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https://english.news.cn/europe/20250128/00183759eecb40e48cc9d574e5d62f85/c.html or https://english.news.cn/europe/20250128/00183759eecb40e48cc9d574e5d62f85/c.html ; HELSINKI, Jan. 27 (Xinhua) -- Denmark has unveiled plans to bolster its military presence in the Arctic amid rising concerns over the U.S. interest in acquiring Greenland, a Danish-owned territory.

Danish Defence Minister Troels Lund Poulsen announced late Monday that the government will allocate 14.6 billion Danish krona (approximately 2 billion U.S. dollars) to boost the defence of Greenland, Arctic Sea and Northern Atlantic. The decision follows an agreement among Danish political parties.

The plans will include three new arctic naval vessels and two long-range drones, increased surveillance and crisis training for the local residents. Poulsen said in a press conference that these preparations are just the initial phase, with further plans expected to be finalized by summer.

According to Danish Broadcasting Corporation, the new vessels would enter service within five or six years, expected to replace existing vessels.

When questioned about whether these measures would "calm down" U.S. President Donald Trump's interest in Greenland, Poulsen refrained from a direct response, underlining the importance of co-operation with NATO allies, including Canada, the United States and Norway.

President Trump has recently reiterated the U.S. interest in Greenland, which remains an autonomous area under Danish sovereignty.

Referring to an upcoming meeting on Tuesday with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, French President Emmanuel Macron and NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said Europe is in a serious situation. "With war on the continent and changes in the geopolitical reality. In such a time, unity is crucial." 


DJ, "western media/propaganda" (cnn, bbc, reuters, dw etc) also "mentioned" this news...A lot of Danish news behind paywall...Xinhua is Chines...at a certain distance...

The 2 billion extra Danish defense spending has to be a part of a wider program. 
-Less spending on US weapons if trump becomes a risk would be "more then wise"...Sweden has a major defense industry...
-Finding allies may strengthen the Danish/Greenland position...Canada HAS to be a major ally. Norway-in Svalbard (Spitsbergen Dutch and Russian name a.o.) also can be of use...
-Speeding up talks on Greenland independence/protection also is welcome...
-Closing US bases in Greenland should be an option if trump does increase pressure...
(DJ-Closing US occupation may mean cutting supply lines...The US "stayed" after World War Two..NEVER was invited by a Danish government !

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-militarily-dominating-arctic-working-china-us-slips-behind-study  or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-militarily-dominating-arctic-working-china-us-slips-behind-study ;

NATO actually currently has five more military sites in total than Russia, but the Russian military's bases are far larger. The Simons Foundation Canada has documented in a fresh study that Russia has 32 "continuously attended military sites" in the Arctic region as of 2024.

Notably the outposts located Franz Josef Land, Kotelny Island, and Wrangel Island are able to house up to 150 ground troops each.

One of NATO's founding members, Norway, maintains 15 "continuously attended military sites". And per The Simons Foundation report, other NATO members have as follows:

  • United States: 10 Arctic sites
  • Canada: 8 Arctic sites
  • Denmark: 3 Arctic sites, which are in Greenland
  • Iceland: 1 Arctic site

Still, Russia's military has warned that "the Arctic is a region for potential future conflict" amid the global build-up there, according to Russia’s Commander of the Northern Fleet, Aleksandr Moiseyev.

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As for China-Russian cooperation in the far north, the fresh WSJ report observes in the following:

That support has been prominent in the Arctic, where Chinese companies are significant investors and equipment suppliers in Russian energy projects including the Yamal LNG and Arctic 2 LNG projects. 

Russia, in return, has been shipping fuel to China using its so-called shadow fleet, by which sanctioned vessels make illicit deliveries of Russian oil to markets in Asia. Last year saw a record volume for transit cargo through the Northern Sea Route from northwestern Russia to the Bering Strait, according to Rosatom, the Russian agency that oversees the waterway. Almost all of that cargo went from Russia to China, and more than half was crude oil. The total volume remains a fraction of crude-oil traffic through the Suez Canal: While the northern route’s shorter distance can cut transit times by two weeks, sea ice remains a treacherous obstacle despite shrinking ice cover.


DJ, Russia also has stronger ice-breakers. Control from Murmansk to Magadan gives Russia a better control-more room to move...The NW passage between Greenland and Canada has more ice most of the time...
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DJ, A basic problem for Greenland is its very small population...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# ...population under 60,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland has a population under 400,000...In the past the US also "showed interest" in taking over Iceland...(partly on European, partly on American continental shell). 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Islands or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Islands also has a small population-around 55,000 people...

All three share Danish colonization history-with Greenland also an Inuit majority...

So could "GIF" Greenland-Iceland-Faroe federation work ? 
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DJ-The "GIF-model" would protect local cultures and intersts...What could "joining the US" bring ? 

If Greenland, Iceland would make a choice to "join the US" it could result in population growth...It could become a "North Atlantic Alaska" ..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska ;population just over 740, 000...over twice the GIF-population...

People could move to Greenland, Iceland for retirement, tourism...Iceland could use heat from its volcanos for glass houses to increase local foodproduction...

Food prices in GIF are very high-with very low local production capacity other then fish, sheep...Iceland has an IKEA...but most of the GIF-countries simply have a much too small market for larger scale foodproduction, low-cost supermarkets...

However GIF joining the US would END local culture...Hawaii may indicate how the US did end the local culture there...Joining the US would mean more then introduction of the US$...It would make English(American) the main language...very likely bring a "wild west culture" since both mining, fishing and agriculture in general is not the "best kind of work" ...(hard working-long hours-low pay, high risk...)

So could "GIF" Greenland-Iceland-Faroe profit from joining the US ? Very likely the US would profit much more...
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Greenland-Canada cooperation ? Most of Canadians live in a 100 miles/160 kilometer zone from the US border...I did see a question on Canada joining the EU...part of the EU idea was countries close to eachother going for better cooperation (in part to support peace). 

The UK is out of the EU...maybe Canada may work with the UK-has more links with that ? 
If the UK would rejoin the EU however...interesting...

For now Canada in the present EU may increase tensions between the French speaking and English speaking groups...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#Languages or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#Languages ;A multitude of languages are used by Canadians, with English and French (the official languages) being the mother tongues of approximately 54 percent and 19 percent of Canadians, respectively.[289] Canada's official bilingualism policies give citizens the right to receive federal government services in either English or French with official-language minorities guaranteed their own schools in all provinces and territories.[306]

see also; Canada has one of the highest per-capita immigration rates in the world,[279] driven mainly by economic policy and family reunification.[280] A record 405,000 immigrants were admitted in 2021.[281] Canada leads the world in refugee resettlement; it resettled more than 47,600 in 2022.[282] New immigrants settle mostly in major urban areas, such as Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver.[283]

DJ, Say Canada would in a referendum decide it wants to join the US...Around 8 million people speaking French, millions of recent immigrants would join the US...

YES the Canadian $ would be replaced by the US$...in land area the US would "get big"...Canadian energy, gold, uranium would become US "wealth" -however most of it already is exported to the US...

If you want "open borders" there are other ways to create that-you do not need to see Canada joining the US...

Still if you believe "Gulf of America" is improvement some people may think Canada joining the US is a step forward...It may see more chances for US democratic party though...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election 

DJ, Wikipage may be updated...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen ;

Jens Frederik Nielsen (born 22 June 1991) is a Greenlandic politician and badminton player. He is the current leader of the Demokraatit party, and formerly served as the Minister of Labour and Mineral Resources during the Kielsen VII Cabinet.[1]

Political career

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During the 2025 Greenlandic general election, Nielsen received 3,939 personal votes. Nielsen received more votes than incumbent Prime Minister Múte Bourup Egede, who received 2,679.[2]

Political views

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Nielsen is opposed to the proposed sale of Greenland to the United States.[3]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_(Greenland) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_(Greenland) ;

The Democrats (GreenlandicDemokraatit [temokʁaːt͡sit]DanishDemokraterneD) is a social liberal political party in Greenland.

The party used to be sceptical of Greenlandic independence and even further self-governance.[8] Now it supports independence as the end goal of a gradual process that starts with increased self-determination.[9] Two of the major priorities in its programme are improving educational standards and the housing situation.[2]

DJ, A very major problem for Greenland is its very small population, under 57,000. 

In terms of country of birth, the population is estimated to be of 89.7% Greenlandic multiethnic European-Inuit origin, 7.8% Danish, 1.1% other Nordic and 1.4% other. The multi-ethnic population of European-Inuit represent people of DanishNorwegian and to a lesser degree of FaroeseIcelandicDutch (whalers), German[5] and American descent.

A 2015 wide genetic study of Greenlanders found modern-day Inuit in Greenland are direct descendants of the first Inuit pioneers of the Thule culture who arrived in the 13th century, with approximately 25% admixture of the European colonisers from the 16th century. Despite previous speculations, no evidence of Viking settlers predecessors has been found.[194]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit (total number=155,792[1][2][3][4] )
Canada70,540 (2021)[1]
Greenland51,479 (2023)[2]
United States16,581 (2010)[3]
Denmark17,067 (2023)
DJ, From that perspective Inuit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#Governance or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#Governance ;
The Inuit Circumpolar Council is a United Nations-recognized non-governmental organization (NGO), which defines its constituency as Canada's Inuit and Inuvialuit, Greenland's Kalaallit Inuit, Alaska's Inupiat and Yup'ik, and Russia's Siberian Yupik,[178] despite the last two neither speaking an Inuit dialect[69] or considering themselves "Inuit". Nonetheless, it has come together with other circumpolar cultural and political groups to promote Inuit and other northern people in their fight against ecological problems such as climate change which disproportionately affects Inuit population.
DJ, Including lands/population of other Inuit groups may put Greenland in a better position. 
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https://www.euronews.com/2025/03/13/natos-rutte-instrumental-to-annexation-of-greenland-trump-suggests or https://www.euronews.com/2025/03/13/natos-rutte-instrumental-to-annexation-of-greenland-trump-suggests ;

Trump and Rutte did not schedule a press conference but did speak with reporters in the Oval Office at the start of their meeting. One reporter asked about Trump's vision for the possible annexation of Greenland.

"I think it will happen," Trump said. "I'm sitting with a man that can be very instrumental," he added, pointing to Rutte with his hand. Trump continued to elaborate on the matter:

"You know, Mark, it is very important for international security because we have a lot of our favourite players cruising around the coast, and we have to be careful. We will be talking to you."

Rutte tries to avoid involving NATO, Trump insists

Rutte intervened in Trump's speech by saying, "When it comes to Greenland, if it joins the US or not, I will leave that outside of me in this discussion because I don't want to drag NATO into that."

Rutte continued by saying that he agreed on how important the area is.

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"Russia has 40 icebreakers. We have to have protection. We have to make a deal on that. And Denmark is not able to do that. Denmark is very far away and really has nothing to do....They landed there 200 years ago or something, and they say they have rights to it. I don't know if that's true; I don't think it is, actually," the US president said.

Trump reminded the audience that his country already has several bases and many soldiers in Greenland.

"Maybe you will see more and more soldiers going there, I don't know," he concluded.

The president has been regularly demanding that European countries spend more money on their own security, and on the ongoing costs of supporting Ukraine against Russia's full-scale invasion.


DJ, DenmarK (DK) can not stop more US-military moving in...other NATO members WILL not stop that process...

Also improving port facilities in Greenland are high cost and "limited usage (mining). So again here the US could play its "game"...

However lots of countries are interested in mining in Greenland. So multi-national companies may develop mining and export themselves...in cooperation with both Greenland and DK. 
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/14/greenland-pm-calls-for-tougher-rejection-of-trumps-plan-to-take-island or https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/14/greenland-pm-calls-for-tougher-rejection-of-trumps-plan-to-take-island ;
Outgoing Prime Minister Mute Egede says ‘disrespect’ for Greenland must stop as US president again says he wants Arctic island.
US President Donald Trump and NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte appear to share a joke, in the Oval Office at the White House in Washington, DC, on Thursday [Evelyn Hockstein/Reuters]

Greenland’s outgoing Prime Minister Mute Egede has called for a stronger rejection by local politicians of United States President Donald Trump’s promise to take over the strategically-located island, warning that “enough is enough”.

“This time we need to toughen our rejection of Trump. People cannot continue to disrespect us,” Egede wrote on Facebook after Trump reiterated on Thursday his desire to annex the autonomous Danish territory.

“The American president has once again evoked the idea of annexing us. I absolutely cannot accept that,” he wrote.

“I have therefore asked the administration to summon the party heads as soon as possible,” said Egede, who continues to lead Greenland while awaiting the formation of a new government following his party’s defeat in elections on Tuesday.

Speaking earlier at the White House alongside NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, Trump doubled down on his wish to annex Greenland – an island of 57,000 people – saying: “I think it will happen.”

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Danish politician Rasmus Jarlov took to social media after the Trump meeting with Rutte, saying that Denmark did “not appreciate” the head of NATO “joking with Trump about Greenland like this”.

“It would mean war between two NATO countries,” Jarlov said.

“Greenland has just voted against immediate independence from Denmark and does not want to be American ever,” he said.

DJ, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_and_the_European_Union or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_and_the_European_Union Greenland left the EU in 1985. 
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DJ, Greenland could decide to leave NATO and go for a sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System for Greenland. 

The Antarctic Treaty and related agreements, collectively known as the Antarctic Treaty System (ATS), regulate international relations with respect to Antarctica, Earth's only continent without a native human population.

It was the first arms control agreement established during the Cold War, designating the continent as a scientific preserve, establishing freedom of scientific investigation, and banning military activity; for the purposes of the treaty system, 

Antarctica is defined as all the land and ice shelves south of 60°S latitude. Since September 2004, the Antarctic Treaty Secretariat, which implements the treaty system, is headquartered in Buenos Aires, Argentina.[3]

DJ, A neutral status may also include other Arctic regions (Svalbard, Jan Mayen...Iceland ? Canadian Arctic Archipel ?). It would be welcome 
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