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Topic: Greenland
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Subject: Greenland
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 2:47am
DJ, Again trump showed interest in Greenland. Not for climate reasons but for its resources, minerals, strategic route and Arctic position...
For the "trump-gang" Greenlanders may be only in the way for US (company) interests... YES Greenland has a lot of minerals, economic potential...Also lots of (melting) ice, a small population and a major US military base...
Russia, China also "showed interest"-Denmark did allow Greenland the right to make a lot of its choices themselves-like many other western countries defense/foreign policy only decided by the "colonizer"....
Greenland may "go for independence" -however such status only can be archived if it can find a balance between all major players in a global/Arctic time of confrontation...
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 2:54am
A basic picture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# ;
Greenland ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_language - Greenlandic : Kalaallit Nunaat, pronounced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Greenlandic - [kalaːɬːitGrønland, pronounced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Danish - [ˈkʁɶnˌlænˀ] ) is an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_administrative_division - autonomous territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-17 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-18 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-worldfactbook-19 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-worldfactbook-19 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-21 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-22 - Though a part of the continent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America - North America , Greenland has been politically and culturally associated with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe - Europe (specifically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway - Norway and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark - Denmark , the colonial powers) for more than a millennium, beginning in 986. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-Brown2000-23 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-natmus-24 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-25 - In 2021, Greenland had a population of 56,421. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-191 - That year, 18,800 people resided in the capital city https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuuk - Nuuk . Nearly all Greenlanders live along the fjords in the south-west of the main island, which has a relatively mild climate, especially considering the high latitude upon which it lies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-192 - Whereas the majority of the population lives north of 64°N in colder coastal climates, Greenland's warmest climates such as the vegetated area around https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narsarsuaq - Narsarsuaq are sparsely populated.
DJ, Greenland-in a military sense-is undefendable...both for Greenland "defense" or Danish defense...Since the US is "in control" over NATO, NATO may be more a risk then a protector of Greenland.
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 3:00am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#Treaty_of_Kiel_to_World_War_II_%281814%E2%80%931945%29 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#Treaty_of_Kiel_to_World_War_II_(1814%E2%80%931945) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#Treaty_of_Kiel_to_World_War_II_(1814%E2%80%931945) Greenland's connection to Denmark was severed on 9 April 1940, early in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland_during_World_War_II - World War II , after Denmark was occupied by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany - Nazi Germany . On 8 April 1941, the United States occupied Greenland to defend it against a possible invasion by Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-66 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluie - Bluie as a code name for Greenland, where they kept several bases named "Bluie (East or West) (sequential numeral)". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-sem-67 - During this war, the system of government changed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governors_of_Greenland - Governor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eske_Brun - Eske Brun ruled the island under a law of 1925 that allowed governors to take control under extreme circumstances; Governor Aksel Svane was transferred to the United States to lead the commission to supply Greenland. The Danish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sl%C3%A6depatruljen_Sirius - Sirius Patrol guarded the northeastern shores of Greenland in 1942 using dog sleds. They detected several German https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_station - weather stations and alerted American troops, who destroyed the facilities. After the collapse of the Third Reich, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer - Albert Speer briefly considered escaping in a small aeroplane to hide out in Greenland, but changed his mind and decided to surrender to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces - United States Armed Forces . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-68 - In 1867, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States - United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_State - Secretary of State https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Seward - William H. Seward worked with former senator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Walker - Robert J. Walker to explore the possibility of buying Greenland and, perhaps, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland - Iceland . Opposition in Congress ended this project. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-69 - Following World War II, the United States developed a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geopolitics - geopolitical interest in Greenland and in 1946 offered to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_United_States_purchase_of_Greenland - buy the island from Denmark for $100,000,000; the Danish rejected the offer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-70 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-71 - In 1951 Denmark and the United States signed the Greenland Defense Agreement, which allowed the United States to keep its military bases in Greenland, and to establish new bases or "defense areas" if deemed necessary by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO - NATO . The U.S. military could freely use and move between these defense areas, but was not to infringe upon Danish sovereignty in Greenland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-72 - The United States greatly expanded https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Air_Base - Thule Air Base between 1951 and 1953 as part of a unified NATO defence strategy. The local population of three nearby villages was moved more than 100 km (62 miles) away in the winter. The United States tried to construct a subterranean network of secret https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_launch_facility - nuclear missile launch sites in the Greenlandic ice cap, named https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm - Project Iceworm . According to documents declassified in 1996, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-73 - this project was managed from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Century - Camp Century from 1960 to 1966 before abandonment as unworkable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-74 - The missiles were never fielded, and necessary consent from the Danish Government to do so was never sought. The Danish government did not become aware of the programme's mission until 1997, when they discovered it while looking, in the declassified documents, for records related to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash - crash of a nuclear-equipped B-52 bomber near the Thule air base in 1968. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-h-bomb-75 -
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 3:12am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland; Since the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_century - 19th century , the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States - United States has considered, and made, several attempts to purchase the island of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland - Greenland from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Realm - Denmark , as it did with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_West_Indies - Danish West Indies in 1917. Internal discussions within the United States government about acquiring Greenland notably occurred in 1867, 1910, 1946, and 2019, and acquisition has been advocated by former American secretaries of state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Seward - William H. Seward and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_F._Byrnes - James F. Byrnes , privately by former vice president https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller - Nelson Rockefeller , and publicly by President https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump - Donald Trump , among others. After World War II, the United States secretly offered to buy Greenland; public discussion of buying the island occurred after Trump's 2024 reelection. - While Greenland is an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_administrative_division - autonomous territory within the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Realm - Kingdom of Denmark , Greenlandic and Danish authorities have publicly asserted Greenland's right to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination - self-determination and stated that Greenland is "not for sale". Many Greenlanders support https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_independence - independence , and many Danes see the historical ties with Greenland as an integral part of Danish national identity. The United States has long viewed Greenland as vital to national security. In the early 20th century, it included Greenland among several European possessions in the Western Hemisphere to preemptively seize and fortify in the event of a threatened attack on the US. During World War II, the US invoked its https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine - Monroe Doctrine and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II - occupied Greenland to prevent use by Germany following the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_invasion_of_Denmark_%281940%29 - German occupation of Denmark . The US military remained in Greenland after the war and, by 1948, Denmark abandoned attempts to persuade the U.S. to remove them. The following year, both countries became members of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO - NATO military alliance. A 1951 treaty gave the US a significant role in Greenland's defense. Today it has one military base there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituffik_Space_Base - Pituffik Space Base . DJ, Buying and stealing in geo-politics may be the same thing...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland#Defense_of_the_mainland_United_States - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland#Defense_of_the_mainland_United_States or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland#Defense_of_the_mainland_United_States An acquisition of Greenland would give the United States control of an island that it sees as crucial to its defense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland#cite_note-jones2016-28 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland#cite_note-lippman20190824-20 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuters - Reuters described Greenland in October 2020 as "a security black hole" for the United States and allies, and said its 27,000 miles (44,000 km) of coastline was difficult to monitor. "On several occasions since 2006, foreign vessels have turned up unexpectedly or without the necessary protocols, in waters that NATO-member Denmark aims to defend", the news agency reported. Detection of foreign vessels, including a Russian submarine, has often been by chance. A potential security threat are Russian ships believed to have the ability to tap undersea cables or sever them during a conflict. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland#cite_note-jgp20201019-10 - A 2021 study by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAND_Corporation - RAND Corporation expressed concern that Greenland "could be seduced into Russia's or China's orbit" were it to attain independence from Denmark
DJ, Under NATO, Danish-US agreements-or ignoring any rules-the US can expand its presence in Greenland. Again-one of the weak spots for Greenland is its very small (<60,000) population on a very large landmass...
The US could create several bases on Greenland-without informing Denmark-call it "a drill"...A US carrier group for the coast of Nuuk, US navy at several coastal areas, US air force taking over the sky..."Unfriendly" Denmark will protest...but is unable to fight it...May even have to defend it if Russia would react...
If the US would send in tens-of-thousends US military, miners, citizens-using US$, start building real estate by US companies for a US (oriented) population influx...it would be an "unfriendly takeover" like some companies are taken over in an unfriendly way...but may be unable to stop it...
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 3:39am
DJ, How can Greenland protect itself against an "unfriendly US take over" ?
My view; Work with Denmark, Iceland, Canada, Norway, Sweden..
One of the goals has to be diversification of the Greenland economy. Part of that has to be food production. Climate collapse allows "a bit more" production...so less food has to be imported.
Growing agri-culture-partly in glass houses-may also allow the Greenland population to grow...
On the longer term maybe up to 500,000-1 million people may be "Greenlanders"? However Inuit-"first nation" cultures have to be protected...It should not become a "cold-Australia" with Inuit (Eskimos) as a second class population...
Part of the population may come from Siberia...part of temporary population may be miners working for multi-national companies that identify as "multi national" more then US, Canada, China, Russia or India based companies...
The areas where people can live is limited...coastal...and living in Greenland will remain "hard".
DJ-I did read stories of Arab countries buying-transporting ice-bergs for their watersupply...(however transporting an iceberg to the Arab world-accepting only 10% of the ice-berg will reach its destination-in my eyes us not that realistic...).
Tourism may grow...part of it on cruiseships-since the road system over longer distances (for now) is impossible on Greenland. (And one may not welcome lots of air traffic...).
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2025 at 12:26am
https://www.biryuklaw.com/hostile-takeover-defenses/ - https://www.biryuklaw.com/hostile-takeover-defenses/ or https://www.biryuklaw.com/hostile-takeover-defenses/ DJ-What can Greenland and Danmark learn from companies protecting themselves against "unfriendly takeovers" (DJ-A big company wants to buy a small company that is supposed to be not for sale...the bigger company manages to get a grip on finances, goods, the smaller company needs).
1. Go for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_venture - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_venture or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_venture ...If a non-Greenland company wants to "invest" in Greenland 51-80% odf the shares for the Greenland-activity remain in Greenland hands...So Greenlanders can decide where profits go...a part may go to a foreign investor...part may go to the Greenland joint venture company, part goes to Greenland community...
2. Diversify as much as possible the investors...If you are not strong you have to be clever...The US military refused to leave Greenland in 1945-Denmark could do nothing...
If a joint venture does not follow agreements it may be time to switch partner...If a US company "gives a big mouth" replace that US company with a Norwegian, Japanese, German one...So one company may fight another company-saving Greenland that fight...
3. Greenland has to make plans on its future, create an enviroment for investments they want...Not wait for investors to come up with ideas...Do you want hotels or cruise ships or both ? And where ? The Greenland ice-cap crowded like the Mount Everest ?
4. Limit plans in time...mass tourism can bring in a lot of money...but also a lot of chaos/disease/drugs/crime...So-say after 5/10 years a new decission may be needed...
5. Buy know-how, from legal matters to mining...Even Denmark may not have all the needed know how...
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2025 at 1:29pm
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Five current & former senior European officials briefed on call said conversation had gone very badly.
“It was horrendous,” said one of the people. Another added: “He was very firm. It was a cold shower. Before, it was hard to take it seriously. But I do think it is serious, & potentially very dangerous.”
Source: FT
DJ, trump may be blowing up NATO...
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2025 at 11:51pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II ;
The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_invasion_of_Denmark_%281940%29 - fall of Denmark in April 1940 left the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark - Danish colony of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland - Greenland an unoccupied territory of an occupied nation, under the possibility of seizure by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom - United Kingdom , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States - United States or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada - Canada . To forestall this, the United States acted to guarantee Greenland's position. With the entrance of the United States into the war in December 1941, Greenland became a combatant. From 1941 until 1945, the United States established numerous and extensive facilities for air and sea traffic in Greenland, as well as radio beacons, radio stations, weather stations, ports, depots, artillery posts, and search-and-rescue stations. The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Coast_Guard - United States Coast Guard also provided a considerable portion of civilian resupply along both coasts. Economically, Greenland traded successfully with the United States, Canada and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estado_Novo_%28Portugal%29 - Portugal , which, supplemented by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryolite - cryolite exports, caused a reanimation and permanent realignment of the island's economy. - Before the war, Greenland was a tightly controlled colony of Denmark, otherwise closed off to the rest of the world. After the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Weser%C3%BCbung - invasion of Denmark on 9 April 1940, Greenland was left on its own, because the United Kingdom's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy - Royal Navy seized any ships arriving from Axis-controlled Europe. The UK and Canada initially laid plans to occupy points of interest on the island, but the United States, still neutral, firmly rejected "third party" intervention there. The sheriffs ("landsfogeder") of South and North Greenland, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eske_Brun - Eske Brun and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aksel_Svane&action=edit&redlink=1 - Aksel Svane , invoking the emergency clause of a 1925 law specifying how Greenland was ruled, declared Greenland a self-ruling territory, believing this to be in the best interests of the colony as Denmark was occupied by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany - Nazi Germany . This step was taken in coordination with the Danish ambassador to the United States, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrik_Kauffmann - Henrik Kauffmann , and the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_State - U.S. State Department , and comported with the American declaration of 1920 that no third nation would necessarily be accepted as a sovereign in Greenland. This diplomatic stance was seen as an extension of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine - Monroe Doctrine . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II#cite_note-Walling6-1 - Although the Danish government continued in power and still considered itself neutral, it was forced to obey German wishes in foreign policy matters. Kauffmann immediately recognized that his government was unable to exercise its full sovereignty, and therefore began to act in an independent capacity. On 13 April he took counsel with the Greenland sheriffs, and after some controversy they agreed to recognize him as their representative in the United States. Since the United States would not offer diplomatic recognition and aid to Greenland unless the local administration was independent, the sheriffs informed the local advisory parliament ("Landsraad") on 3 May that "there was no choice" but to act as a sovereign nation. The Danish Government continued to send orders to the colony via radio and through Portugal, but these messages were ignored. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II#cite_note-Howarth8-2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II#cite_note-Walling6-1 - The Greenlanders were also aware of the heavy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Norway - Norwegian presence in Canada. In the event that Canada attempted to occupy the colony, they were worried that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Norwegian_Forces - Free Norwegian Forces would be stationed in the area.
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm ;
Project Iceworm was a top secret https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army - United States Army program of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War - Cold War , which aimed to build a network of mobile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon - nuclear missile launch sites under the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_ice_sheet - Greenland ice sheet . The goal was to install a vast network of nuclear missile launch sites that could survive a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-emptive_nuclear_strike - first strike . This was according to documents declassified in 1996. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm#cite_note-1 - To study the feasibility of working under the ice, a highly publicized "cover" project, known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Century - Camp Century , was launched in 1959. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm#cite_note-2 - Details of the missile base project were secret for decades, but first came to light in January 1995 during an enquiry by the Danish Foreign Policy Institute (DUPI) into the history of the use and storage of nuclear weapons in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland - Greenland . The enquiry was ordered by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folketing - Parliament of Denmark following the release of previously classified information about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash - 1968 Thule Air Base B-52 crash that contradicted previous assertions by the Government of Denmark. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm#cite_note-DUPI-3 - On 5 May 1945, Greenlanders celebrated the liberation of Denmark in Nuuk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II#cite_note-19 - The Greenland Administration under Eske Brun surrendered its emergency powers and again came under direct control from Copenhagen. Kauffmann returned to Copenhagen, where treason charges against him were dropped, and the Danish parliament ratified his agreement with the United States. The United States presence continued in decreasing numbers until the Kauffmann-Hull agreement was replaced by a new base treaty in 1951
see also https://archive.org/details/polarimperativeh0000gran - https://archive.org/details/polarimperativeh0000gran or https://archive.org/details/polarimperativeh0000gran /
- Grant, Shelagh D. (29 July 2010). https://archive.org/details/polarimperativeh0000gran - Polar Imperative: A History of Arctic Sovereignty in North America . Douglas & McIntyre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISBN_%28identifier%29 - ISBN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9781553654186 - 9781553654186 .
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2025 at 5:36am
Why is Greenland "Danish" -a bit to much US friendly story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGr0kw4JgU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGr0kw4JgU or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGr0kw4JgU ;Why Is Greenland Part Of Denmark? A few comments; https://www.youtube.com/@kjensen7819 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGr0kw4JgU&lc=UgyBEGniEurvsQBqcEZ4AaABAg - 1 day ago As a Dane I 100% think that the native people living in Greenland should decide if they want to stay with Denmark or become independant - or even a state in US if that is what they want . But just for info; Denmark has been in total paying the equivalent of approx 15.000 USD per every citizen in Greenland every year for many years, to help with education and health system and many other social issues there. This has however also not helped the natives to form their own sustainable society, so many native blames Denmark for helping and interfering. Denmark for sure have not always behaved correctly looking with today glasses, during history when it comes to the natives, but we have always supported and tried carefully, especially the last 2-3 decades to protect the old culture of the natives in Greenland. I hope the natives at least can admit that Denmark never plundered Greenland like many others when they had colonised countries. We never tried to just take any natural resources for our own benefit. I am sure in a deal with the US, there will be a hunt for natural resources, and if that is what the natives want, then this is their decision 100%. I wish everyone in Greenland and bright future. - https://www.youtube.com/@potatogun4238 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGr0kw4JgU&lc=UgzcMmXiuNHpm7DUU5t4AaABAg - 5 days ago Canada and Denmark did have the best war over a small island between Greenland and Canada's artic. They both laid clam to the island and how they waged war was the most epic way possible. Once a year they would send a navy ship to the island and change each others flag so they would fly there flag for 6 months each. Then leave a case of there favorite national high proof alcohol so it would freeze for the other country when the came to change there flag. They have been feuding and fighting like this since 1973. If you don't count hangovers there injuries in the Whisky War. Russia invasion of Ukraine meant that any land disputes with NATO countries meant they had to straighten up and act wright. So the drew a line down the middle of Hans island in 2022 and ended the Whisky War. DJ, Greenland is from the Greenland population...The US was NOT invited to move in in 1941 !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mB68eP2Zuo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mB68eP2Zuo or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mB68eP2Zuo WION; Donald Trump's Bid To 'Annex' Greenland | World News | WIONDJ, trump comes up with sanctions if Denmark does not give up Greenland...The present US = 40% bought, from Russia (Alaska), Mexico, France, Spain, DenmarK (Virgin Isles)...
US bases in Greenland...(in progres-will be another post). https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Former-US-air-bases-in-Greenland-during-WWII-the-air-base-of-our-interest-is-circled_fig1_373652483 - https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Former-US-air-bases-in-Greenland-during-WWII-the-air-base-of-our-interest-is-circled_fig1_373652483 or https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Former-US-air-bases-in-Greenland-during-WWII-the-air-base-of-our-interest-is-circled_fig1_373652483 (indication)
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2025 at 10:14am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMDDLGkP1I0 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMDDLGkP1I0 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMDDLGkP1I0 ;Trump's Greenland 'Grab' - A British Problem
President Trump's announcement that Denmark must transfer sovereignty over Greenland to the US has caused a transatlantic diplomat spat which has just become more complicated when Denmark revealed a 1917 agreement made with Britain concerning Greenland's future. Find out the story behind American attempts to obtain Greenland, and how British involvement may complicate President Trump's new plan.
DJ, If Denmark would sell Greenland it would first have to offer it to the UK...The 1867 US idea was to "encircle Canada-with buying both Alaska and Greenland...the Greenland-part failed...
DJ-Since Norway and Denmark for a long time were one country also Norway made claims on Greenland-Svalbard/Spitsbergen is under Norwegian control...
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2025 at 11:37pm
https://english.news.cn/europe/20250128/00183759eecb40e48cc9d574e5d62f85/c.html - https://english.news.cn/europe/20250128/00183759eecb40e48cc9d574e5d62f85/c.html or https://english.news.cn/europe/20250128/00183759eecb40e48cc9d574e5d62f85/c.html ; HELSINKI, Jan. 27 (Xinhua) -- Denmark has unveiled plans to bolster its military presence in the Arctic amid rising concerns over the U.S. interest in acquiring Greenland, a Danish-owned territory. Danish Defence Minister Troels Lund Poulsen announced late Monday that the government will allocate 14.6 billion Danish krona (approximately 2 billion U.S. dollars) to boost the defence of Greenland, Arctic Sea and Northern Atlantic. The decision follows an agreement among Danish political parties. The plans will include three new arctic naval vessels and two long-range drones, increased surveillance and crisis training for the local residents. Poulsen said in a press conference that these preparations are just the initial phase, with further plans expected to be finalized by summer. According to Danish Broadcasting Corporation, the new vessels would enter service within five or six years, expected to replace existing vessels. When questioned about whether these measures would "calm down" U.S. President Donald Trump's interest in Greenland, Poulsen refrained from a direct response, underlining the importance of co-operation with NATO allies, including Canada, the United States and Norway. President Trump has recently reiterated the U.S. interest in Greenland, which remains an autonomous area under Danish sovereignty. Referring to an upcoming meeting on Tuesday with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, French President Emmanuel Macron and NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said Europe is in a serious situation. "With war on the continent and changes in the geopolitical reality. In such a time, unity is crucial."
DJ, "western media/propaganda" (cnn, bbc, reuters, dw etc) also "mentioned" this news...A lot of Danish news behind paywall...Xinhua is Chines...at a certain distance...
The 2 billion extra Danish defense spending has to be a part of a wider program. -Less spending on US weapons if trump becomes a risk would be "more then wise"...Sweden has a major defense industry... -Finding allies may strengthen the Danish/Greenland position...Canada HAS to be a major ally. Norway-in Svalbard (Spitsbergen Dutch and Russian name a.o.) also can be of use... -Speeding up talks on Greenland independence/protection also is welcome... -Closing US bases in Greenland should be an option if trump does increase pressure... (DJ-Closing US occupation may mean cutting supply lines...The US "stayed" after World War Two..NEVER was invited by a Danish government !
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2025 at 3:33am
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-militarily-dominating-arctic-working-china-us-slips-behind-study - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-militarily-dominating-arctic-working-china-us-slips-behind-study or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-militarily-dominating-arctic-working-china-us-slips-behind-study ;
NATO actually currently has five more military sites in total than Russia, but the Russian military's bases are far larger. The https://www.thesimonsfoundation.ca/sites/default/files/MilitaryFootprintsintheArctic_Final%2C%20March%202024.pdf - Simons Foundation Canada has documented in a fresh study that Russia has 32 "continuously attended military sites" in the Arctic region as of 2024. Notably the outposts located Franz Josef Land, Kotelny Island, and Wrangel Island are able to house up to 150 ground troops each. One of NATO's founding members, Norway, maintains 15 "continuously attended military sites". And per The Simons Foundation report, other NATO members have https://www.newsweek.com/nato-russias-military-bases-arctic-map-2022961 - as follows : - United States: 10 Arctic sites
- Canada: 8 Arctic sites
- Denmark: 3 Arctic sites, which are in Greenland
- Iceland: 1 Arctic site
Still, Russia's military has warned that "the Arctic is a region for potential future conflict" amid the global build-up there, according to Russia’s Commander of the Northern Fleet, Aleksandr Moiseyev. - As for China-Russian cooperation in the far north, the fresh WSJ report observes in the https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/russia-china-artic-sea-nato-2ca1ea10 - following : That support has been prominent in the Arctic, where Chinese companies are significant investors and equipment suppliers in Russian energy projects including the Yamal LNG and Arctic 2 LNG projects. Russia, in return, has been shipping fuel to China using its so-called shadow fleet, by which sanctioned vessels make illicit deliveries of Russian oil to markets in Asia. Last year saw a record volume for transit cargo through the Northern Sea Route from northwestern Russia to the Bering Strait, according to Rosatom, the Russian agency that oversees the waterway. Almost all of that cargo went from Russia to China, and more than half was crude oil. The total volume remains a fraction of crude-oil traffic through the Suez Canal: While the northern route’s shorter distance can cut transit times by two weeks, sea ice remains a treacherous obstacle despite shrinking ice cover.
DJ, Russia also has stronger ice-breakers. Control from Murmansk to Magadan gives Russia a better control-more room to move...The NW passage between Greenland and Canada has more ice most of the time...
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2025 at 11:06pm
DJ, A basic problem for Greenland is its very small population... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# ...population under 60,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland has a population under 400,000...In the past the US also "showed interest" in taking over Iceland...(partly on European, partly on American continental shell).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Islands - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Islands or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Islands also has a small population-around 55,000 people...
All three share Danish colonization history-with Greenland also an Inuit majority...
So could "GIF" Greenland-Iceland-Faroe federation work ? - DJ-The "GIF-model" would protect local cultures and intersts...What could "joining the US" bring ?
If Greenland, Iceland would make a choice to "join the US" it could result in population growth...It could become a "North Atlantic Alaska" .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska ;population just over 740, 000...over twice the GIF-population...
People could move to Greenland, Iceland for retirement, tourism...Iceland could use heat from its volcanos for glass houses to increase local foodproduction...
Food prices in GIF are very high-with very low local production capacity other then fish, sheep...Iceland has an IKEA...but most of the GIF-countries simply have a much too small market for larger scale foodproduction, low-cost supermarkets...
However GIF joining the US would END local culture...Hawaii may indicate how the US did end the local culture there...Joining the US would mean more then introduction of the US$...It would make English(American) the main language...very likely bring a "wild west culture" since both mining, fishing and agriculture in general is not the "best kind of work" ...(hard working-long hours-low pay, high risk...)
So could "GIF" Greenland-Iceland-Faroe profit from joining the US ? Very likely the US would profit much more... - Greenland-Canada cooperation ? Most of Canadians live in a 100 miles/160 kilometer zone from the US border...I did see a question on Canada joining the EU...part of the EU idea was countries close to eachother going for better cooperation (in part to support peace).
The UK is out of the EU...maybe Canada may work with the UK-has more links with that ? If the UK would rejoin the EU however...interesting...
For now Canada in the present EU may increase tensions between the French speaking and English speaking groups...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#Languages - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#Languages or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#Languages ; A multitude of languages are used by Canadians, with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_English - English and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_French - French (the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_language - official languages ) being the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_language - mother tongues of approximately 54 percent and 19 percent of Canadians, respectively. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-:0-292 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_bilingualism_in_Canada - Canada's official bilingualism policies give citizens the right to receive federal government services in either English or French with official- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_language - language minorities guaranteed their own schools in all provinces and territories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-311 - Canada has one of the highest per-capita immigration rates in the world, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-282 - driven mainly by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_immigration_to_Canada - economic policy and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_categories_%28Canada%29 - family reunification . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-283 - A record 405,000 immigrants were admitted in 2021. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-284 - Canada leads the world in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_country_resettlement - refugee resettlement ; it resettled more than 47,600 in 2022. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-g225-285 - New immigrants settle mostly in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_population_centres_in_Canada - major urban areas , such as Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-286 -
If you want "open borders" there are other ways to create that-you do not need to see Canada joining the US...
Still if you believe "Gulf of America" is improvement some people may think Canada joining the US is a step forward...It may see more chances for US democratic party though...
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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2025 at 1:27pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election
DJ, Wikipage may be updated...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen ; Jens Frederik Nielsen (born 22 June 1991) is a Greenlandic politician and badminton player. He is the current leader of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demokraatit - Demokraatit party, and formerly served as the Minister of Labour and Mineral Resources during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielsen_VII_Cabinet - Kielsen VII Cabinet . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen#cite_note-1 - Political career[ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jens_Frederik_Nielsen&action=edit§ion=1 - edit ] During the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election - 2025 Greenlandic general election , Nielsen received 3,939 personal votes. Nielsen received more votes than incumbent Prime Minister https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BAte_Bourup_Egede - Múte Bourup Egede , who received 2,679. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen#cite_note-2 - Political views[ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jens_Frederik_Nielsen&action=edit§ion=2 - edit ]Nielsen is opposed to the proposed sale of Greenland to the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen#cite_note-lauritzen-3 - The Democrats ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_language - Greenlandic : Demokraatit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Greenlandic - [temokʁaːt͡sit] ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_language - Danish : Demokraterne, D) is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism - social liberal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Greenland - political party in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland - Greenland . The party used to be sceptical of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_independence - Greenlandic independence and even further https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution - self-governance . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_%28Greenland%29#cite_note-8 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_%28Greenland%29#cite_note-9 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_%28Greenland%29#cite_note-Handbook-2 - In terms of country of birth, the population is estimated to be of 89.7% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlanders - Greenlandic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-ethnic - multiethnic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Europe - European - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit - Inuit origin, 7.8% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_people_in_Greenland - Danish , 1.1% other https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_countries - Nordic and 1.4% other. The multi-ethnic population of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Europe - European - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit - Inuit represent people of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_people_in_Greenland - Danish , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_people - Norwegian and to a lesser degree of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroese_people - Faroese , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_people - Icelandic , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_people - Dutch ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_the_Netherlands#17th_century - whalers ), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_people - German https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-cia.gov-7 - A 2015 wide genetic study of Greenlanders found modern-day Inuit in Greenland are direct descendants of the first Inuit pioneers of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_people - Thule culture who arrived in the 13th century, with approximately 25% admixture of the European colonisers from the 16th century. Despite previous speculations, no evidence of Viking settlers predecessors has been found. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-201 - 155,792 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-canada2021-1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-geinu-2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-dkinu-3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-usinu-4 - Canada | 70,540 (2021) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-canada2021-1 - Greenland51,479 (2023) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-geinu-2 - United States16,581 (2010) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-dkinu-3 - Denmark17,067 (2023) | | | |
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| DJ, From that perspective Inuit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#Governance - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#Governance or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#Governance ; The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_Circumpolar_Council - Inuit Circumpolar Council is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations - United Nations -recognized https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-governmental_organization - non-governmental organization (NGO), which defines its constituency as Canada's Inuit and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuvialuit - Inuvialuit , Greenland's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalaallit_Inuit - Kalaallit Inuit , Alaska's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inupiat - Inupiat and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yupik - Yup'ik , and Russia's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Yupik - Siberian Yupik , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-ICCcharter-182 - despite the last two neither speaking an Inuit dialect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-kaplanold-71 - or considering themselves "Inuit". Nonetheless, it has come together with other circumpolar cultural and political groups to promote Inuit and other northern people in their fight against https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecology - ecological problems such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change - climate change which disproportionately affects Inuit population. DJ, Including lands/population of other Inuit groups may put Greenland in a better position.
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