister, however, wanted to be reassuring: "We believe that this is a phenomenon that we will be able to contain locally, once we have identified the exact cause." The minister also stressed that 61% of children in Kwango province suffer from malnutrition, which could worsen the effects of this disease. Roger Kamba reminded the population of the importance of observing basic hygiene rules to limit the spread of the epidemic. Grace Guka
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He also said the disease just affected Katenda, another nearby health zone
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The health experts that were dispatched must have carried some rapid tests for flu and covid to a respiratory disease investigation.
DJ, First testing may bring-limited-results within minutes-on an individual basis...However to get a realistic view on what is happening in an outbreak with hundreds of cases a "simple CoViD test" can be of limited use...(So-YES-they may use rapid CoViD testing-in part to find out what risks the staff may be running...what kind of protection is needed).
End of part 2
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2024 at 11:22pm
part 3, -just to put things in a wider perspective; the "west" still denying a genocide in Gaza, still pushing for 18-25 y/o to die in the UKraine war, climate "temperature rise still under 1,5C"-by pushing a baseline up to 1900 and going for a 10 year average...
The UK had at least some investigation into the start of the CoViD pandemic, with bojo partying during lock downs...
confirms 11 more https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 https://x.com/hashtag/birdflu?src=hashtag_click - #birdflu infected dairy herds in the Golden State. Brings CA's total to 504 herds and the cumulative national total to 718 in 15 states.
https://t.co/2BioBG0wUw -
Wild birds spreading H5N1 into wild/farm animals/mammals is a second route-worldwide...The main route-so far- in SE Asia for H5N1..
Paper just out in Science. We are one mutation away from Human-to-Human transmission of https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 https://x.com/hashtag/birdflu?src=hashtag_click - #birdflu
We are so screwed...
DJ, My non expert opinion-this may be even an OPTIMISTIC view ! H5N1 seems to be aerosol spreading between mammals...we may not even need that one extra mutation...
Link; https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt0180 - https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt0180 or https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt0180 ;
One barrier for transmission of avian viruses to humans is a mismatch in the receptor specificity of the HA that binds sialic acid receptors ( https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt0180#core-R33 - ). The HA of avian influenza viruses recognizes “avian-type” receptors with sialic acid in an α2-3 linkage (Neu5Acα2-3Gal). By contrast, the HA of human viruses recognizes “human-type” receptors with sialic acid in an α2-6 linkage (Neu5Acα2-6Gal), which are abundantly expressed in the upper human airway ( https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt0180#core-R34 - ). Acquisition of human-type receptor specificity is believed to be required for human-to-human transmission of influenza virus and is one of the major factors considered by the CDC for pandemic risk of a novel animal strain ( https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt0180#core-R33 - , https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt0180#core-R35 - , https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt0180#core-R36 - ).
DJ, Humans have several kinds of receptors. The human eye has a same kind of receptor as cow udders-so part of cattle/farm worker spread may be via human eyes...Resulting in an eye infection-not spreading much further...
A new study suggests https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 https://x.com/hashtag/birdflu?src=hashtag_click - #birdflu circulating in cows might have an easier path to adapting to humans than previous versions of the virus. One mutation changed the receptors to which the virus binds from those in birds to those found in human upper airways. https://t.co/JduiQpQdt0 -
End of part 3
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2024 at 12:39pm
The H5N1 outbreaks in the U.S. are no longer isolated incidents
Human cases in California and Missouri appear to share the same clade, B3.13.
This link raises the possibility of a novel transmission pathway.
Milk products.
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Both cases are classified as “unknown origin” since there is no evidence of direct exposure to poultry, which is the traditional reservoir for H5N1 in humans.
This lack of an avian connection points to a new, potentially mammalian host.
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The detection of B3.13 in two states separated by over 1,500 miles points to a virus that may already be circulating beyond localized clusters.
The virus is not limited to isolated spillover events from birds but could be spreading through a shared pathway.
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The B3.13 clade represents a genetically stable form of H5N1.
The appearance of the same clade in different regions implies a SHARED risk factor.
This could involve infected livestock, contaminated food distribution systems, or an undetected vector facilitating human exposure to H5N1.
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A single clade being responsible for multiple cases increases the likelihood of a transmissible variant.
If B3.13 is capable of infecting humans across different locations and without direct exposure to birds, it signals that the virus may be adapting for broader human infectivity.
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If the sequence from the infected toddler aligns with yesterday’s GISAID update, it points to a virus that is genetically intact and stable.
This stability means an evolutionary process that allows the virus to replicate efficiently and maintain its structure in a host environment.
This is particularly alarming when that host is a mammal.
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A match between the toddler’s sequence and the GISAID upload would indicate enough stability to infect humans without direct avian exposure.
H5N1 may already be circulating through alternative pathways, such as milk or other dairy products, with indirect human exposure.
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A match between the toddler’s sequence and the GISAID upload would indicate enough stability to infect humans without direct avian exposure.
H5N1 may already be circulating through alternative pathways, such as milk or other dairy products, with indirect human exposure.
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What are the implications for global trade if dairy cattle are confirmed as a reservoir?
has confirmed California toddler had H5N1 (2.3.4.4b).
They DONT say if it was an Avian (D1.1) or Bovine (B3.13) virus. This is CRITICALLY important.
The only other US case with H5N1 and NO animal contact had the Bovine virus (Missouri). The mode of infection remains a mystery.
Confirmation of Bovine virus in the toddler will raise the possibility of milk contamination , or H2H spread.
JUST IN
H5 bird flu was just detected at three wastewater sites in Iowa.
The real kicker?
No active outbreaks have been reported in the state’s dairy herds or poultry farms.
The virus is circulating undetected.
DJ, lots of indications for (limited ?) a-symptomatic spread in mammals (and humans ???)
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2024 at 12:48pm
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/woah-statement-high-pathogenicity-avian.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/woah-statement-high-pathogenicity-avian.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/woah-statement-high-pathogenicity-avian.html ;
The https://www.woah.org/ - World Organisation for Animal Health (WOAH) has released their first update on HPAI H5 in cattle since https://www.woah.org/en/high-pathogenicity-avian-influenza-in-cattle/ - their initial statement last May . Whereas the original statement said HPAI `is raising concerns within the international community', today's statement takes a more direct stance, saying:
The ongoing threat of high pathogenicity avian influenza (HPAI) demands urgent global attention as it transcends its avian origins to affect domestic and wild mammals with increasing frequency.
Although the HPAI H5 virus still lacks the ability to spread efficiently between humans, nearly every week brings new revelations about its evolution, or new milestones in its spread.
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WOAH calls on its Members to:
Increase avian influenzasurveillancein domestic and wild birds.
Enhancesurveillance for early detection in cattle population in countries where HPAI is known to be circulating.
IncludeHPAI as a differential diagnosis in non-avian species, including cattle and other livestock populations, with high risk of exposure to HPAI viruses, in particular:
Animals showing clinical signs compatible with avian influenza;
Sick or dead domestic animals near HPAI affected premises;
Suspected, including apparently healthy animals, that have been exposed to or epidemiologically linked to suspected or confirmed HPAI in birds or cattle (i.e. situated in HPAI high-risk areas or in areas where avian influenza has been confirmed).
Notifycases of HPAI in all animal species, including cattle or other unusual hosts, to WOAH through its https://wahis.woah.org/#/home - World Animal Health Information System (WAHIS). Genetic sequences of avian influenza viruses should be shared in publicly available databases.
Implementpreventive and early response measures to break the HPAI transmission cycle among animals. This includes applying movement restrictions of infected livestock holdings until infection has stopped and strict biosecurity measures in all holdings, in particular in milking parlours andemploygood production and hygiene practices when handling animal products. Raw milk or raw milk products from HPAI infected cows or exposed to those infected with HPAI should not be used to feed animals or for human consumption.
Protecthumans in close contact with or handling sick cattle or other sick livestock and their products. Exposed humans should always takeprecautionary measuresto avoid getting infected and minimise the risk to mechanically carrying the virus to livestock or companion animals. This should include wearing personal protective equipment, avoiding visiting other livestock premises after the exposure and implementing standard food safety measures when handling animal products from exposed livestock.
Avoidimplementing unjustified trade restrictions. Import risk management measures should be scientifically justified and in line with the WOAH International Standards.
Technical guidelines for the adaptation of diagnostic tests for Influenza A in animals including cattle and other species as well as different types of samples such as milk and nasal swabs are available in the OFFLU website and will be regularly updated.
WOAH is fully committed to supporting its Members to mitigate the risks associated with avian influenza. We will continue to engage with our networks of experts, OFFLU, as well as public and private partners, notably through the One Health Quadripartite and the Global Framework for Transboundary Animal Diseases (GF-TADs ) to provide technical updates as more information becomes available.
DJ, "saving the economy" has gone beyond insanity...
https://x.com/hashtag/Flu?src=hashtag_click - #Flu activity is starting to pick up, folks. Anyone who's been waiting to get a flu shot should get cracking.
The number of regions reporting low or minimal activity to
https://x.com/CDCgov - @CDCgov
is declining, the number reporting moderate or greater activity is rising. https://t.co/TED6mASaqp -
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2024 at 10:53pm
JUST IN
H5N1 virus infection detected in horses in Mongolia.
DJ, the "good news" is it was at least detected and reported...Did it spread from wild birds into a limited number of horses ? Did the horses eat grass/food with contaminated bird droppings ? Did the virus mutate enough to show up in horses ?
How much mammals living in the wild are H5N1 positive ? How much of it is linked to eating infected bird(products)...how much mammal-to-mammal spread is there already in mammals ? South American sea mammals may indicate M2M spread in 2023...
How did a CO dairy herd that was released from quarantine get infected with https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 https://x.com/hashtag/birdflu?src=hashtag_click - #birdflu again?
"We do not believe that this was a new introduction of the virus, but we are unable to confirm this through whole genome sequencing at this time," a CDA spox tells me.
Someone is asking the important questions here.
This points to a failure to eradicate the virus entirely.
The reinfection may be linked to residual viral contamination in the environment, latent infection within the herd, or incomplete biosecurity measures.
DJ, If feeding cattle poultry litter -with H5N1 virus- is part of the US problem, repeating feeding infected poultry litter will return H5N1 in cattle...
H5N1 UPDATE - HUMAN CASE
Arizona reports it’s first HUMAN cases of H5N1 bird flu.
DJ, feeding cattle poultry litter/poultry cattle litter may be a US-specific insanity...Could explain why the US is now in a H5N1 epidemic...There must be some spread via farm workers, export of cattle...A few other countries may use "droppings" as low cost/high quality food...However the main reason why a.o. Europe is not reporting (a lot of) human H5N1 infections very likely is we do not have (that many) H5N1 in humans...Isolated cases may be bird-to-human spread...Very isolated cat/pet/swine-eating infected bird(product) risk...
In SE Asia H5N1 also is very active-but linked to (farm)birds..
End of part 1
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2024 at 11:07pm
part 2,
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/arizona-dept-of-health-reports-2-human.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/arizona-dept-of-health-reports-2-human.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/arizona-dept-of-health-reports-2-human.html ;
A little less than 3 weeks ago the https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/arizona-reports-their-1st-h5n1-outbreak.html - State of Arizona announcedtheir first H5N1 outbreak in commercial poultry a large egg-producing facility in Pinal County (which lies south Phoenix and north of Tucson).
Late today, we got an announcement from https://directorsblog.health.azdhs.gov/ - Arizona State Health Department of 2 associated human infections (reportedly treated and recovered).
These cases are not currently reflected in the https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/index.html - CDC's case count, and it is not clear whether they have been confirmed by that agency.
DJ...so NOT reporting human cases when detected but after treatment...
PHOENIX- The Arizona Department of Health Services is reporting the first human H5 cases in Arizona. Both individuals were exposed to infected poultry while working at a commercial facility in Pinal County. These individuals reported mild symptoms, received treatment and recovered.
DJ...again H5N1 is just one of many increasing risks...We did see two forms of Mpox going global..Lots of other healthissues getting worse...A basic step has to be to monitor/report it...but even that is failing...
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/1001958-cidrap-who-deploys-expert-team-to-dr-congo-to-assist-with-undiagnosed-outbreak-probe?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/1001958-cidrap-who-deploys-expert-team-to-dr-congo-to-assist-with-undiagnosed-outbreak-probe?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/1001958-cidrap-who-deploys-expert-team-to-dr-congo-to-assist-with-undiagnosed-outbreak-probe?view=stream ;
Undiagnosed illnesses trigger illness monitoring in travelers
The outbreak in the DRC and reports of a potential respiratory component has led to heightened awareness of illness symptoms in travelers in some locations outside of Africa.
Hong Kong’s https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/202412/05/P2024120500492.htm - Centre for Health Protection (CHP) said yesterday that it has stepped up screening for travelers arriving from two travel hubs where travelers from the DRC typically originate: Johannesburg, South Africa, and Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.
Yesterday https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/12/05/university-hospitals-patient-under-isolation-after-arriving-democratic-republic-congo/ - media outlets in Ohio reported that a patient who had traveled from Tanzania to Cleveland had been isolated and hospitalized at UH St. John Medical Center for evaluation of flulike illness.
Today hospital officials said the patient’s condition is considered routine and that the individual is not in isolation anymore, https://x.com/BNOFeed/status/1865089923088363867 - BNO News reported, citing a statement from the health facility.
DJ, repeating "remote area, population in general bad health, disease spreading" is not a solution...
It also says something about what it means for an illness to be "flu-like", that diagnoses for this event have ranged from COVID to Ebola, from seasonal flu to malaria, and from measles to meningitis. Until you actually run the laboratory tests, you don't know much at all.
DJ...a possible problem may be a lot of testing is positive...people HAVE flu AND CoViD AND Malaria...but it is unclear what did change...(again maybe administration did change ? Poor people die in high numbers...).
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DJ, H5N1 may develop into lots of different subtypes...making detection/prevention harder...It WILL mix with other types of flu...(and in theory that does not have to translate in a higher Case Fatality Ratio...).
End of part 2
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2024 at 12:15pm
MPOX DEATHS - AFRICA
“If we compare from the 1st week of January to the final week of November 2024, we have an increase of more than 716 % (compared to the entire 2023). If we continue like this, by the end of December, we will have more than 800 % increase”
H5N1 UPDATE - HUMAN CASE
California is investigating a possible H5N1 bird flu case in a child.
Exposure to the pathogen is unknown.
and;
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/1001987-california-marin-county-investigating-possible-case-of-bird-flu-h5n1-december-6-2024 - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/1001987-california-marin-county-investigating-possible-case-of-bird-flu-h5n1-december-6-2024 or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/1001987-california-marin-county-investigating-possible-case-of-bird-flu-h5n1-december-6-2024 ;
California - Marin County Investigating Possible Case of Bird Flu H5N1 - December 6, 2024
Public Health Status Update 12/6/24
Since March 2024, Marin County Public Health (MCPH) has been monitoring the https://www.marinhhs.org/h5n1-bird-flu - H5N1 bird flu outbreak . The virus is now widely circulating among wild birds, poultry, and livestock across California. On November 27, the California Department of Public Health (CDPH) issued https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR24-044.aspx - another warning against consuming raw milk products after the bird flu virus was found in retail samples and bulk tank milk at a raw milk processing facility. Today the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) announced the start of a https://www.aphis.usda.gov/news/agency-announcements/usda-builds-actions-protect-livestock-public-health-h5n1-avian-influenza - National Milk Testing Strategy . Sporadic human infections with bird flu are expected during an outbreak. Last month, the Alameda County Public Health Department (ACPHD) confirmed a bird flu case with an unknown source of exposure. Last week MCPH began investigating a possible bird flu case in a child and is working with the California Department of Public Health (CDPH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to determine how the child may have been exposed.
This sounds like a done deal because they are investigating the source of the infection? I will add to our list as pending.
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https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/eid-journal-evidence-of-influenza-ah5n1.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/eid-journal-evidence-of-influenza-ah5n1.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/eid-journal-evidence-of-influenza-ah5n1.html ;
While `conventional wisdom' is that horses are generally only susceptible to equine H3N8 (and previously H7N7), we've previously seen evidence that horses - and other equids - are susceptible to H5N1, and likely other novel flu viruses.
In 2010's https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2010/04/egypt-h5n1-isolated-in-donkeys.html - Egypt: H5N1 Isolated In Donkeys , we saw evidence of a spillover of H5N1 from poultry to donkeys, while a 2013 paper ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24498821/ - Sero-prevalence of avian influenza in animals and human in Egypt ) cited the seroprevalence of H5N1 in horses and donkeys ranged from 22.55% (ELISA) to 23.75% (HI).
As with early evidence of the susceptibility of cattle to H5N1 (see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/03/a-brief-history-of-influenza-in.html - A Brief History Of Influenza A In Cattle/Ruminants ), this information was treated more as an aberration or a scientific curiosity than a threat.
Which helps to explain why it took months before American veterinarians even thought of testing sick cattle for H5N1.
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It seems that every time we actually look, we find HPAI H5 in unexpected places.
Unfortunately, there is little appetite for looking for the virus in livestock - particularly if the infection is sub clinical - since any positive finding could result in economic losses for a farm, or even an entire industry.
Of course, we could get lucky, and find that H5N1 isn't capable of sparking a pandemic. But if we aren't willing to look for the most obvious threat, what else are we missing?
DJ, we are not willing to invest money to find out unwelcome risks...By the time those risks explode it may be we are out of time to contain the problem...
Mpox, H5-flu, CoViD...does not look good !
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2024 at 10:04pm
DJ, Maybe as part of an overview; US now has highest number of people testing positive for H5N1 in the H5N1 history...HOWEVER no one died...so far the US H5N1 outbreak "looks" mild...
Mpox cases-for now-could be more of a risk, measles...CoViD still infecting over a million people per day...CoViD-immunity damage -for the human species- by now very major...
Since CoViD is widespread in other mammals all kinds of diseases there are a growing risk for humans...We fail to even "start stopping" this risk-just like humans totally fail in dealing with climate collapse...Socio-economic inequality in human history NEVER was as bad as it is now...0,1% claiming more or less they own the planet...INSANE !
But "we" are NOT willing to face the facts...
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/an-overview-of-significant-hpai-h5.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/an-overview-of-significant-hpai-h5.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/an-overview-of-significant-hpai-h5.html ;
Twenty-eight days, and 66 blog entries ago, https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/a-review-of-significant-hpai-h5-related.html - we took a look back at the previous 3 weeks of rapid-fire developments surrounding HPAI H5, and on several fronts the pace has only quickened since then.
Admittedly, H5N1 isn't the only threat we are concerned with (see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/drc-reports-of-fatal-mystery-disease-in.html - DRC `Mystery Virus' investigation ), but it is the most pressing, and currently the closest to home.
Over the past 4 weeks:
The number of confirmed H5 human cases in the U.S. has increased by 12, to 58 (with several more announced by states, but not yet confirmed by the CDC.) If you count serologically confirmed cases (the CDC doesn't) - and those in the pipeline - we are well over 70 cases.
The number of https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/hpai-confirmed-cases-livestock - known infected dairy herds has grown from 473 to > 720 (a 65% increase), and a 16th State (Nevada) is now reporting cases.
Over the past 4 weeks more than https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/commercial-backyard-flocks - 9 million birds from 78 flocks across 8 states have been infected (and lost) due to H5N1 in the United States, and Canada has reported > 50 outbreaks in poultry.
https://coronavirus.marinhhs.org/public-health-status-update-12062024 - According to the Marin County Health Dept. they are investigating a second Bay Area child with suspected H5 infection, and currently no known risk exposure. If confirmed, this would become the 3rd `community' case, not linked to occupational exposure.
Hawaii reported https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/hawaii-dept-of-health-statement-on.html - H5 in wastewater samples on Nov 13th , and at least https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/hawaii-dept-of-agriculture-2nd.html - two outbreaks in captive and/or wild birds the following week, marking the first known detections in that state.
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And those are just the highlights. We also saw evidence of https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/eid-journal-evidence-of-influenza-ah5n1.html - H5N1 spillover into horses, https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/woah-statement-high-pathogenicity-avian.html - WOAH's updated statement on H5N1 in Cattle , the USDA's belated Federal order to https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/woah-statement-high-pathogenicity-avian.html - Begin a National Milk Testing Strategy for Avian Flu , among others.
While the trends are ominous, we still don't know if H5N1 is capable of adapting well enough to humans to spark a pandemic. Of course, by the time we have proof positive, it will be too late to act.
Which is why last weekend I urged that my readers begin to prepare as if another pandemic may be in the offing (see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/a-personal-pre-pandemic-plan.html - A Personal Pre-Pandemic Plan ).
Hopefully we'll get lucky, and won't have to face another one for years.
But a little preparedness today could go a long ways towards mitigating a crisis tomorrow.
DJ, and again H5N1 is part of a much wider problem. CoViD is still very widespread, Mpox is developing, climate collapse escalating and "politics" going for more wars...
The "new pandemic" in my view will be a "mega-mix" of diseases without a good immunity defense against a background of climate disasters, wars, economic crises...
We have to do better !
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2024 at 5:17am
DJ, Pandemic triangle;
disease---transport---host
For "bird flu" birds provide most transport...
Hosts do have lots of "immunity" background...receptors in part gender-linked (males a.o. more ACE-2 receptors).
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/eid-journal-influenza-ah5n1-virus-clade.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/eid-journal-influenza-ah5n1-virus-clade.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/eid-journal-influenza-ah5n1-virus-clade.html ;
Although the 60+ H5N1 cases reported in the United States in 2024 have all been mild, in many other parts of the world different incarnations (subtypes, clades, or genotypes) of the HPAI H5 virus have not been so benign.
In Cambodia, we've seen https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/09/who-update-on-cambodian-h5n1-cases.html - 18 human H5N1 infections (clade 2.3.2.1c) reported since early 2023, with nearly a 40% fatality rate. And as we've seen previously with other incarnations of HPAI H5N1, https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/07/cambodia-reports-7th-h5n1-case-of-2024.html - Children and adolescents have been the hardest hit .
While in China, https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/07/hk-chp-monitoring-another-fatal-h5n6.html - more than 90 clade 2.3.4.4 H5N6 infections have been reported over the past decade (likely an undercount) with a greater than 50% fatality rate.
Although the reasons aren't fully understood, there can be https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2012/04/differences-in-virulence-between.html - huge differences in the virulence of closely related H5 viruses. In British Columbia, https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/canada-phac-confirms-hpai-h5n1-genotype.html - a teenager remains in critical condition after more than a month following infection with an H5N1 D1.1 genotype, similar to that which mildly infected > a dozen poultry workers in Washington State.
There may also be host differences at work; age, vaccination and previous influenza exposures, preexisting conditions, etc.
As a segmented virus with 8 largely interchangeable parts, the flu virus is like a viral LEGO (TM) set which allows for the creation of new subtypes - and within each subtype - variants called genotypes.
There are already well over 100 H5N1 genotypes circulating in North America.
The waxing and waning of H5 outbreaks in places like Indonesia, Vietnam, Egypt - and even globally - over the years is largely due to the virus's continual genetic reorganization. Some of these generated variants are simply more transmissible, or more virulent, than others.
Last April, in - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/04/fao-statement-on-reassortment-between.html - FAO Statement On Reassortment Between H5N1 Clade 2.3.4.4b & Clade 2.3.2.1c Viruses In Mekong Delta Region - we learned that a new genotype - made up of an older clade (2.3.2.1c) and the newer 2.3.4.4b clade of H5N1 - had emerged in Southeast Asia.
After a lull of nearly a decade, this `new' genotype appears to have sparked a resurgence of H5N1 in Southeast Asia, with reports coming from both Cambodia and Vietnam.
Last May Australia reported their first H5N1 case (see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/05/australia-victoria-reports-imported.html - Australia: Victoria Reports Imported H5N1 Case (ex India) ) in a 2 year-old child who recently traveled from India. The virus was originally identified as an older H5N1 clade https://gisaid.org/phylogeny-influenza/influenza-h5nx/ - 2.3.2.1a virus, which is https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/influenza/who-influenza-recommendations/vcm-southern-hemisphere-recommendation-2024/202309_zoonotic_vaccinvirusupdate.pdf?sfvrsn=e78676a0_5 - known to circulate in poultry in Bangladesh and India .
Last week the CDC's EID Journal published a dispatch which reveals this older clade was actually - much like the example above from Cambodia - a new genotype, with contributions from newer clade 2.3.4.4b viruses.
Since new genotypes can abruptly alter the behavior of a virus, they are important to monitor and analyse.
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Although the history of H5Nx over the past 2+ decades has been one of sharp advances, followed by slow retreats, the HPAI H5 virus has continued to consistently gain ground over time, as well as expand its diversity.
Between 1997 and 2004, H5N1 was strictly a Southeast Asia problem.
Between 2004 and 2012 it had expanded its range to Europe, Africa, and the Middle East
In 2014 it diversified into H5N6 in China and as H5N8 in South Korea
In 2014, as H5N8, it made it to North America for the first time, then vanished
In 2016, H5N8 made it to Europe, and in 2017 it make its way into the Southern Hemisphere
And since 2021, as H5N1 it has conquered North and South America, and made inroads into Antarctica
Where H5Nx goes from here is anyone's guess. While some genotypes or subtypes may lose virulence, others may gain it. Some variants will thrive, while others will fall by the wayside. The virus we see tomorrow may look quite different from the virus we see today.
The only thing we can say with any certainty is the virus continues to evolve, and that its current trajectory is still on the upswing.
We ignore it at our own considerable risk.
DJ, H5 is one problem, H7 types of flu may also bring surprises...ON TOP of other healthissues...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2024 at 11:59pm
H5N1 - NEW AGGRESSIVE STRAIN
A new strain of bird flu has been detected in Iowa.
"This is a separate wild bird strain," Naig says. "It's not the dairy strain, and it's not the previous poultry strain. So, it's new and it's quite aggressive."
Mike Naig is the state's Agriculture Secretary, and he says they're expecting more.
The moment H5N1 sustains human-to-human transmission is the point of no return.
The scientific and public health community must treat D1.1 as a high-risk genotype on the brink of human adaptation.
DJ, "good news" it was detected, "bad news" getting even closer to being able to better spread...
was unable to confirm the 2 cases of https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 https://x.com/hashtag/birdflu?src=hashtag_click - #birdflu from Arizona. This can happen if there isn't a lot of virus in a sample.
CDC has listed them as "probable" cases, along with 4 cases from CA & WA where samples were positive in state labs, but negative for CDC. https://t.co/uMOjhfcZPn -
Of course it comes on top of flu-season/CoViD ongoing pandemic etc.
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2024 at 10:27pm
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/emerg-microbes-inf-marked-neurotropism.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/emerg-microbes-inf-marked-neurotropism.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/emerg-microbes-inf-marked-neurotropism.html ;
Emerg. Microbes & Inf.: Marked Neurotropism and Potential Adaptation of H5N1 Clade 2.3.4.4.b Virus in Naturally Infected Domestic Cats
Cats As Potential Vectors/Mixing Vessels for Novel Flu
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With highly mutable influenza viruses the only constant is change, and HPAI H5 is no exception.
Over the past two decades we've watched as it has repeatedly reinvented itself, generating numerous subtypes (H5N1, H5N2, H5N5, H5N6, H5N8, etc.), dozens of subclades (2.2, 2.3.2.1a, 2.3.4.4b, etc.) and literally hundreds of genotypes (B3.13, D1.1, D1.2, etc.).
Most of these variants have fallen by the wayside, unable to compete with more `biologically fit' versions of the virus. But this winnowing process has also led to a far-more-capable group of viruses circulating today than 10 or 15 years ago.
Starting in 2020 we began to see a new subclade (2.3.4.4b) begin to spread globally, carried by a wider range of avian hosts (see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2022/07/defra-unprecedented-order-shift-in-wild.html - DEFRA: The Unprecedented `Order Shift' In Wild Bird H5N1 Positives In Europe & The UK ).
While we'd seen sporadic spillover of HPAI to non-human mammals (primarily cats), starting in 2021 we began to see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/11/emerg-microb-inf-high-number-of-hpai-h5.html - reports of numerous spillovers into a much wider range of mammals .
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Also of concern, in many cases these mammalian infections presented with severe neurological manifestations, to the point that many H5 infected animals were initially suspected to be rabid (see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2021/10/cdc-eid-journal-encephalitis-and-death.html - CDC EID Journal: Encephalitis and Death in Wild Mammals at An Animal Rehab Center From HPAI H5N8 - UK ).
Over the past 9 months we've seen yet another seismic shift, with livestock (dairy cows, goats, alpacas, pigs, and even horses) - previously assumed immune - now susceptible to infection.
And since March of this year, we've seen an unprecedented surge in (mostly mild) human infections with the H5N1 virus in the United States. While the CDC only https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/ - lists 58 confirmed cases, the real number (based on serological tests and anecdotal reports) suggests a much higher number.
This continued evolution, increased host range, and extrapulmonary spread in mammalian hosts is a genuine concern, as we really don't know what this H5 virus will do next.
All of which brings us to a new research article, published yesterday in Emerging Microbes & Infections, that looks at a spillover of HPAI H5N1 earlier this year to a house full of domestic cats, all of which died, many with severe neurological symptoms.
The authors also document a number of potentially significant mutations in these cats, along with demonstrating their ability to serve as a potential `mixing vessel' for influenza.
DJ, how "bird flu" is developing-the role of cats in the process as a bridge between other mammals and humans in spreading flu...Other animals also may end up in such a position...The basic problem is hardly any testing...
BREAKING:
China reports 2 new human cases of H9N2 bird flu, according to the Centre for Health Protection.
DJ, H5N1 itself has different sub-groups "clades"...over 100 "clades"...The H5 "group" goes to H5N2, H5N6, H5N8 also showing up in humans...Then there are also "high(er) risk" H7 and H9 types of flu...All in the A-type of flu...
Humans are known to also catch B-flu-bringing disease...C and D types of flu are supposed to not harm humans (so far)...
Again...flu is just one of many diseases (like measles, Mpox, CoViD) getting much more room because of massive decrease in human/mammal immunity...
"Diseases are going exponential" , excess deaths, hospital capacity in use may give indications on how fast and bad it all will become...
H5N1 will most likely mix with "old" human flu (H1N1, H3N2, H2N2...) so it is INCORRECT to expect H5N1 is "the problem" it is only a very small part of a gigantic problem...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2024 at 6:20am
I’m getting more and more messages like this one.
It’s extremely concerning.
https://x.com/outbreakupdates/status/1866969159902626296 - https://x.com/outbreakupdates/status/1866969159902626296 or https://x.com/outbreakupdates/status/1866969159902626296
The post has a person from MA reporting 6 cases of very likely human H5N1 cases-not getting any testing-link with poultry...And even the X/twitter post getting deleted...
DJ, Maybe underlining the major problem "we do not want to know"....
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H5 bird flu was found in wastewater in Flagstaff, Arizona, according to KNAU.
The state doesn't have any active outbreaks of bird flu in dairy cows, and becomes the 12th state to have bird flu virus currently in its wastewater.
So where does the H5N1 come from-if there are "no active outbreaks" ?
JUST IN: H5N1 IN HORSES
"The infections have been going undetected and comes as the recent emergence and rapid spread of avian flu in cows in the US has raised concerns for wider viral spread."
MRC-University of Glasgow Centre for Virus Research
(DJ-Copy from X creates a mess...please read under the mess)
JUST IN: H5N1 IN HORSES
"The infections have been going undetected and comes as the recent emergence and rapid spread of avian flu in cows in the US has raised concerns for wider viral spread."
MRC-University of Glasgow Centre for Virus Research
Stunning: 58 new https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 https://x.com/hashtag/birdflu?src=hashtag_click - #birdflu infected herds in California confirmed by
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2024 at 1:50am
part 1,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic ;
Throughout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_history - human history , there have been a number of pandemics of diseases such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox - smallpox . The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death - Black Death , caused by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_%28disease%29 - Plague , caused the deaths of up to half of the population of Europe in the 14th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic#cite_note-ABC/Reuters-2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic#cite_note-Black_Deaths_Gene_Code_Cracked-3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic#cite_note-Health:_De-coding_the_Black_Death-4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic#cite_note-5 - The term pandemic had not been used then, but was used for later epidemics, including the 1918 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H1N1 - H1N1 influenza A pandemic—more commonly known as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu - Spanish flu —which is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_pandemics_in_history - deadliest pandemic in history . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic#cite_note-6 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic#cite_note-7 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic#cite_note-WHO99-8 - The most recent pandemics include the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_pandemic - HIV/AIDS pandemic , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic#cite_note-9 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic#cite_note-10 - the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic - 2009 swine flu pandemic and the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic - COVID-19 pandemic . Almost all these diseases still circulate among humans though their impact now is often far less.
DJ...or the impact is ignored, hidden, less clear-increasing chronic disease etc.
A common early characteristic of a pandemic is a rapid, sometimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth - exponential , growth in the number of infections, coupled with a widening geographical spread. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic#cite_note-22 -
Lots of diseases may have been around-via a few mutations turning into a big problem.
Corona-virus-disease was NOT new. It was known to be a hard to handle problem in farm animals for almost a 100 years. SARS-1, MERS, did spread in humans...however could be limited...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_modelling_of_infectious_diseases ;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_model - Mathematical models can project how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infectious_diseases - infectious diseases progress to show the likely outcome of an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic - epidemic (including https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_disease_forecasting - in plants ) and help inform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health - public health and plant health interventions.
Models use basic assumptions or collected statistics along with mathematics to find https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parameter - parameters for various infectious diseases and use those parameters to calculate the effects of different interventions, like mass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination - vaccination programs.
The modelling can help decide which intervention(s) to avoid and which to trial, or can predict future growth patterns, etc.
DJ, It is "not easy" to find the starting point of a disease-turning into a pandemic. H5N1 has been changing over time...with also different ways of spreading/receptors...A lot of US cases seem to be in farm workers-catching an eye infection...The receptors there differ from respitory receptors...
Finding virus parts in nose/mouth may NOT mean infection...The virus may have reached the area but may not have been able to link to a receptor allowing the virus entry into a cell for reproduction...
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2599911/ - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2599911/ or https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2599911/ ;
Conclusions
The majority of deaths in the 1918–1919 influenza pandemic likely resulted directly from secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory–tract bacteria.
Less substantial data from the subsequent 1957 and 1968 pandemics are consistent with these findings.
If severe pandemic influenza is largely a problem of viral-bacterial copathogenesis, pandemic planning needs to go beyond addressing the viral cause alone (e.g., influenza vaccines and antiviral drugs).
Prevention, diagnosis, prophylaxis, and treatment of secondary bacterial pneumonia, as well as stockpiling of antibiotics and bacterial vaccines, should also be high priorities for pandemic planning.
DJ, Fungal infections mixed with CoViD, "Flu-Rona" so far has been limited...
CoViD is decreasing immunity in its hosts...so the interaction between billions of hosts (humans and other mammals), lots of diseases, all kinds of immunity issues, ways of spread may be "nice for computer models"...
A very likely outcome could give "over optimistic" scenarios...one disease providing an immunity boost increasing general immunity...(DJ-Not very realistic so far...)
"Over-pessimistic" scenarios may see several diseases going "exponential-exponential"...
(DJ-Also not a "super-explosion" of disease detected so far...).
So...how to "deal with a new pandemic"? It would be welcome if masking, travel restrictions would be accepted...Testing-testing-testing and sequencing also would help in early detection of (new) diseases...However it would be a high cost step...
At present it looks like "controll of news" is the main tool...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2024 at 2:10am
part 2,
Marc Johnson
@SolidEvidence
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Yeah, LP.8* is starting to look like a real deal. x.com/SolidEvidence/…
DJ, CoViD keeps developing new variants...so "herd immunity" is NOT stopping CoViD !
The CDC reported 105,780 provisional deaths involving COVID‑19 in the United States from January 2023 through August 2024. Within the same time frame, the CDC reported 13,956 provisional deaths attributed to influenza in the United States.
DJ, non-sterilizing vaccines may protect against severe symptoms...However hosts still catch/spread the virus. Selection of the "best fitting virus" may result in immunity evasion
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Suspected H5 Bird Flu detected in Los Angeles County cats that consumed recalled raw milk, according to LA County Department of Public Health.
Symptoms included lack of appetite, fever and neurologic signs. The cats died after severe worsening of their illness.
DJ, litter, milk, raw eggs, not well baked meat all can spread disease...A major tool is providing the best possible information...A growing problem is "popular non-sense"...If there is "no problem" there is no need for a solution...
Pandemics always were "political"...Military parades in the US did spread the Spanish Flu...however selling war-bonds was seen as more important. The social aspect is avoiding panic but also getting the right level of alertness to the right groups of people...
DJ, Vaccines, info, Non Pharma Interventions now all seem to become LESS effective while risks are increasing...Non-human spread of diseases that may be a risk for humans further complicates risk-assesments...
So ?x?x?x? = ????....
End of part 2
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2024 at 12:54pm
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California reports two new human cases of H5N1 bird flu, bringing the statewide total to 34.
60 cases have been reported nationwide this year.
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Louisana reports its first presumptive human H5N1 bird flu case.
The individual is a resident of southwestern Louisiana and is currently hospitalized. They had exposure to sick and dead birds that are suspected to have been infected with H5N1.
DJ, There are different US totals...
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/cdc-confirms-2-new-h5-cases-n60.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/cdc-confirms-2-new-h5-cases-n60.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/cdc-confirms-2-new-h5-cases-n60.html ;
The individual is a resident of southwestern Louisiana and is currently hospitalized.
LDH's Office of Public Health is coordinating with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on the epidemiologic investigation. The investigation identified that the individual had exposure to sick and dead birds that are suspected to have been infected with H5N1.
Meanwhile the CDC has confirmed two more cases - both from California - both with exposure to dairy cows.
While not officially counted, the CDC in this week's https://www.cdc.gov/fluview/surveillance/2024-week-49.html - Fluview Report described two `probable cases' from Arizona.
Novel Influenza A Virus
Two probable cases of influenza A(H5) virus infection were reported to CDC this week by the Arizona Department of Health Services. To date, human-to-human transmission of influenza A(H5) virus has not been identified in the United States.
These cases occurred among two adult workers, ≥ 18 years of age, performing depopulation activities at a commercial poultry facility where highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI) A(H5N1) virus had been detected. While being monitored by local public health, these patients developed illness during the weeks ending November 23 and November 30, respectively. Both patients reported respiratory symptoms. One patient also reported conjunctivitis.
Although public health officials continue to stress the risk of H5 infection to the general public is very low, the continue expansion of the virus in the environment is a genuine concern, and people would be well advised to take the CDC's https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/cdc-updated-advice-to-public-on-hpai.html - Updated Advice To The Public On HPAI H5N1 seriously.
See also https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/h5n1-flu-reported-cases - https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/h5n1-flu-reported-cases or https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/h5n1-flu-reported-cases
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/991361-us-humans-with-full-or-partial-test-positive-h5n1-results-list-cdc-states-seropositive-assay-positive?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/991361-us-humans-with-full-or-partial-test-positive-h5n1-results-list-cdc-states-seropositive-assay-positive?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/991361-us-humans-with-full-or-partial-test-positive-h5n1-results-list-cdc-states-seropositive-assay-positive?view=stream
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2024 at 1:20pm
My uncle's dairy tested positive for https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 in CA on 11/30. They milk 24/7/365. The USDA showed up yesterday, 12/12, and passed out pamphlets about washing shoes and considering wearing PPE around infected cows. If you think the US is doing ANYTHING to prepare, we are not.
I don't use milk, but all dairy and meat products are going to be harder to come by and more expensive. Not to mention, it's in all the wild birds and animals who crap everywhere. I have no idea how they protect crops from harboring H5N1 as well.
The emergence of D158N and N193K mutations in H5N1 near Poyang Lake has shifted the virus into a dangerous new phase.
It’s transforming it from a pathogen primarily infecting birds into a credible threat to human populations
This evolutionary leap is no accident.
N193K establishes a hydrogen bond with human receptor structures.
It’s effectively unlocking H5N1’s ability to target human respiratory systems.
D158N, while not altering the glycosylation pattern at residue 158, enhances the overall structural configuration of the virus.
It’s increasing its compatibility with human hosts.
These adaptations did not arise in isolation.
They are part of a broader trend within 2.3.4.4b, which has been circulating widely among wild bird populations in East Asia since at least 2022.
Wild birds, acting as highly mobile reservoirs, have facilitated the spread of these strains across the region.
Unlike confined poultry outbreaks, which can sometimes be contained, the mobility of wild birds makes these strains nearly impossible to track and control.
As they traverse migratory routes, these birds carry the mutated virus across borders, spreading it into new ecosystems and poultry systems where it can further adapt and evolve.
The risks posed by these mutations cannot be overstated.
The capacity for efficient binding to human receptors brings H5N1 closer than ever to the threshold of sustained human-to-human transmission.
This shift occurs against the backdrop of persistent human exposure risks, particularly in live poultry markets.
These markets are not only a direct source of human infection but also breeding grounds for l recombination and mutation.
They’re accelerating the H5N1 evolutionary trajectory.
The spread of these mutated strains through wild bird populations adds another layer of complexity to risk management.
Unlike localized outbreaks, the movement of wild birds creates a diffuse and unpredictable threat.
Surveillance systems, already struggling to monitor the virus in poultry, are ill-equipped to track its spread in wildlife.
This gap in monitoring allows the virus to circulate undetected.
It’s seeding outbreaks in regions far removed from its initial point of origin
The window to prevent a pandemic is rapidly closing.
link - - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(24)00317-3/fulltext - - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(24)00317-3/fulltext or https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(24)00317-3/fulltext
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https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-adds-funds-long-covid-19-research-advances-work-new-clinical-trials - https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-adds-funds-long-covid-19-research-advances-work-new-clinical-trials or https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-adds-funds-long-covid-19-research-advances-work-new-clinical-trials ;
These sub-awards build on the more than https://recovercovid.org/pathobiology - 40 pathobiology research projects awarded in 2022 that are yielding important results. For example, one study found that severe COVID-19 may cause long-lasting alterations to the innate immune system, the first line of defense against pathogens, making some people susceptible to other infections. Another study found that symptoms for some long COVID sufferers appear to be caused by persistent infection and may respond to antiviral medications.
DJ, disease-transport-host...lots of diseases, lots of ways of transport, lots of hosts with lower immunity....It is not "if" but "when" we are in a very worse mix of diseases pandemic...within months...maybe even weeks...
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2024 at 1:07am
CDC numbers just dropped:
Covid transmission is picking up rapidly
1 in 73 people in the Midwest were actively infectious on Dec 7 and rising
If following historical trends (no false peak), 1 in 41 people in the Midwest are actively infectious today
It's more than that. Historically, there is a substantial rise leading into T-day. Didn't happen. The damn has broken. Not good.
So CoViD may have found new variants able to spread faster in the US.
CoViD-vaccination in the US is a lot lower then in some EU-countries...However vaccinations result in immunity evasion...
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H5N1 now showing up in polar bears, horses...with mutations resulting in more mammal-to-mammal spread.
A US-specific factor is poultry-litter (droppings) as food for cattle, cattle-litter feeding poultry...Raw-infected-milk could be an extra...Unprotected illigal farmworkers deported to central America when ill another complication...
CoViD damaging immunity explains the rise of Mpox in 2022...still ongoing...It will be another factor for a high number of US H5N1 human cases...
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Again; We are NOT out of the CoViD pandemic; "small waves" could see a big wave showing up once every few years...H5N1 could result in a flu-pandemic on top of the CoViD pandemic; "Flu-Rona"-co-spread...
DJ-My non expert view; chances for such a pandemic within 6 months 50%+...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2024 at 5:30am
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-34-known-cases?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-34-known-cases?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-34-known-cases?view=stream ;
I have no idea if the +1 change from last week is a new California case or not. Shows an update on December 10. Posting here for now and will take a look around. Not adding to our human case list at this time because this +1 may be accounted for already. All H5N1 numbers in the US are getting fuzzy.
DJ, "fuzzy" is avery polite way to put it..
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/lancet-microbe-novel-human-type.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/lancet-microbe-novel-human-type.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/lancet-microbe-novel-human-type.html ;
While there are https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/eid-journal-replication-restriction-of.html - a number of known barriersthe H5Nx virus must overcome before it can transmit efficiently between humans, arguably the biggest, and most important, is developing the ability to bind to α2,6 receptor cells commonly found in the human respiratory system.
As an avian virus, H5Nx binds preferentially to α2,3 receptor cells, which are abundant in the gastrointestinal tract of birds.
We've discussed https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2017/06/plos-pathogens-three-mutations-switch.html - receptor binding before , but briefly:
α2,3-linked and α2,6-linked receptor cells have stalks of sugar (carbohydrate) molecules on their surface. These carbohydrate molecules - called `glycans' - form a dense sugary coating to all animal cell membranes. The composition of these stalks varies between types of cells and hosts.
When a virus meets a compatible receptor cell, they are able to `dock', allowing the virus to enter the cell.
Humans, and many (but not all) mammals have very few α2,3 receptor cells in their upper airway (but do have some deep in the lungs), making it difficult for avian flu viruses to easily attach to, and infect, non-avian species.
Over the years we've looked at a number of mutations that could switch binding preferences, and amino acid changes at HA position 193 have come up repeatedly (see 2018's https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2018/03/jvi-k193t-mutation-enhances-human-type.html - JVI: K193T Mutation Enhances Human-type Receptor Binding In Ferret Transmissible H5N1 ).
Last January, in https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/01/emerg-microb-inf-ha-n193d-substitution.html - Emerg. Microb. & Inf.: HA N193D Substitution Alters Receptor Binding Affinity & Enhances Virulence in Mammalian Hosts we saw a report out of South Korea on the discovery of a `distinct mutation' (a change from Asparagine (N) to Aspartic acid (D)) at position 193 of the HA in a number of H5N1 isolates collected from wild birds in 2021-2022. The authors noted:
Variations at position 193 of the HA protein exhibit profound implications for influenza viruses, notably, mutations at this position were reported to have an effect on virus adaptability across influenza subtypes, including H5, H3, H7, H9, and H10 [22-27]. The presence of mutations in the HA-193 confers a shift in the receptor binding preference of the virus α2,3 to α2,6 sialic acid or vice versa.
Today we have a correspondence from Chinese researchers who report finding two concerning mutations - (D158N and N193K) - in poultry markets in Poyang Lake (Jiangxi Province) earlier this year. Both mutations are known to facilitate binding to α2,6 (human) receptor cells.
The H5N1 virus was identified as being clade 2.3.4.4b, which is the same clade which has spread globally over the past 4 years.
While less well studied, the D158N mutation was identified in a fatal human H5N1 infection in Turkey, back in 2006 (see https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2570807/ - Mutations in Influenza A Virus(H5N1) and Possible Limited Spread, Turkey, 2006 ).
The detection of similar α2,6adaptive mutations - first in wild birds, then in poultry - two years and 1000 km apart in Asia, is something that needs to be monitored closely.
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Given the established role of LPMs as a major source of human H5N1 infections, we highlight the urgent need for enhanced surveillance and public health interventions to mitigate the widespread transmission potential of these novel human-type receptor-binding H5N1 viruses in these markets.
DJ, China is NOT waiting for more "lab-leak" non-sense...
At present-as far is now known- it is the US "messing up" H5N1 in mammals and doing a terrible job in controlling it..
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2024 at 1:50am
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More than 14.5 million birds have been affected by the current outbreak of H5N1 bird flu in the last 30 days, according to USDA.
DJ, lots of other factors also pushing up price of food...
"In Colorado, home to dozens of large dairies, Schultz started to ask dairy workers in May if they were getting protective gear and whether anyone was falling ill. Many workers told her they were feeling fluish, but didn’t go to the doctor for fear of losing a day of work or getting fired."
“I feel like there’s a lot more avian flu incidents, but no one knows about it because they don’t go to the doctor and they don’t get tested,” Schultz said.
“In all the months that we’ve been doing outreach and taking protective gear and flyers, we haven’t had one single person tell us they’ve been to the doctor.”
DJ, job security, healthcare also for lower income....
"Large farms with multiple species are providing the optimal conditions for more species-to-species jump"
"Farmers have started raising chicken & hogs under contracts that require huge numbers of animals."
“You’ve got co-location at a substantial scale of herd size on a single property”
DJ, in fact banks and supermarkets "own" a lot of farms/foodproduction...farmers could end up homeless if farmanimals end up ill...Mixed farms; poultry, cattle and pigs will see lots of spread...Resulting in multi-species H5N1...
"Pronounced neurotropism of the 2024 H5N1 virus belonging to the 2.3.4.4b clade is highlighted by high viral loads in the brain and minimal or no viral presence in the lungs of several species"
"a significant shift in virus behaviour"
DJ, hosts have all kinds of receptors over the body...so the virus-mutation may find new ways of entry...
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/h5n1-bird-flu-adaptation-in-cats-in-south-dakota-as-a-lethal-neurotrophic-virus-raises-alarms - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/h5n1-bird-flu-adaptation-in-cats-in-south-dakota-as-a-lethal-neurotrophic-virus-raises-alarms or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/h5n1-bird-flu-adaptation-in-cats-in-south-dakota-as-a-lethal-neurotrophic-virus-raises-alarms
H5N1 in human eyes may see limited disease...also upper respitory infection may be "mild". Lower respitory, intestins, brain may kill...
DJ-An "optimistic" view will underline flu is self limiting, an infection may offer long term protection...More realistic may be the worry on how widespread H5N1, CoViD is in all kinds of animals...It may result in all kinds of "new flu"-immunity evasion-mixed with CoViD immunity damage...
CoViD numbers very likely also increasing because of winter/new variants...And lots of other diseases WILL show up !
The ways to contain spread; masks, vaccinations, travel restrictions-for "political reasons" for now out of reach...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2024 at 2:35am
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/unknown-to-many-including-doctors-covid-19-causes-parsonage-turner-syndrome - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/unknown-to-many-including-doctors-covid-19-causes-parsonage-turner-syndrome or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/unknown-to-many-including-doctors-covid-19-causes-parsonage-turner-syndrome link to;
https://www.cureus.com/articles/251569-parsonage-turner-syndrome-and-sars-cov-2-infection-a-literature-review-with-case-presentation#!/ - https://www.cureus.com/articles/251569-parsonage-turner-syndrome-and-sars-cov-2-infection-a-literature-review-with-case-presentation#!/ or https://www.cureus.com/articles/251569-parsonage-turner-syndrome-and-sars-cov-2-infection-a-literature-review-with-case-presentation#!/ ;
Neuralgic amyotrophy, also known as Parsonage-Turner syndrome (PTS), is characterized by severe pain and muscle wasting affecting the anterior body, including the head, shoulder, upper limb, and chest wall. Often triggered by an antecedent event, such as infection, PTS encompasses various conditions historically identified as separate entities. In 1948, Parsonage and Turner unified these conditions under the term neuralgic amyotrophy based on shared features of intense pain and muscular atrophy. Recent studies have highlighted PTS as a spectrum disorder with diverse manifestations, including pure sensory neuropathy, extensive neuropathy, spinal accessory nerve involvement, and diaphragmatic palsy.
See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsonage%E2%80%93Turner_syndrome - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsonage%E2%80%93Turner_syndrome or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsonage%E2%80%93Turner_syndrome ;
Parsonage–Turner syndrome, also known as acute brachial neuropathy, neuralgic amyotrophy and abbreviated PTS, is a syndrome of unknown cause; although many specific risk factors have been identified (such as; post-operative, post-infectious, post-traumatic or post-vaccination). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsonage%E2%80%93Turner_syndrome#cite_note-pmid21886536-4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsonage%E2%80%93Turner_syndrome#cite_note-ninds-5 - Parsonage–Turner syndrome occurs in about 1.6 out of 100,000 people every year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsonage%E2%80%93Turner_syndrome#cite_note-pmid2996415-6 -
This syndrome can begin with severe shoulder or arm pain followed by weakness and numbness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsonage%E2%80%93Turner_syndrome#cite_note-ninds-5 - [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsonage%E2%80%93Turner_syndrome#cite_note-BrantHelms2007-7 -
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https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/horses/h5n1-in-horses-a-cause-for-concern/ - https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/horses/h5n1-in-horses-a-cause-for-concern/ or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/horses/h5n1-in-horses-a-cause-for-concern/ ;
One of the things that increases risk with influenza viruses is the number of species a strain can infect.
The more species the virus can infect, the more risk of exposure to others, and the more risk of the virus changing (for the worse) within a new host.
Infection of different mammals gives the virus more opportunity to adapt to and infect other mammals (and humans are included in that group). Some species can also be “mixing vessels” for influenza viruses.
If an individual is infected with two different flu viruses at the same time, there’s risk the viruses can get mixed up together and create a new strain.
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Only 2 samples were positive using the H5N1-specific test (that’s less than 0.1% overall).
I’m always a bit wary of low-prevalence serological studies. Even if the test was 99% specific (99% of positives are true positives), the low prevalence reported here could be within the error rate. It’s an inherent issue with serological tests where we don’t have (or at least can’t be certain of) 100% specificity. I’m not saying the results are wrong, but we have to consider that some or all of the very small number of positive results could be false positives. More study is needed to know for sure.
If these were true positives, the very low prevalence is important to note. It would strongly suggest that H5N1 is not transmitted between horses.
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Horses have their own influenza strains, mainly H3N8 equine influenza. So, concurrent infection with H5N1 could create a recombination risk. But it’s probably much more of a concern for horses than for people. H3N8 equine flu is well disseminated internationally and has been for decades, but horse-to-human transmission of H3N8 is exceptionally rare. So, if H3N8 combines with another virus that has a poor ability to infect people, it’s unlikely that the new virus would be more likely to infect people. We’re more concerned about H5N1 recombining with a human flu virus or animal flu virus that more readily infects people (like some swine H3N2 strains). Recombination of equine H3N8 and avian H5N1 could be a big deal for horses, though, if it becomes a strain that can cause serious disease in horses and for which horses have little immunity (because it’s different enough from the H3N8 their used to). That said, while the risk may be greater for horses than humans, we don’t want more circulating flu strains; the more infections there are in horses, the greater the risk of that virus changing even more.
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While I don’t have any plans for flu surveillance in horses around here (no available funding being the main barrier), I’m definitely paying attention to them. If we hear about more or atypical disease in horses, especially if it coincides with more flu activity in birds in the area, I’ll want to start testing. The issue with https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/hpai-confirmed-cases-livestock - H5N1 in dairy cattle in the US caught us off guard, which shows why we have to remain vigilant and be ready to act quickly and aggressively. (The lack of quick aggressive action in the US with dairy cattle was likely a major reason this virus has spread so widely there.)
DJ, For now H5N1 may be "very, very, very limited"...the "horse-flu-types" may be of limited/low-direct-risks for humans. Indirect effects however are very unpredictable...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2024 at 12:12am
Detrimental Effects of Anti-Nucleocapsid Antibodies in SARS-CoV-2 Infection, Reinfection, and the Post-Acute Sequelae of COVID-19Interesting, but highly technical review, placing it somewhat outside my personal comfort zone, but none the less, after patience and rereading, their conclusions underscore again our fight against “living with this virus/Let it rip”(= Madness!)This review focuses on the Fc receptor-dependent ADE of cytokine production induced by anti-nucleocapsid antibodies( 1 of 3 mechanisms), examining its potential role in severe COVID-19 during reinfection and its contribution to the post-acute sequelae of COVID-19(LC).
Interesting sections on the different types of C19 vaccines and their updates with “Concerns Regarding the Use of N Protein as a Vaccine Antigen.”
Conclusion:"It is now evident that SARS-CoV-2 reinfection poses significant health risks, though studies specifically examining the role of anti-N antibodies are still limited."
While treatments for PASC are still often non-existent or only under development, preventing breakthrough infection and reinfection remains preferable = utmost importance!
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This study was performed in https://x.com/hashtag/COVID?src=hashtag_click - #COVID tested after death; only 25% were hospitalized, and none had records of immunocompromise. https://x.com/hashtag/SARSCoV2?src=hashtag_click - #SARSCoV2 is highly prone to compartmentalization and persistence in different organs, only confirming previous data (Nature paper from 2022, for example)
After lobbying for the end of public health & infecting everyone with SARS-CoV-2 "for the economy," corporate CEOs are annoyed that workers are often sick.
CEO of Mercedes on Germany's record level of illness: "It shouldn’t be so easy to call in sick."
DJ, "Saving the economy" for the short term-by ignoring pandemics, climate collapse-resulting in destruction of the economy on the longer term...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2024 at 12:20am
part 2,
DJ, H5N1, Mpox come on top of the ongoing CoViD pandemic...
Wow
H5N1 uses part of its own structure to pre-occupy its receptor-binding site.
This could accelerate H5N1 ability to adapt to and spread in mammalian hosts, including humans
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By occupying its receptor-binding site with its own glycan, the virus shields this critical region from detection by the host immune system.
Neutralizing antibodies, which typically target the receptor-binding site to block infection, may struggle to recognize or bind effectively.
It could immune responses and allowing the virus more time to replicate and spread.
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This self-binding mechanism could provide H5N1 with a shortcut to mammalian adaptation.
It’s bypassing the need for receptor-binding mutations to occur naturally over time.
The hemagglutinin, already stabilized and shielded, may more readily transition to binding human-like receptors in mammals.
This could accelerate the virus’s ability to adapt to and spread in mammalian hosts, including humans.
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The auto-binding of the glycan acts like a built-in support mechanism for the hemagglutinin protein.
It’s helping it maintain its proper shape and structure.
Hemagglutinin needs to be in a specific, stable conformation to effectively bind to host cell receptors and initiate infection.
By occupying its own receptor-binding site, the glycan reinforces the protein’s structural integrity, reducing the chances of it becoming unstable or misfolded.
This ensures the viral machinery is always primed and ready to attach to target cells.
It’s improving the virus’s efficiency during infection.
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H5N1 appears capable of fine-tuning itself for host adaptation, immune evasion, and structural stability without external evolutionary pressures.
This is only the beginning.
DJ, a link https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.12.06.626699v1 - https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.12.06.626699v1 or https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.12.06.626699v1
H5N1 now producing a "short cut" to get into mammal/human cells...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2024 at 5:28am
BREAKING
Pandemic Resurges in China as Infection Cases Surge, Hospitals Overwhelmed
China is currently facing a surge in infections, including multiple virus outbreaks, severely overwhelming hospitals.
DJ, It would be welcome to have more info...part of the problem may be a lot of info is in "Chinese"...Some "western types" claim "it is hidden"...maybe for their information-English is just one of many languages...
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065%2824%2900217-7/fulltext - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(24)00217-7/fulltext or https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(24)00217-7/fulltext ;
Long Covid is a significant health crisis in China too
Long Covid, the constellation of long-term health effects caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection, is a significant global health crisis affecting at least 400 million individuals worldwide, with a cost of $ 1 trillion, equivalent to 1% of the global Gross Domestic Product. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065%2824%2900217-7/fulltext# - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065%2824%2900217-7/fulltext# - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065%2824%2900217-7/fulltext# - Chinese scientists were among the first to report Long Covid in people who survived the acute phase of Covid-19. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065%2824%2900217-7/fulltext# -
To understand HOW OMICRON INTERACTS with HUMAN CELLS, the researchers used computer simulations to study how the Omicron spike protein binds to the human ACE2 receptor. They compared Omicron to the original virus strain and the Delta variant.
https://t.co/6pRlbfrrrd - AAbstract
The SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variants present a different behavior compared to the previous variants, all particularly in respect to the Delta variant, as it seems to promote a lower morbidity although being much more contagious.
In this perspective, we performed new molecular dynamics (MD) simulations of the various spike RBD/hACE2 complexes corresponding to the WT, Delta and Omicron variants (BA.1 up to BA.4/5) over 1.5 μs timescale.
Then, carrying out a comprehensive analysis of residue interactions within and between the two partners, allowed us to draw the profile of each variant by using complementary methods (PairInt, hydrophobic potential, contact PCA).
Main results of PairInt calculations highlighted the most involved residues in electrostatic interactions that represent a strong contribution in the binding with highly stable contacts between spike RBD and hACE2 (importance of mutated residues at positions 417, 493 and 498).
In addition to the swappable arginine residues (493/498), the apolar contacts made a substantial and complementary contribution in Omicron with the detection of two hydrophobic patches, one of which was correlated with energetic contribution calculations.
This study brings new highlights on the global dynamics of spike RBD/hACE2 complexes resulting from the analysis of contact networks and cross-correlation matrices able to detect subtle changes at point mutations.
The results of our study are also consistent with alternative approaches such as binding free energy calculations but are more informative and sensitive to transient or low-energy interactions. Nevertheless, the energetic contributions of residues at positions 501 and 505 were in good agreement with hydrophobic interactions measurements.
The contact PCA networks could identify the intramolecular incidence of the S375F mutation occurring in all Omicron variants and likely conferring them an advantage in binding stability.
Collectively, these data revealed the major differences observed between WT/Delta and Omicron variants at the RBD/hACE2 interface, which may explain the greater persistence of Omicron.
DJ, CoViD is far from over, mild acute infection may NOT rule out Long CoViD...
Bird flu causes deaths of cats and zoo animals as virus spreads in US
Health officials warn of dangers of drinking unpasteurized milk.
DJ, One of the reasons why earlier CoViD may not be included in testing for (following) H5-infections is it may be quite difficult and high cost...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2024 at 5:35am
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/u-s-nih-study-discovers-q226l-mutation-which-enhances-binding-to-human-cells-in-h5n1-virus-strain-isolated-in-texas - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/u-s-nih-study-discovers-q226l-mutation-which-enhances-binding-to-human-cells-in-h5n1-virus-strain-isolated-in-texas or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/u-s-nih-study-discovers-q226l-mutation-which-enhances-binding-to-human-cells-in-h5n1-virus-strain-isolated-in-texas
link to https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt0180 - https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt0180 or https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt0180 ;
Abstract
In 2024, several human infections with highly pathogenic clade 2.3.4.4b bovine influenza H5N1 viruses in the United States raised concerns about their capability for bovine-to-human or even human-to-human transmission. In this study, analysis of the hemagglutinin (HA) from the first-reported human-infecting bovine H5N1 virus (A/Texas/37/2024, Texas) revealed avian-type receptor binding preference. Notably, a Gln226Leu substitution switched Texas HA binding specificity to human-type receptors, which was enhanced when combined with an Asn224Lys mutation. Crystal structures of the Texas HA with avian receptor analog LSTa and its Gln226Leu mutant with human receptor analog LSTc elucidated the structural basis for this preferential receptor recognition. These findings highlight the need for continuous surveillance of emerging mutations in avian and bovine clade 2.3.4.4b H5N1 viruses.
DJ, mutation on positions 224 and 226 another step towards spread in mammals...
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https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/preprint-rapid-surge-of-reassortant.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/preprint-rapid-surge-of-reassortant.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/preprint-rapid-surge-of-reassortant.html ;
In addition to avian flu viruses, we keep a close watch on swine-origin influenza viruses, since they too have a history of spilling over to humans and causing pandemics. While there are numerous swine-variants around the world, here in the United States the https://www.cdc.gov/pandemic-flu/php/monitoring/irat-virus-summaries.html - CDC has identified 3 as having some pandemic potential.
H3N2 variant [A/Indiana/08/2011] Dec 2012 6.0 4.5 Moderate
The CDC currently ranks a https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2021/02/cdc-selects-new-swine-variant-ea-h1n1.html - Chinese Swine-variant EA H1N1 `G4' as having the highest pandemic potential of any flu virus on their list. But there are others worth noting, including a recently emerged (first detected in 2018) variant in Denmark called H1pdm09N1av.
In early 2021, in https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2021/02/denmark-statens-serum-institut-ssi.html - Denmark: SSI Reports Detection of A Novel Flu , we saw an unusual report of a Danish citizen infected with a novel swine-variant virus, who had no known contact with pigs.
Nine months later, in https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2021/11/eid-journal-reassortant-influenza.html - EID Journal: Reassortant Influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 Virus in Elderly Woman, Denmark, January 2021 , we learned that the virus wasa novel reassorted H1N1v, comprised of the human A(H1N1)pdm09 virus with the NS gene from an EA-like H1N1 swine virus.
The patient (who had multiple comorbidities) was in pandemic lockdown at the time of her infection and had very little outside contact, making the source of her infection unknown.
In January off 2022 we saw another report (see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2022/01/denmark-ssi-reports-novel-swine-variant.html - Denmark SSI Reports Novel Swine Variant Flu Infection In Slaughterhouse Worker ), providing bare-bones information on another case, which occurred in late November of 2021.
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In December of 2022 the CDC's EID Journal published a follow up to this report, where we learned more about the patient's severe (and unusual) course of illness, and the genetic characterization of the virus (see https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/28/12/22-0935_article - Severe Human Case of Zoonotic Infection with Swine-Origin Influenza A Virus, Denmark, 2021 ).
While these two zoonotic infections involved two different swine-origin viruses, they both shared the NS gene segment of H1N1av origin.
Over the past few years the incidence of H1pdm09N1av has grown to 27% in Danish pigs, the internal gene cassette from genotype 2 has shown up in other swine flu viruses. With signs of some aerosol transmission in ferrets, and little apparent immunity in humans, this rising variant is very much worthy of our attention.
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While we've been focused primarily on avian H5 viruses this year, this is a reminder than Nature's laboratory is not only open 24/7, it is fully capable of running numerous GOF (Gain of Function) field experiments concurrently.
We now live in an age (see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2011/02/third-epidemiological-transition.html - The Third Epidemiological Transition) where the the number, frequency, and intensity of pandemics are only expected to increase over the next few decades.
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/11/bmj-global-historical-trends.html - BMJ Global: Historical Trends Demonstrate a Pattern of Increasingly Frequent & Severe Zoonotic Spillover Events
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2021/08/pnas-research-intensity-and-frequency.html - PNAS Research: Intensity and Frequency of Extreme Novel Epidemics
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/11/bmj-global-historical-trends.html - While we can debate when - or from what - another pandemic is inevitable. All we can really control is how well prepared we are, when the inevitable happens.
DJ, Pigs catch both CoViD and H5N1...co-spread of these two in mammals ARE a major risk for humans.
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-seasonal-flu-tracking/1002548-china-positive-rate-of-influenza-a-has-increased-significantly-since-last-week-and-is-estimated-to-be-around-30-to-40-december-14-2024 - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-seasonal-flu-tracking/1002548-china-positive-rate-of-influenza-a-has-increased-significantly-since-last-week-and-is-estimated-to-be-around-30-to-40-december-14-2024 or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-seasonal-flu-tracking/1002548-china-positive-rate-of-influenza-a-has-increased-significantly-since-last-week-and-is-estimated-to-be-around-30-to-40-december-14-2024
DJ-More info from China needed...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2024 at 8:16am
UK Covid sequencing has been absolutely trashed, so this data is very sketchy, but this is the current trend among the new recombinants here over the last eight weeks.
Doubling as a proportion of all sequences each week for the last three weeks.
*Potential* wave incoming.
BREAKING:
U.S. Reports 5.236 million New COVID-19 Infections in One Week.
Currently, 1 in 64 Americans is Infected with COVID-19.
COVID-19 transmission is currently higher than it was during 73.3% of the pandemic.
Current levels for December 16, 2024, show:
Percentage of the population infectious: 1.6% (1 in 64)
New daily infections: 748,000
New weekly infections: 5,236,000
Resulting weekly Long COVID cases: 262,000 to 1,047,000
DJ, link https://pmc19.com/data/ - https://pmc19.com/data/ or https://pmc19.com/data/
Here we go LabCorp for https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1
Healthcare professionals can now order the test for patients showing symptoms of H5 bird flu infection
The test requires a nasopharyngeal swab specimen, which is then analyzed using polymerase chain reaction (PCR)
link; https://www.investing.com/news/company-news/labcorp-releases-h5-bird-flu-test-as-outbreak-spreads-93CH-3776627 - https://www.investing.com/news/company-news/labcorp-releases-h5-bird-flu-test-as-outbreak-spreads-93CH-3776627 or https://www.investing.com/news/company-news/labcorp-releases-h5-bird-flu-test-as-outbreak-spreads-93CH-3776627
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https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/vet-microbiology-novel-h10n3-avian.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/vet-microbiology-novel-h10n3-avian.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/vet-microbiology-novel-h10n3-avian.html ;
While the next novel pandemic virus could arise anywhere in the world (see yesterday's blog https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/preprint-rapid-surge-of-reassortant.html - Preprint: Rapid Surge of Reassortant A(H1N1) Influenza Viruses in Danish Swine and their Zoonotic Potential ), history suggests there is a good chance it will come out of China.
During the 20th century, 2 of the 3 major influenza pandemics (1957 Asian Flu, 1968 Hong Kong Flu) originated from Asia, and our current HPAI H5 threat originated in Guangdong Province, China nearly 30 years ago.
Additionally, during the last decade China saw the emergence of a multi-year avian H7N9 epidemic (2013-2018), and in 2014 they reported the first of (now > 90) H5N6 spillover events. And five years ago this month, we saw the first reports of what would be known as COVID emerge from Wuhan, China.
Over the past dozen years we've also seen scattered reports of other zoonotic viruses in the region, including a number of H10 viruses. https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2014/02/jiangxi-province-reports-3rd-h10n8-case.html - H10N8 emerged in late 2013 infecting at least 3 people, and last winter we saw the https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/06/chinese-cdc-retrospective-investigation.html - first known human infection with H10N5.
In June of 2021 https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2021/06/china-nhc-reports-1st-human-h10n3-avian.html - China's NHC Reported the 1st Human H10N3 Avian Flu Infection - Jiangsu Province ), followed in 2022 by https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2022/10/hk-chp-cryptic-report-of-2nd-h10n3-case.html - A Cryptic Report of A 2nd H10N3 Case from Hong Kong's CHP . In April of 2023 a https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/04/nature-portfolio-preprint-case-report.html - 3rd case was reported from Yunnan Province (see https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-4181286/v1 - Nature Portfolio preprint) .
Last July, in https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/07/frontiers-phylogenetic-and-mutational.html - Frontiers: Phylogenetic and Mutational Analysis of H10N3 Avian Influenza A virus in China: Potential Threats to Human Health , we looked at a report that described 4 mutations of concern in the 2023 case (HA Q226L, PB2 D701N, PA S409N, and M2 S31N) , along with the patient's treatment and course of illness.
Today we've a new report on H10N3, published in Veterinary Microbiology, which finds the virus has become better adapted to poultry, is highly pathogenic in mice, can be transmitted via respiratory droplets between guinea pigs, and can also be transmitted via the airborne route by chickens.
They also report on a serology study of poultry workers, which found a small but significant (1.5%) positivity rate.
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Although we get very little in the way of real-time reporting on avian flu out of China, their scientists continue to publish excellent (albeit, often belated) reports in the scientific journals.
The overarching message from these reports is that avian influenza viruses continue to expand - both in range and variety - across China, and that some of these viruses pose legitimate public health risks.
While most will end up as evolutionary failures, we need to pay attention, because it only take one over-achiever to send us down the pandemic path again.
DJ, A few remarks;
-In China it seems there is an increase of flu-like diseases...
-Lots of science-news may NOT be in English...US/UK seem to think "everything has to be in English" why ?
Outlook is bad, getting worse...CoViD, Flu, Mpox other diseases increase...
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The company said it developed the test with support from the CDC to expand access and testing capacity, according to CIDRAP.
DJ, A basic problem is testing could detect an infection and such an infection does bring costs to farms/farmworkers...You have to cover those costs as well...We did have flu-tests...
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Two new cats were found infected with H5N1 bird flu.
One case was found in San Bernardino, California, while the other was found in Cache, Utah, according to USDA.
A total of 56 cats have been found infected in the US so far.
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The disease has caused the deaths of more than 300 million birds worldwide and the virus “is increasingly crossing species barriers” - UN Health officers.
DJ, In general H5N1 is a global problem. However most of the spread is from wild/migrating birds into poultry. Some mammals eating infected birds also catch H5N1.
The US problem is -by now- up to 40% of US cattle (???) may find H5N1..There must be hundreds of human H5N1 cases.
Flu-season just started...so H5N1 will mix with other types of flu. It will also co-spread with new forms of CoViD.
Mpox is out of control-has a different way (in general) of spreading than flu or CoViD. Mpox needs contact-in general...The further immunity decreases the lower viral loads may bring disease...
And there is no strategy to deal with the "pandemic on top of a pandemic"....
DJ-The H5N1 situation in the US is bad...however this does NOT mean the US will start a pandemic...China seems to have an increase of H10/H1 types of flu ? Africa/India lots of questions on "new diseases"....But even NL/DK or UK...others may become a starting point...
"Starting point" is much to optimistic. Pandemics are the outcome of a long process. SARS-2/CoViD-19 has a lot of similarity with the 2003 SARS-1 virus...It may be linked...could have been hiding in some species (pigs ?) and restarted with other diseases (African Swine Fever ?) giving more room for co-infections...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2024 at 10:07am
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/cdc-statement-on-first-severe-case-of.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/cdc-statement-on-first-severe-case-of.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/cdc-statement-on-first-severe-case-of.html ;
While the CDC isn't providing specifics regarding the patient's age, comorbidities, or course of illness, they are are confirming that the Louisiana case - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/cdc-confirms-2-new-h5-cases-n60.html - announced on Friday - is the first severe H5N1 case in the United States.
We also know, based on partial genomic testing, that the virus in the Louisiana case is genotype D1.1, which is the same as the severe case in British Columbia, and is linked to > 12 mild cases in the Pacific Northwest.
This is a genetically different strain than the B3.13 genotype which has affected dairy cows, and which has been linked to roughly 3 dozen mild human cases. Both the D1.1 and D1.2 genotypes are new arrivals this fall, and are spreading rapidly across Canada and the United States via migratory birds.
A more complete genetic analysis of this Louisiana isolate in underway, and hopefully we'll learn more in the next few days.
DJ, increased risk for H2H/M2M spread
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2024 at 10:20pm
DJ, With very limited testing;
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/991361-us-humans-with-full-or-partial-test-positive-h5n1-results-list-cdc-states-seropositive-assay-positive - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/991361-us-humans-with-full-or-partial-test-positive-h5n1-results-list-cdc-states-seropositive-assay-positive or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/991361-us-humans-with-full-or-partial-test-positive-h5n1-results-list-cdc-states-seropositive-assay-positive ;
US - Humans with full or partial test positive H5N1 results list (CDC + states + seropositive + assay positive)
This is a dynamic list. Details of the cases will be added.
79 total for 2024 (1 total in 2022)
80) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/wisconsin/1002810-wisconsin-avian-flu-in-humans#post1002810 - United States - Wisconsin has a presumptive positive case. Farmworker. Assuming poultry farm. Dec. 18.
79) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/delaware/1002531-us-cdc-probable-human-h5n1-case-with-no-defined-exposure-in-delaware-tests-negative-at-the-cdc-december-13-2024 - United States - Delaware sent a sample of a probable case to the CDC but it not test positive. Source unknown. Dec. 15.
78) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/louisiana/1002460-louisana-human-h5n1-cases-2024 - United States - Louisiana announced 1 hospitalized in "severe" condition presumptive positive case. Contact with sick & dead birds. Dec. 13.
76-77) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-33-known-cases?p=1002457#post1002457 - United States -Californiaadded 2 more cases for a new total of 34 cases in that state. Cattle. No details. Dec. 13.
74-75) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/arizona/1001949-arizona-human-cases-h5n1-2024?p=1001951#post1001951 - United States - Arizona reported 2 cases, mild, poultry workers, Pinal county. Dec. 6
73) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-31-known-cases?p=1001703#post1001703 - United States - California added a case for a new total of 32 cases in that state. Cattle. No details. Dec. 4.
71-72) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-31-known-cases?p=1001490#post1001490 - United States - California added 2 more cases for a new total of 31 cases in that state. Cattle. Dec. 2.
70) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-28-known-cases?p=1001040#post1001040 - United States - California added a case for a new total of 29 cases in that state. Cattle. No details.
69) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-27-known-cases?p=1000759#post1000759 - United States - Child, mild respiratory, treated at home, source unknown, Alameda county, California. Count = 28
68) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-27-known-cases?p=1000655#post1000655 - United States - California adds a case with no details. Cattle. The count in that state = 27. Nov. 18. (Might be Fresno county).
67) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/oregon/1000514-oregon%E2%80%99s-first-human-case-of-avian-influenza-reported-by-health-officials - United States - Oregon announces 1st H5N1 case, poultry worker, mild illness, recovered. Nov. 15. Clackamas county.
64-66) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-23-known-cases?p=1000490#post1000490 - United States - 3 more cases as California Public Health ups their count by 5 to 26 on Nov. 15. Believe 2 already accounted for on this list. Cases 62 & 63. No details.
62-63) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-23-known-cases?p=1000413#post1000413 - United States - 2 cases. 1 confirmed, 1 presumptive positive, mild, dairy cattle contact. Madera county, California
54-61) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/other-scientific-studies-including-seasonal-novel-flu/h5n1-research-studies-papers-academia/999960-mmwr-serologic-evidence-of-recent-infection-with-highly-pathogenic-avian-influenza-a-h5-virus-among-dairy-workers-%E2%80%94-michigan-and-colorado-june%E2%80%93august-2024 - United States - 8 sero+ cases added, sourced from a joint CDC, Colorado state study of subjects from Colorado & Michigan - no breakdown of the cases between the two states. Dairy Cattle contact.
52-53) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/washington/998916-washington-state-human-h5n1-cases-2024-12-confirmed-probable-cases-october-20-2024?p=999918#post999918 - United States - 2 more cases added by Washington state as poultry exposure. No details. Nov. 6
51) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-20-known-cases?p=999897#post999897 - United States - 1 more case added to the California total for a new total in that state of 21. Cattle. No details. Nov. 6
50) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-19-known-cases/page4#post999759 - United States - 1 more case added to the California total for a new total in that state of 20. Cattle. No details. Nov. 4
47-49) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-16-known-cases?p=999655#post999655 - United States - 3 more cases added to California total. No details. Cattle. Announced November 1 by the state.
44-46) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/washington/998916-washington-state-poultry-workers-in-franklin-co-have-tested-presumptively-positive-for-h5n1-9-confirmed-probable-cases-october-20-2024?p=999651#post999651 - United States - 3 more "probable" cases in Washington state - poultry contact.
43) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/washington/998916-washington-state-poultry-workers-in-franklin-co-have-tested-presumptively-positive-for-h5n1-9-confirmed-probable-cases-october-20-2024?p=999525#post999525 - United States - 1 additional human case from poultry in Washington state
40-42) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/washington/998916-washington-state-poultry-workers-in-franklin-co-have-tested-presumptively-positive-for-h5n1-8-confirmed-probable-cases-october-20-2024?p=999386#post999386 - United States - 3 additional human cases from poultry in Washington state - diagnosed in Oregon
39) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-15-known-cases?p=999365#post999365 - United States - 1 additional case. California upped their case number to 16 with no explanation. Cattle. Announced by the state October 28.
38) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/991361-us-h5n1-human-case-list/page2#post999323 - United States - 1 additional poultry worker in Washington state
37) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/missouri/996496-us-human-h5n1-bird-flu-case-confirmed-in-missouri-september-06-2024/page2#post999169 - United States - 1 household member of the Missouri case (#17) tested positive for H5N1 in one assay. CDC criteria for being called a case is not met but we do not have those same rules. Via media event Oct. 24, 2024. (No link but attended by s.s. personally) No proven source.
36) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-14-known-cases-all-cattle-contact?p=999103#post999103 - United States - 1 case number increase to a cumulative total of 15 in California. No details provided at this time. Announced by the state October 23.
35) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-dept-of-public-health-statement-investigating-possible-human-case-of-bird-flu-october-3-2024-updated-cdc-confirms-13-h5-cases-all-cattle-contact?p=999033#post999033 - United States - 1 dairy cattle worker in Merced county, California. Announced by the county on October 21.
31 - 34) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/washington/998916-washington-state-poultry-workers-in-franklin-co-have-tested-presumptively-positive-for-h5n1-october-20-2024 - United States - 4 poultry workers in Washington state
18 - 30) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-dept-of-public-health-statement-investigating-possible-human-case-of-bird-flu-october-3-2024 - United States - 13 dairy farm workers in California, contact with infected dairy cattle. https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-dept-of-public-health-statement-investigating-possible-human-case-of-bird-flu-october-3-2024-updated-cdc-confirms-6-h5-cases-5-cases-test-pending-all-cattle-contact/page3#post998847 - link Announced: 2 cases on October 3, 1 case on October 5, 1 case on October 10, 1 case on October 11, 5 cases on October 14, 3 cases on October 18 for a total at that time of 13.
17) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/missouri/996496-us-human-h5n1-bird-flu-case-confirmed-in-missouri-september-06-2024 - United States - 1 person, "first case of H5 without a known occupational exposure to sick or infected animals.", recovered, Missouri.
15 - 16) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/other-scientific-studies-including-seasonal-novel-flu/h5n1-research-studies-papers-academia/994601-medrxiv-a-one-health-investigation-into-h5n1-avian-influenza-virus-epizootics-on-two-dairy-farms - United States - 2 dairy cattle farm workers in Texas in April 2024, via research paper (low titers, cases not confirmed by US CDC .)
6 - 14, inclusive) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/colorado/993492-colorado-state-health-officials-confirm-7-cases-of-avian-flu-in-colorado-poultry-workers-july-12 - United States - 9 human cases in Colorado - poultry farmworkers - situation developing...
5) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/colorado/993086-colorado-dairy-worker-tests-positive-for-bird-flu-becoming-fourth-case-tied-to-dairy-cattle-in-the-us - United States - Dairy cattle farmworker, mild case with conjunctivitis, recovered, Colorado - reported July 3
4) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/michigan/991326-us-third-farm-worker-infected-2nd-case-in-michigan-may-30-2024 - United States - Dairy cattle farmworker, mild case, respiratory, separate farm, in contact with H5 infected cows, Michigan - reported May 30
3) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/michigan/990923-michigan-human-cases-of-h5n1-2024-1-case - United States - Dairy cattle farmworker, mild case, ocular, in contact with H5 infected livestock, Michigan - reported May 22
2) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/987593-us-several-samples-taken-from-dairy-cows-test-positive-for-highly-pathogenic-avian-influenza-in-texas-kansas-idaho-michigan-potentially-new-mexico-march-24-one-texas-human-case-april1?p=988026#post988026 - United States - Dairy cattle farmworker, ocular, mild case, Texas - reported April 1. This case also possibly mentioned above in a research paper. https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/other-scientific-studies-including-seasonal-novel-flu/h5n1-research-studies-papers-academia/994601-medrxiv-a-one-health-investigation-into-h5n1-avian-influenza-virus-epizootics-on-two-dairy-farms - link
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1) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/colorado/947222-us-colorado-government-press-release-state-health-officials-investigate-a-detection-of-h5-influenza-virus-in-a-human-in-colorado-exposure-to-infected-poultry-cited-april-28-2022-cdc-statement-confirmed-h5n1 - United States - European strain - Male, 40, poultry worker, test confirmed on April, 27, mild case. Colorado
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/flutrackers-high-pathogenic-h5n1-h1n08-h5n8-h5n6-h5n3-tracking-outbreaks-spread/749462-flutrackers-2016-global-h5n1-human-cases-list - FluTrackers 2016+ Global H5N1 Human Cases List
*Notes:
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/1001987-california-marin-county-investigating-possible-case-of-bird-flu-h5n1-december-6-2024 - United States - Marin county statement about a child case being investigated.California. PENDING 33rd case in that state. - Dec. 6, 2024 - REMOVED from list due no confirming test.
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This is bad !
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2024 at 10:34pm
So, the US this year at least around 80 human H5N1 cases...(in the above post).
Canada and Louisiana severe cases...both linked to wild birds spreading a higher risk form of H5N1...
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/wisconsin-dhs-reports-presumptive.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/wisconsin-dhs-reports-presumptive.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/wisconsin-dhs-reports-presumptive.html ;
Over the past 7 days we've seen the expansion of (presumed or confirmed) cases of human infection with the H5N1 virus expand to 3 new states (Arizona - 2, Delaware - 1, Louisiana -1) as the fall wave of the HPAI virus continues to spread across the country.
While I was on the phone this afternoon with Sharon Sanders of https://flutrackers.com/ - FluTrackers - discussing the HHS presser we both attended earlier today - she alerted me to the following report, just released by the Wisconsin DHS, making it the 4th new state in the past week.
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The virus does not spread easily from animals to people. People who have gotten sick with bird flu have been in direct contact with infected animals.
Symptoms of bird flu in people include:
Sore throat
Fever
Muscle aches
Cough
Eye infections (Conjunctivitis)
Anyone who develops symptoms of flu or an eye infection and has been in contact with animals who may have been infected should stay home (not go to work, school, shopping, or use public transportation) and call their doctor's office or clinic before visiting so they can take precautions to ensure other patients are not exposed to the virus. Treatment for bird flu may include hospitalization, supportive care and/or the use of antivirals.
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What you need to know: Following the spread of Bird Flu in sixteen states, including in California and outside the Central Valley, Governor Newsom proclaimed a State of Emergency today to further enhance the state’s preparedness and accelerate the ongoing cross-agency response efforts.
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Neither of these announcements represents a radical change to our avian flu situation, but they do highlight the rapid escalation of the threat in recent weeks. And the timing, is not particularly good.
Updates from state and local agencies may become less robust over the Christmas - New Year's holiday break, media coverage may dwindle, and people may be tempted to ignore the threat for the duration.
A reminder that `no news' isn't always `good news' - the virus won't stop just because we are otherwise preoccupied - and that what we don't know can hurt us.
DJ, H5N1 may be in hundreds of types of mammals. It will mix with other types of flu, co-spread with other diseases.
"Old style" flu was selflimiting. Infection created immunity. The CoViD-Flu mix in many species may result in lots of types of flu...And ALL can be a risk !
It is not "just" H5N1...H1N1 may have picked up some H5N1 elements in Vietnam. China reporting a H10 problem. H5N6, H5N8, H7 types of flu...H3N2 also able to cause problems...This is WORSE then the Spanish Flu-in potential.
DJ, trying to stay positive; At least the US is testing-reporting cases...missing a lot of cases...General mild so far...
Bad news is other (Latin America) countries very likely also may have human H5N1 cases-may be missing them...
H5N1 is a global problem. This year did see 10+ cases in SE Asia (Cambodia, Vietnam) killing several of the (younger) infected persons...
An indirect effect will be higher costs for food. A "warm winter" may save energy costs...
Climate collapse=pandemics...
Pandemics need a global response-NOT war !
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2024 at 10:43pm
The Louisiana case isn’t important because it’s severe.
It’s important because it confirms H5N1’s trajectory.
An entrenched, mutating virus with growing access to human hosts.
The window for proactive intervention is closing
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The first severe human case of H5N1 in the US is a signal event.
It’s not unexpected, but it is pivotal.
This case brings the virus into direct contact with a population and infrastructure unprepared for its trajectory.
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This isn’t a case of random exposure.
It’s the inevitable result of a virus that has become entrenched in wild bird populations, spread to mammals, and now breached the human-animal barrier.
In a context where spillovers are increasingly normalized.
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The data suggests inevitability.
A virus with high lethality, entrenched in multiple reservoirs, and adapting to mammalian hosts will eventually develop new transmission dynamics.
We don’t know the timeline.
But the trajectory is clear.
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The severe Louisiana case emphasizes a failure of containment.
Backyard poultry systems directly interface with wild bird reservoirs, creating spillover opportunities.
These systems bypass industrial biosecurity but aren’t monitored at scale.
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Severe disease in humans signals viral fitness within human hosts.
H5N1’s lethality (>50%) is tied to its efficient replication in lower respiratory cells.
The key risk is mutation toward upper respiratory replication, enhancing transmissibility while retaining lethality.
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This case occurred in a nation with robust health infrastructure and surveillance capacity.
The implications for under-resourced regions are concerning.
The systemic risks are accumulating.
Industrial farming, migratory bird pathways, and backyard poultry farming create overlapping layers of vulnerability.
Add globalized trade and climate-driven habitat disruption, and containment becomes an abstract ideal.
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The convergence of risks creates a pandemic-ready virus.
H5N1 doesn’t need efficient human-to-human transmission to destabilize global systems.
Localized outbreaks with high mortality would disrupt supply chains, healthcare, and food security.
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Vaccine development is progressing, but scalability and deployment remain logistical bottlenecks.
Even with mRNA tech, the timeline between outbreak and widespread immunization is months.
Time a virus like H5N1 would exploit ruthlessly.
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This isn’t alarmism.
It’s basic risk calculus.
H5N1’s evolutionary potential is amplified by systems we’ve built.
Dense farming, fragmented surveillance, and ecological disruption.
Each case brings us closer to a threshold we may not detect until it’s crossed.
BREAKING:
Experts Warn Rising Bird Flu Cases in Humans Could Trigger Next Pandemic, with Potential Origin in the US
Experts in Spain have warned that the next pandemic could originate in the United States.
DJ...the country testing & reporting may be "blamed"....And the US does have a problem. But it is very likely Latin American farm workers-returning from the US may have been infected. Exported US cattle, raw milk, poultry was infected...
Fran Franco, head of microbiology at Juan Ramon Jimenez University Hospital, said, "If something happens in the US, it will be known instantly."
Experts in Spain are confident that the global surveillance system would detect human infections of H5N1 avian flu.
They said the lessons learned from the COVID pandemic have strengthened all systems. "We are much better off than in 2020," they stated.
At last week's briefing, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus noted the "concerning spread" of H5N1 in the US.
DJ...again-my non expert view; H5N1 is just one of the problems. Spread via migratory birds means it may be hard to detect...
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00558-4 - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00558-4 or https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00558-4 ;
The https://www.nature.com/subjects/influenza-virus - influenza virus might have started in fish. Researchers trawling genetic databases have discovered a distant relative of influenza viruses — which are responsible for seasonal flu, not to mention the https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01338-2 - avian flu roiling the globe — in sturgeon https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00558-4#ref-CR1 - 1 .
DJ, cattle, poultry, pigs may catch (a form of) flu...The A-H5N1 going global in (sea)mammals could affect the "flu-system" (with A, B, C and D types of flu...).
During the "Spanish Flu" (1917-1923) global population was under 2 billion-transport was slow...In 2025 we have close to 8,2 billion people...hundreds of billions of mammals...and CoVid still out of control...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2024 at 11:09pm
DJ, "pet-spread"...cats, dogs, may eat infected bird(droppings) or be in contact with other sources of infection...
https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/cats/h5n1-testing-in-dogs-and-cats-who-when-why-how/ - https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/cats/h5n1-testing-in-dogs-and-cats-who-when-why-how/ or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/cats/h5n1-testing-in-dogs-and-cats-who-when-why-how/ ;
As H5N1 avian influenza continues to spillover into domestic animals and people, the question of when to test animals (especially cats) keeps coming up.
Testing isn’t just a matter of swabbing a bunch of animals and sending the samples to the lab (which unfortunately is not uncommonly done, and it often leads to problems).
There are lots of things to consider before we start testing, which I’ll bin into 4 major questions: what is the goal, who will be tested, what test will be used, and what will be done with the results?
1. Specifically are we testing:
to understand more about how common the disease is, what it looks like clinically, risk factors, virus variants and transmission risks? Those are surveillance goals.
OR to inform how we’ll care for and manage individual animals? That’s clinical testing.
These goals can overlap, but they are not the same
2. In the case of H5N1 testing in companion animals, do we test all cats and dogs? All the cats? All cats and dogs with certain signs of illness? All cats and dogs with certain risk factors? Any pet that looks abnormal?
What we learn will vary a lot based on who we test. It will also impact efficiency and costs. More testing can provide more information but also costs more (time and money). For rare diseases (and I still consider spillovers of H5N1 influenza into pets to be rare overall at this point), you can do a lot of testing and get no positive results. That’s still informative in some ways, but broad testing can be pretty low yield in this type of scenario.
3.For H5N1 influenza, PCR is our standard go-to test for a number of reasons, but there are also some “rapid” point-of-care tests that get talked up periodically (more on that below). Different tests perform differently, so we need to pick the right test for the right population based on the goal of the testing.
4.What will be done with the test results?
This is the biggest question.
If we’re doing surveillance testing, is the design of the testing scheme robust enough to actually allow us to infer anything relevant beyond the animals sampled? Poor study design leads to poor (or no) conclusions.
If we’re doing clinical testing, what will be the response be, and will it differ if the test is positive or negative?
Too often, people do a test, and only think about what to do after they get the result. That can be problematic. What will we do with pets that test positive for H5N1 influenza?
Will we euthanize positive pets?
I hope not, but it’s a knee jerk response we handle sometimes.
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What I would like to see/do in terms of H5N1 influenza testing in pets
Surveillance testing
Testing of cats/dogs with clinical signs suggestive of H5N1 influenza infection.
Right now, the focus is on pets with severe neurological and/or respiratory disease. Testing these animals lets us know how common the infection is in these cases, lets us investigate risk factors and transmission risks, and lets us do viral sequencing.
Currently the most widespread testing for H5N1 flu in pets is probably secondary testing of rabies suspects, whereby cats that are being tested for rabies (which often have neurological disease) get tested for flu if the rabies test is negative. This is a convenient and useful surveillance method that can contribute useful infomation, especially if other organized surveillance is lacking, but the sample is limited.
Testing of dogs/cats with more common respiratory or flu-like illness signs.
We need this to understand the scope of disease caused by H5N1 influenza in pets. Are severe cases all that occur or are they all that we’re currently diagnosing? We need to know if there’s a fraction of cases that only have milder disease, particularly to help us assess and mitigate transmission risks.
We can’t test every sneezing cat, but we can do targeted surveillance by focusing on animals with a realistic risk of exposure to the virus. So, I’d like to test sick cats and dogs in areas where H5N1 flu is active (i.e. in wild birds) and where there’s a reasonable risk of exposure (e.g. outdoor access). This balances throwing a wide net to get a better broad understanding, and being efficient with our time and money.
Clinical testing
This is a tougher call. Most often, H5N1 flu testing would not impact patient care. It could help inform us about risk to the clinic or household, so it’s good information to have, but we can’t dismiss risk based on a negative test, so it doesn’t have a huge impact on what we do regardless.
The less surveillance testing there is, the more valuable opportunistic clinical test is for quasi-surveillance purposes, but that’s usually going to be at the owner’s cost. Spending a couple of hundred dollars to test a severely ill animal with little expectation that the test will change the response or the outcome is hard to justify. If money is tight, I’d rather have owners spend that on treatment. Some people will pay for the testing because they want to know, or because they are worried about exposure of family members, but relying on owners to cover testing isn’t a great approach. It’s still worth discussing in any case since there can be some limited benefits.
What about rapid in-clinic tests for H5N1 influenza in pets?
It’s been suggested that veterinarians should start stocking rapid in-clinic H5N1 tests and use them liberally when presented with sick dogs and cats. I’m a bit wary of this because we don’t know how good those tests are. If we test a lot of low-risk animals and the test isn’t 100% specific, most of our positives are likely to be false positives. That’s alright if we’re just using it as a screening test and we follow-up with a proper test ASAP, but sometimes people rely too much on the screening test, and that can lead to over-reactions and other problems. On the other hand, if the test isn’t very sensitive, we run a good chance of missing the small number of true positives. If the test is no better than a coin toss, it won’t help.
Collecting good samples can be a challenge (especially trying to swab cats) so that drops the functional sensitivity of any test (i.e. we get more false negatives because of poor samples.
To be useful, we would need:
a rapid test with high sensitivity (reliably detects all the infected animals) AND high specificity (gives us very few false positives)
AND good samples
AND the capacity to follow up positive tests with PCR testing
AND a communication plan for animals that are confirmed positive
But we’re not necessarily there yet. I’d consider rapid testing appealing, but probably not ready for prime time.
DJ, In a serious pandemic testing capacity is overstretched and (some) humans are prioritized (above other humans). A possible infected pet may be kept isolated and cared for by the owner. Hopefully wearing a mask, eye protection...
But-in a serious pandemic-lots of pet owners may die. There could be too many pets to handdle and they may need a lot of care, be high risk. So very likely-in a worser case scenario-quite a lot of pets (even healthy ones) may NOT survive-simply because of lack of care capacity...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2024 at 11:39pm
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6269246/ - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6269246/ or https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6269246/ ;
How influenza A viruses host-jump from animal reservoir species to humans, which can initiate global pandemics, is a central question in pathogen evolution. The zoonotic and spatial origins of the influenza virus associated with the “Spanish flu” pandemic of 1918 have been debated for decades. Outbreaks of respiratory disease in US swine occurred concurrently with disease in humans, raising the possibility that the 1918 virus originated in pigs. Swine also were proposed as “mixing vessel” intermediary hosts between birds and humans during the 1957 Asian and 1968 Hong Kong pandemics. Swine have presented an attractive explanation for how avian viruses overcome the substantial evolutionary barriers presented by different cellular environments in humans and birds. However, key assumptions underpinning the swine mixing-vessel model of pandemic emergence have been challenged in light of new evidence. Increased surveillance in swine has revealed that human-to-swine transmission actually occurs far more frequently than the reverse, and there is no empirical evidence that swine played a role in the emergence of human influenza in 1918, 1957, or 1968.
DJ, The H1N1 "Spanish Flu" may have spread from humans into pigs...not the other way round. H1N1 may have been limited most to human hosts...Surviving the infection could result in chronic disease but also would provide H1N1 immunity...
The 2024 story is much more complex-with H5N1 in lots of (hundreds of) species...Even if the spread in humans would remain limited and mild-it may decrease food (meat, dairy, eggs) production...
And-again-H5N1 is only one of many healthissues in a world with 4x to 5x the population it had in 1918...
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The Spanish Flu had World War One as a background. Military did infect eachother in their barracks, hospitals, trenches...Population in Europe, Asia (etc) was in a bad shape...
Very likely lots of colonies did see a very high number of people die...but there was not much civil administration or care...
In 2024/2025 "war" is a political priority. Ignoring both climate collapse-increasing pandemic risks and the ongoing pandemics...(HIV-AIDS, CoViD).
"Panic control" - if you can not control a disaster get control over the news dealing with the disaster...
Information is a basic tool essential in ALL disaster scenario's...And recent past indicate the information tool is not well managed...
Masks, eye protection, avoiding crowds/isolation, work/study from home if possible...These steps can be taken NOW !
Christmas/New Year-but also the biden/trump "switch" make a pandemic strategy harder...
Do flu, CoViD-vaccines offer some protection against H5N1 ? It could explain why the US now is in a H5N1-crisis...low vaccination rate...In most other countries public healthcare providing vaccines (tax-paid) to higher risk groups...Also in general sick-leave rules see one still gets 70% to 100% of the income when ill...
Workers spreading disease to co-workers was seen during CoViD...It was/is avoidable by better social laws.
Schools could offer on-line learning more...as part of a pandemic containment strategy...
DJ..."learning the hard way" -can't fix stupid...Vaccines to deal with H5N1 may take months...By the time they get available the health crisis may have changed...
Enough !
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2024 at 11:20am
BREAKING:
CDC confirms the first severe human case of H5N1 bird flu in the U.S.
The case is a patient from Louisian who had contact with infected birds.
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DJ, "underlying healthissues"? (Could be serious healthissues...sometimes " underlying health" may mean a little overweight... https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/louisiana/1002460-louisiana-human-h5n1-cases-2024 - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/louisiana/1002460-louisiana-human-h5n1-cases-2024 or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/louisiana/1002460-louisiana-human-h5n1-cases-2024 ;
Updated 4:26 PM CST, December 18, 2024 ... A person in Louisiana is hospitalized in critical condition with severe respiratory symptoms caused by a bird flu infection, state health officials said. The person, who is over 65 and has underlying medical problems, had been in contact with sick and dead birds in a backyard flock. ... The Louisiana illness comes weeks after Canadian officials reported that a teen in British Columbia was hospitalized with a severe case of bird flu. In both instances, the illnesses were caused by a strain of the virus found in wild birds, not in cattle, officials said.
On a call with reporters, CDC officials did not answer a question about whether the new U.S. case and the Canada case had any similarities or differences. ... Flu experts said the trajectory of the virus in people remains unclear, but they urged people who have contact with sick or dead birds to take precautions, including wearing respiratory and eye protection and gloves when handling poultry. ... https://apnews.com/article/bird-flu-severe-louisiana-2b4a5f55a05cf8be9b169c15e8b9582d%E2%80%8B - https://apnews.com/article/bird-flu-severe-louisiana-2b4a5f55a05cf8be9b169c15e8b9582d
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Los Angeles County confirmed two cats infected with H5N1 bird flu, with three more cats suspected of being infected.
The confirmed cases drank raw milk that had been recalled, while the new suspected cases are being investigated for eating raw meat.
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Additional pets in the home are under quarantine.
There may not be word from https://x.com/hashtag/CDC?src=hashtag_click - #CDC till tomorrow about whether it could confirm the infection of the Wisconsin poultry farm worker who tested positive for https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 https://x.com/hashtag/birdflu?src=hashtag_click - #birdflu . In the meantime, WI officials revealed the woman had sore throat, slight fever, some fatigue, some eye discharge. She's improving.
NEW YORK DECLARES FLU PREVALENT STATEWIDE—MASKS REQUIRED FOR UNVACCINATED HEALTH WORKERS IN CERTAIN SETTINGS
https://health.ny.gov/press/releases/2024/2024-12-18_flu.htm - https://health.ny.gov/press/releases/2024/2024-12-18_flu.htm or https://health.ny.gov/press/releases/2024/2024-12-18_flu.htm
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/emerging-data-shows-that-united-states-is-facing-a-phenomenal-covid-19-surge-with-almost-750000-daily-infections - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/emerging-data-shows-that-united-states-is-facing-a-phenomenal-covid-19-surge-with-almost-750000-daily-infections or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/emerging-data-shows-that-united-states-is-facing-a-phenomenal-covid-19-surge-with-almost-750000-daily-infections
https://pmc19.com/data/ - https://pmc19.com/data/ or https://pmc19.com/data/ (TMN has more links)
Flu-Rona on the rise in the US ?
DJ
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2024 at 10:30pm
https://nltimes.nl/2024/12/17/dutch-healthcare-system-expected-face-shortage-266000-workers-2035 - https://nltimes.nl/2024/12/17/dutch-healthcare-system-expected-face-shortage-266000-workers-2035 or https://nltimes.nl/2024/12/17/dutch-healthcare-system-expected-face-shortage-266000-workers-2035 ;
The shortage of healthcare workers in the Netherlands is set to grow at an alarming rate in the coming years, with projections indicating a deficit of https://nos.nl/artikel/2548636-tekorten-zorgpersoneel-nemen-sneller-toe-hoogste-prioriteit-minister-agema - 266,000 workers by 2035.
The largest shortages are expected in nursing and care homes, with the most significant gaps in staffing found among healthcare assistants, caregivers with vocational training, nurses with MBO (secondary vocational education) and HBO (higher professional education) degrees, and social service workers with HBO qualifications.
DJ, the present neo-fascist "pvvd" "goverment" is trying to kick out M&M's Muslims and Migrants...CoViD numbers in NL remain low, flu is on the rise...
The "neo-liberal idea" is to go for maximum profits in any-created-crisis...So the present western "politicians-for-sale" do care about profits...do not care about people...
Genocide by pandemic seems to be a strategy...
Mpox is on the rise, with more variants/clades just a matter of time...CoViD in several places around the globe in a new wave...H5N1 "welcomed" to mix with other types of flu-co-spread with other diseases...
Putting billions of public-tax money to "private pockets" for Big Pharma solutions...
DJ-Non sterilizing vaccines could limit loss of lives from CoViD-however can not get us out of the CoViD pandemic. Vaccines are -at best- part of a strategy-these vaccines can NOT solve the problem...
H5N1 is now spread by wild, migratory, birds in a high risk virus form. North America now has two severe cases, Canada-teen, US 65+ both fighting for their lives...
"Case-case-cluster-cluster-boom"scenario...with lots of info "kept private"...
DJ-Again, flu can be part of "a new pandemic"; CoViD damaging immunity means lots of diseases may show up (in lots of species...resulting in new diseases for some species...).
Again, corona-virus is NOT new. It was almost 80 years "old/recognized" when CoViD started. In farm animals CoViD only was controlled by killing all the farm animals...
"Living with the virus" -just like "living with climate collapse" is insane...A bit like keeping a metro-system running in a flooded city...
In history the "Spanish Flu" may be even seen as a "mild pandemic"...Black Death, Roman Plagues killing sometimes over 50% of a population...If "a new pandemic" would kill 5% of the present global human population of 8,2 billion it would kill 160 million people...
That may be an optimistic scenario...result in other "feed backs" depending on who is getting killed. Health Care Workers (HCW) and teachers, police high risk...In the Spanish Flu young people with strong immune response died because of immunity overreaction and bacterial co-infections...
"Political criminals" claiming "pandemics kill the old and weak" do not know history (or basic human values...). Underlining psychopaths running politics may be the real problem...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2024 at 1:12pm
Arizona = 2, poultry contact https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/arizona/1001949-arizona-human-cases-h5n1-2024#post1001951 - link
California = 34, dairy cattle (33), unknown source (1) https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/california/997917-us-california-h5n1-human-cases-october-3-2024-34-known-cases - link
Colorado + Michigan = 20, cattle & poultry contacts (These states must be combined b/c the CDC did not give a state breakdown of the 8 sero+ cases). CDC does not include the sero+ cases in their case count. https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/other-scientific-studies-including-seasonal-novel-flu/h5n1-research-studies-papers-academia/999960-mmwr-serologic-evidence-of-recent-infection-with-highly-pathogenic-avian-influenza-a-h5-virus-among-dairy-workers-%E2%80%94-michigan-and-colorado-june%E2%80%93august-2024 - link https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/colorado/993492-colorado-state-health-officials-confirm-9-cases-of-h5-h5n1-avian-flu-in-colorado-poultry-workers-and-one-dairy-worker-10-total-for-state-july-12 - link https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/michigan/990923-michigan-human-cases-of-h5n1-2024-2-cases - link
Delaware = 1, unknown source, not confirmed by CDC https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/delaware/1002531-us-cdc-probable-human-h5n1-case-with-no-defined-exposure-in-delaware-tests-negative-at-the-cdc-december-13-2024 - link
Louisiana = 1, contact with sick & dead birds https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/louisiana/1002460-louisiana-human-h5n1-cases-2024 - link
Missouri - 2, unknown source - CDC only counts 1 of these cases https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/missouri/996496-us-human-h5n1-bird-flu-case-confirmed-in-missouri-september-06-2024?p=996873#post996873 - link
Oregon - 1, poultry https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/oregon/1000514-oregon%E2%80%99s-first-human-case-of-avian-influenza-reported-by-health-officials - link
Texas - 3, all cattle, CDC only counts 1 of these cases. 2 other cases are cited in a research paper. It is possible one of the cases in the paper is the same case acknowledged by the CDC. Without a real CDC line list it is impossible to know with certainty. https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/other-scientific-studies-including-seasonal-novel-flu/h5n1-research-studies-papers-academia/994601-medrxiv-a-one-health-investigation-into-h5n1-avian-influenza-virus-epizootics-on-two-dairy-farms - link https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/texas/990925-texas-human-cases-of-h5n1-2024-one-case - link
Washington - 14, all poultry contact, apparently some samples reached the CDC degraded so they count only 11. https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/washington/998916-washington-state-human-h5n1-cases-2024-14-confirmed-probable-cases-october-20-2024?p=999918#post999918 - link
H5N1 has killed 14.5 million birds in just 30 days.
It’s only one mutation away from spreading between humans—just one.
Imagine the nightmare if that happens.
DJ, most major risk is in H5N1 mixing with other types of flu/co-spreading with CoViD, Mpox...
This individual, a woman who worked on a Wisconsin poultry farm with https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 https://x.com/hashtag/birdflu?src=hashtag_click - #birdflu infected poultry, has been confirmed as a case by
https://x.com/CDCgov - @CDCgov
. National total up to at least 64 confirmed cases in 8 states this year, I believe.
DJ..not yet included in a list ?
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2024 at 11:44pm
Urgent care today.Flu A positive.I did take flu vaccine in September.All antivirals locally in Louisiana are out of stock&only 4 Tamiflu left. I got one.Flu A is wild in http://LA.Im suspicious of H5 going undetected.everyone sick.pneumonia everywhere.constant sirens
RAPID SPREAD OF H5N1 IN CALIFORNIA DAIRY HERDS RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT UNKNOWN TRANSMISSION PATHWAYS.
EXPERTS DOUBT USDA’S THEORY EXPLAINS THE FULL STORY.
DJ, Aerosol spread of H5N1-spreading from mammal-to-mammal in California ?
BREAKING:
U.S. Sees Record 750,000 Daily COVID-19 Infections and 5.236 Million New Cases in One Week Amid 10th Wave Surge
Currently, 1 in every 64 Americans is infected with COVID-19, and an estimated 5 million new infections are expected this week.
DJ, In other places CoViD-vaccine levels may be higher...Also farm workers may be in a better legal position. Risks taken more serious...(Here in NL a vet died from H7N7 when dealing with that type of flu on a farm several years ago...).
DJ-Very likely CoViD undermines immunity to such a level H5N1, Mpox etc. did get more room. More study would be very welcome...
Do CoViD/Flu vaccines decrease H5N1 risks in humans ? To what level ?
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2024 at 12:07pm
DJ-Just some links-to much stories...DRC-Congo flu linked ?
MYSTERY DISEASE
DEADLY OUTBREAK IN CONGO LINKED TO INFLUENZA
28% FLU POSITIVITY IN SAMPLES
SOURCE: XINHUA FRENCH
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/ukhsa-warns-that-flu-and-covid-19-infections-rapidly-rising-at-rates-never-seen-in-past-three-winters-in-britain - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/ukhsa-warns-that-flu-and-covid-19-infections-rapidly-rising-at-rates-never-seen-in-past-three-winters-in-britain or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/ukhsa-warns-that-flu-and-covid-19-infections-rapidly-rising-at-rates-never-seen-in-past-three-winters-in-britain
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/influenza-surge-in-japan-threatens-schools-and-healthcare-system-while-covid-19-cases-are-also-rising-nationwide - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/influenza-surge-in-japan-threatens-schools-and-healthcare-system-while-covid-19-cases-are-also-rising-nationwide or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/influenza-surge-in-japan-threatens-schools-and-healthcare-system-while-covid-19-cases-are-also-rising-nationwide
In Duitsland in één dag 59 Covid-19 doden. En dit zijn alleen de officiële cijfers.
Bij hoeveel mensen die overleden zijn door Covid-19 staat er op de overlijdensakte hartinfarct, beroerte etc.
DJ, a main reason-very likely-why some regions are NOT sinking into problems could be lack of testing...Waiting to go for help because of christmas etc.
DJ-I did expect early 2024 would see a very major CoViD-wave...it did however not happen-even with sewage-CoViD-virus-values high in december 2023...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2024 at 12:59pm
We are in deep trouble. Even if it stays primarily in animals, we are way behind the eight ball. Beef, pork, poultry, and eggs comprise 52% of calories in the American diet. If you don't think starvation could happen here, think again.
link https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/bird-flu-spread-cattle-poultry-pandemic-cdc/ - https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/bird-flu-spread-cattle-poultry-pandemic-cdc/ or https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/bird-flu-spread-cattle-poultry-pandemic-cdc/
DJ, Increase of meat consumption is more "mouths to feed"..as long as it is not "litter" a part of food for animals may be of use for human consumption..
I've just spent a while on other forums reading up on what's happening on small homesteads & backyard poultry farms. It's not good. The level of knowledge about https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 on the part of these small farmers is very limited. That's to be expected. It's a brand new situation.
What is unexpected is the level of knowledge demonstrated by the local and even state authorities. The level of risk is being severely downplayed, even as these people loose their entire flocks. These backyard poultry infections are almost certainly D1.1, yet authorities are reassuring the owners that infections in humans are "mild."
I'll try to summarize some of this tomorrow but it's not encouraging. Louisiana can do everyone a very large favor by releasing as much information as possible about this case and share the reality of what can happen with this virus.
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/la-county-animal-health-alert-h5-bird.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/la-county-animal-health-alert-h5-bird.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/la-county-animal-health-alert-h5-bird.html ;On Thursday, in https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/la-county-confirms-h5-in-two-cats.html - L.A. County Confirms H5 In Two Cats - Investigating 3 More Suspected Feline Cases , we learned of a second household where HPAI H5 was suspected in the infection, and deaths, of cats in Los Angeles.
Unlike the first event - which was linked to raw milk consumption - the second outbreak appears linked to commercial raw meat pet food.
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https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/cats/h5n1-flu-in-cats-in-california-an-update/ - https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/cats/h5n1-flu-in-cats-in-california-an-update/ or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/cats/h5n1-flu-in-cats-in-california-an-update/
DJ, high risk forms of H5N1 already spreading-and getting better in spreading-in lots of mammals. How it spreads may be only explainable via aerosol/droplets..."airborne"..
Masks/eye-protection does offer protection...CoViD damage increases risks..
It is WRONG to believe a flu-pandemic/flu-rona will come/start in/from the US...It may come as a surprise from another location..
Testing, limiting risks, now are essential ! There is still a decreasing chance we will NOT see a high risk flu pandemic. Flu-vaccines may do "more then expected"...
However luck may be running out..
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California health officials have monitored about 5,000 people and tested 130 who had potential symptoms of H5N1 bird flu, according to Erica Pan, state epidemiologist.
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2024 at 12:01am
DJ, A wise person claimed "You can not fix stupid"...
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In spite of their milk being recalled after H5N1 bird flu was detected, Raw Farm's aren't letting up on their belief in raw milk, which increased sales to $30 million.
With RFK Jr.’s nomination, they’re hoping to sell a lot more, according to Forbes.
DJ, So we have to survive "stupidism" -since we can not avoid stupid...
https://x.com/outbreakupdates/status/1870731391761355150 - https://x.com/outbreakupdates/status/1870731391761355150 or https://x.com/outbreakupdates/status/1870731391761355150 ;
This virus thrives in the conditions we’ve created to feed billions.
But these same systems could spark a global food collapse.
Industrial farming is a necessity.
With nearly 8 billion people on Earth, we need efficient systems to produce food at scale.
Poultry and livestock farms are a cornerstone of global nutrition, especially in regions where affordable protein is scarce.
DJ, 25 twitter-postings but the basic is H5N1 is an outcome of "how we organize things".
This time of year has not much active news sources in "normal times". So if there is a lot of "news" in this time it may be indicating a "level of alarm"...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2024 at 2:43am
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines/1003033-mol-ther-low-inflammatory-lipid-nanoparticle-based-mrna-vaccine-elicits-protective-immunity-against-h5n1-high-pathogenicity-avian-influenza-virus-with-reduced-adverse-reactions - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines/1003033-mol-ther-low-inflammatory-lipid-nanoparticle-based-mrna-vaccine-elicits-protective-immunity-against-h5n1-high-pathogenicity-avian-influenza-virus-with-reduced-adverse-reactions or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines/1003033-mol-ther-low-inflammatory-lipid-nanoparticle-based-mrna-vaccine-elicits-protective-immunity-against-h5n1-high-pathogenicity-avian-influenza-virus-with-reduced-adverse-reactions ;
Messenger RNA vaccines based on lipid nanoparticles (mRNA-LNPs) are promising vaccine modalities. However, mRNA-LNP vaccines frequently cause adverse reactions such as swelling and fever in humans, partly due to the inflammatory nature of LNP. Modification of the ionizable lipids used in LNP is one approach to avoid these adverse reactions. Herein, we report the development of mRNA-LNP vaccines with better protective immunity and reduced adverse reactions using LNP, which contains a disulfide (SS)-cleavable bond and pH-activated lipid-like materials with oleic acid (ssPalmO) as an ionizable lipid (LNPssPalmO). We used mRNA expressing H5N1 subtype high-pathogenicity avian influenza virus-derived hemagglutinin or neuraminidase to generate mRNA-LNP vaccines against H5N1 influenza. Compared with conventional LNP, mRNA-LNPssPalmO induced comparable antigen-specific antibodies and better interferon-gamma (IFN-γ)-producing T-helper type-1 (Th1) responses in mice. Both mRNA-LNPssPalmO and conventional mRNA-LNP conferred strong protection against homologous H5N1 virus challenge. In addition, mRNA-LNPssPalmO showed better cross-protection against heterologous H5N1 virus challenge compared with conventional mRNA-LNPs. Furthermore, we observed that mRNA-LNPssPalmO induced less inflammatory responses (e.g., inflammatory cytokine production and vascular hyperpermeability) and fewer adverse reactions (e.g., weight loss and fever) compared with conventional mRNA-LNP. These results suggest that mRNA-LNPssPalmO would be a safe alternative to conventional vaccines to overcome mRNA-LNP vaccine hesitancy.
DJ, I did get 7 S E V E N !!!! CoViD vaccinations....I do believe it does limit damage when I catch(ed) CoViD. I do get a flu-vaccine every year...
However; vaccines can NOT be the solution to an unhealthy way of "living/running an economy"....
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Medical-historians very likely never agree for a 100% on what made the Spanish Flu into a pandemic...It did take 50 years to link the H1N1 flu-virus to some people who died from the flu, burried in frozen soil in Alaska. There are "limited" virus-indications...Some people who did survive the flu-pandemic may have seen blood samples taken...The peak of the Spanish Flu pandemic is now over 100 years ago...
Was the flu-virus itself "very high risk" or was it -mostly- the background. Concentrating lots of people in many places-resulting in very high spread. Some of those catching the Spanish Flu also already in bad shape...Very likely a mix of both...
Did the Spanish Flu spread into (other) mammals ?
Can the Spanish flu infect animals?
Presented data support the hypothesis that the 1918 pandemic influenza virus was able to infect and replicate in swine, causing a respiratory disease, and that the virus was likely introduced into the pig population during the 1918 pandemic, resulting in the current lineage of the classical H1N1 swine influenza viruses ...
Experimental Infection of Pigs with the Human 1918 Pandemic ...
ASM Journals
DJ, Some claims indicate swine did get the Spanish Flu from humans...Spread from swine into other swine/mammals may have been limited...
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DJ-The present global health situation may be far more complex compared to 1917-1918...We may not have much virus-info prior to the Spanish Flu...So the 1880, 1890 outbreaks in Russia are "open for speculation" (with some claims CoViD played a role).
The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Siberian_Railway#Construction - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Siberian_Railway#Construction or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Siberian_Railway#Construction may have been a (spread) factor...
Travel (certainly long(er) distance) was very limited in most of human history.
Disease-transport-host did see animals spreading a lot of disease (flees spreading the plague). The Spanish Flu had a very high level of human-to-human spread (H2H). Other diseases-in general-may have been a limited and more local factor-in a world with under 2 billion people often living in rural societies...
In 2024/25 the US has a "very major H5N1 problem". Outside the US there may have been some cases-linked to the US (export of cattle, raw milk, farmworkers returning ill).
SE Asia did see limited cases-linked to wild birds...with some-limited-indications in Vietnam H1N1 could have been seeing some mixing with H5N1 (???).
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Pandemic risk however is more then a high risk type of disease. CoViD may "open the door" to other diseases (like Mpox-types)...however the global situation is not yet seeing a H5N1 crisis.
Christmas/New Year means schools are closed...There may be spread in gatherings.
DJ-Again-I expected we would start 2024 with a major CoViD wave-I am glad I was wrong then !
Are we in an early pandemic phase for H5N1 ? Or will the main H5N1 problem-for now-remain a US problem ?
Another aspect; If a pandemic would kill 0,5-1% of the global population in 4-6 months I may "change" the way people react to science.
Denial of any problem is easy when you are not confronted with consequences...
A major aspect is we may miss -certainly in this time of year- a lot of info/testing/sequencing..."Going blind" for almost a month...both un-wise and un-welcome...
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2024 at 8:20am
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/virus-evolution-recurring-incursions.html - https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/virus-evolution-recurring-incursions.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/virus-evolution-recurring-incursions.html ;
Virus Evolution: Recurring Incursions & Dissemination of Novel Eurasian-origin H5Nx Avian Influenza Viruses in Atlantic Canada
Last August, in https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/08/something-winged-this-way-comes.html - Something Winged This Way Comes , we discussed our `knowledge gap' of what evolutionary changes might have occurred over the summer among HPAI H5 viruses in the high latitude summer roosting areas for migratory waterfowl.
I wrote:
Exactly what returns this fall is unknown, as the virus has had numerous opportunities to reassort or mutate over the summer. We could see something worse, or if we get very lucky, an attenuated threat (see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2016/08/sci-repts-southward-autumn-migration-of.html - Sci Repts.: Southward Autumn Migration Of Waterfowl Facilitates Transmission Of HPAI H5N1 ).
And true to form, this fall we've seen two new H5N1 genotypes (D1.1 and D1.2) join the fray, causing https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/commercial-backyard-flocks - numerous outbreaks in poultry, https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/ - more than a dozen human infections , and apparently causing https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/louisiana-missouri-report-waterfowl-die.html - significant die offs of wild birds across the country.
These D1.x genotypes are genetically distinct from the B3.13 `Bovine' strain, and have been linked to at least 2 `severe' human infections. A reminder that HPAI H5 is a constantly moving target.
But at the same time, we've been tracking another viral interloper - HPAI H5N5 - making inroads both in Europe, and (repeatedly) crossing the Atlantic, and appearing in Eastern Canada (see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/the-expansion-of-hpai-h5n5.html - The Continued Expansion of HPAI H5N5 ).
New subtypes or new genotypes of the HPAI H5 virus are a product of the H5 virus reassorting with other LPAI viruses - which can occur in both birds and mammals around the globe.
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We've seen reports of https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2017/01/esa-epidemiological-update-on-h5n8h5n5.html - H5N5 in European birds going back to 2016 , but it was first detected in dead raccoons on Prince Edward Island about 18 months ago (see https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/canada-reports-first-h5n5-avian-flu-mammal-us-reports-more-h5n1-animals - CIDRAP Report ). Since last May, we've seen increasing reports of its western expansion (see https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/05/wahis-more-reports-of-hpai-h5n5.html - WAHIS: More Reports of HPAI H5N5 in Canada ).
Last July, in https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/07/cell-reports-multiple-transatlantic.html - Cell Reports: Multiple Transatlantic Incursions of HPAI clade 2.3.4.4b A(H5N5) Virus into North America and Spillover to Mammals , researchers reported finding the mammalian adaptive E627K mutation in a number of samples.
They wrote:
Thus, while A(H5N5) viruses are comparably uncommon, their high virulence and mortality potential demand global surveillance and further studies to untangle the molecular markers influencing virulence, transmission, adaptability, and host susceptibility.
While still a relatively minor player, we've seen increased H5N5 activity in both https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/norway-veterinary-institute-reports-1st.html - Europe and the https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/672a364840f7da695c921b8d/HPAI_Europe__4_October_2024.pdf - UK in recent months. To that we can also add the following journal article from Virus Evolution, which describes its repeated introductions into Canada and recent evolutionary changes.
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Over the past decade we've seen the rise (and fall) of a highly successful H5N8 virus, followed by the surprise return of a far more capable clade 2.3.4.4b H5N1 virus.
In the 3 years since H5N1 arrived in North America, the virus has evolved into https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.05.01.591751v1.full.pdf - more than 100 genotypes .
Globally, H5's diversity is even greater. Admittedly, most of these variants will fall by the wayside, unable to successfully compete against more biologically `fit' strains.
Right now, it isn't clear how much of a player H5N5 will turn out to be. For now, however, it appears to be on the ascendant.
The growing array of H5 viruses circulating globally arguably poses a much greater pandemic threat than it did just a few years ago. Meaning - even if we somehow manage to suppress or eradicate `bovine H5N1' - there are a number of other H5Nx contenders out there to take its place.
There's an old joke about a tourist asking a NYC cabby, `What’s the best way to get to Carnegie Hall?” and the cabby replies, “Practice, practice, practice”.
Unfortunately, our largely passive (` https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/11/pennsylvania-to-require-precautionary.html - don't test, don't tell' ) approach to HPAI over the past year has given HPAI nearly unfettered opportunities to practice; on cattle, humans, cats, and dozens of other peridomestic species.
Whether or when the virus will ever be ready for Carnegie Hall remains unknown.
But the longer it circulates and the more opportunities it is given to evolve (or reassort), the greater the odds are that a viral prodigy will eventually emerge.
DJ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H5N6 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H5N6 or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H5N6 ;
Since 2014, at least 94 cases have occurred in humans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H5N6#cite_note-info.gov.hk-1 - 37 people have died. A spike in human cases was reported in 2021. There have been no confirmed cases of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human-to-human_transmission - human-to-human transmission . Some infections have been identified where no direct contact with infected birds or contaminated surfaces has been known to had occurred. Only one infected woman has said that she never came into any contact with poultry
For a more global perspective. Asia may be most high-risk...somehow China does see (for centuries) new diseases starting a world tour from China...(South China rain forest animal link ?)
Also H7, H10 types of flu did show up in humans...(normal human flu is A-H1/H2/H3 types with some B-types of flu. C and D flu so far not more then a "cold" in humans...CoViD may change that...).
BREAKING:
China Faces Surge in Deadly Virus Outbreaks, Hospitals Overwhelmed as Fatalities Rise
China is grappling with a significant rise in infections from multiple deadly viruses, including COVID-19 and Human Metapneumovirus (HMPV).
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In schools, outbreaks of Adenovirus and Norovirus have forced many to shift to online classes. Norovirus, which causes vomiting and stomach pain, has already infected 18 children at some schools.
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Health authorities have warned that Norovirus is resistant to common disinfectants and alcohol, complicating containment efforts.
Also, Influenza, Mycoplasma pneumoniae, and other viruses are spreading quickly further overwhelming hospitals and increasing respiratory infections.
DJ, "Normal viruses creating abnormal symptoms due to CoViD ???"
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2024 at 12:29pm
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/987828-discussion-thread-h5n1-avian-flu-in-us-dairy-cows-including-human-cases-poultry-dairy-workers-march-24-2024?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/987828-discussion-thread-h5n1-avian-flu-in-us-dairy-cows-including-human-cases-poultry-dairy-workers-march-24-2024?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/987828-discussion-thread-h5n1-avian-flu-in-us-dairy-cows-including-human-cases-poultry-dairy-workers-march-24-2024?view=stream (latest);
December 22, 2024 NBC News Key warning signs about bird flu are all going in the wrong direction
Excerpt:
“The traffic light is changing from green to amber,” said Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, who studies infectious diseases. “So many signs are going in the wrong direction.”
No bird flu transmission between humans has been documented, and the CDC maintains that the immediate risk to public health is low. But scientists are increasingly worried, based on four key signals.
For one, (1) the bird flu virus — known as H5N1 — has spread uncontrolled in animals, including cows frequently in contact with people. Additionally, (2) detections in wastewater show the virus is leaving a wide-ranging imprint, and not just in farm animals.
Then there are (3) several cases in humans where no source of infection has been identified, as well as research about the pathogen’s evolution, which has shown that the virus is (4) evolving to better fit human receptors and that it will take fewer mutations to spread among people.
Together, experts say, these indicators suggest the virus has taken steps toward becoming the next pandemic.
“We’re in a very precarious situation right now,” said Scott Hensley, a professor of microbiology at the University of Pennsylvania.
https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/cats/h5n1-flu-in-cats-in-california-an-update/ - https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/cats/h5n1-flu-in-cats-in-california-an-update/ or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/cats/h5n1-flu-in-cats-in-california-an-update/ ;
I’m spending a lot of time talking to veterinarians about how to flag potential H5N1 flu cases in pets coming into the clinic, both to help make a quick diagnosis and to help ensure any risk of further transmission from infected pets is contained. Our lack of understanding of the disease in cats is a big challenge, including the potential scope of illness, how common it is, and what the main risk factors are. This report from California actually helps a lot, as it provides more information about a broader range of clinical signs in cats, and once again raises the concern about the potential for exposure via raw pet diets.
The LA County Department of Public Health is recommending that veterinarians ask owners of sick pets about raw milk and raw diet exposure.
That’s good advice all the time, and is particularly important now.
I’d add a need to query outdoor access as a potential risk factor for exposure as well (both intended outdoor access (i.e. indoor-outdoor cats) or unintended access (i.e. indoor cat sneaking out)).
They are also recommending the use of appropriate PPE “when in contact with animals suspected or confirmed of being infected with H5 bird flu; acutely sick animals that have history of exposure to raw milk or raw milk products, wild birds or raw or undercooked animal products.”
That’s good advice too. “Appropriate PPE” isn’t defined but I consider it to be a mask (ideally an N95 respirator or equivalent), gown and gloves, and eye / face protection (which often gets overlooked).
They don’t give a specific disease type to focus on in terms of screening cats for flu infection. That’s fair, because we just don’t know what to expect in all cases at this point. We know that flu sometimes kills cats showing signs of severe neurological and/or respiratory disease. We don’t know if some infected cats may have less severe signs, but we should approach it as if they can. So, cats with risk factors and non-specific disease should also be handled with care, at least for now.
They are also recommending flu vaccination of veterinary personnel. “Animal health staff are strongly recommended to receive their seasonal flu vaccine. Although this vaccine is not proven to prevent infection with H5 Bird Flu, it can help protect staff from seasonal human flu which is circulating right now.”
That’s a good idea too. Seasonal flu vaccination may not do anything to protect against H5N1 infection, but may help to to avoid people getting infected with H5N1 and human seasonal flu at the same time. That helps to decrease the risk of H5N1 flu mixing with a human flu strain to make a new (and potentially nastier) strain that is more easily transmitted to and between people.
I suspect we’re going to learn a lot more about H5N1 in cats in the next few months, especially from https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/12/18/governor-newsom-takes-proactive-action-to-strengthen-robust-state-response-to-bird-flu/ - California, where a state of emergency has been declared because of their poorly contained dairy cattle H5N1 flu situation .
DJ, growing concerns...mammal-spread soon could jump to human spread on a larger scale.
H5N1 in cats may be a global issue-outdoor cats may ear infected animals/droppings and may be more vulnerable then dogs...
https://x.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click - #H5N1 https://x.com/hashtag/AvianInfluenza?src=hashtag_click - #AvianInfluenza updates - https://x.com/hashtag/Washington?src=hashtag_click - #Washington
WFAC reports https://x.com/hashtag/HPAI?src=hashtag_click - #HPAI has claimed the lives of over half their https://x.com/hashtag/wildfelids?src=hashtag_click - #wildfelids with rapid fatal pneumonia-like symptoms (likely D.1* genotype)
Quarantine & other protective measures followed
Hope they can protect the rest of their cats
Canine Parvovirus Outbreak
The highly contagious canine parvovirus outbreak in Windsor is escalating, with at least 18 dogs dead and 34 infected.
Officials warn the real number is likely higher due to unreported cases.
This outbreak is dynamic.
- https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/dynamic-situation-why-death-toll-from-dog-virus-continues-climbing-in-windsor - https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/dynamic-situation-why-death-toll-from-dog-virus-continues-climbing-in-windsor or https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/dynamic-situation-why-death-toll-from-dog-virus-continues-climbing-in-windsor