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Topic: Greenland
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Subject: Greenland
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 2:47am
DJ, Again trump showed interest in Greenland. Not for climate reasons but for its resources, minerals, strategic route and Arctic position...

For the "trump-gang" Greenlanders may be only in the way for US (company) interests...
YES Greenland has a lot of minerals, economic potential...Also lots of (melting) ice, a small population and a major US military base...

Russia, China also "showed interest"-Denmark did allow Greenland the right to make a lot of its choices themselves-like many other western countries defense/foreign policy only decided by the "colonizer"....

Greenland may "go for independence" -however such status only can be archived if it can find a balance between all major players in a global/Arctic time of confrontation...



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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 2:54am
A basic picture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# ;

Greenland ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_language - Greenlandic : Kalaallit Nunaatpronounced  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Greenlandic - [kalaːɬːitGrønland, pronounced  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Danish - [ˈkʁɶnˌlænˀ] ) is an  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_administrative_division - autonomous territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-17 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-18 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-worldfactbook-19 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-worldfactbook-19 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-21 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-22 - Though a part of the continent of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America - North America , Greenland has been politically and culturally associated with  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe - Europe  (specifically  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway - Norway  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark - Denmark , the colonial powers) for more than a millennium, beginning in 986. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-Brown2000-23 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-natmus-24 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-25 - In 2021, Greenland had a population of 56,421. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-191 -  That year, 18,800 people resided in the capital city  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuuk - Nuuk . Nearly all Greenlanders live along the fjords in the south-west of the main island, which has a relatively mild climate, especially considering the high latitude upon which it lies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-192 -  Whereas the majority of the population lives north of 64°N in colder coastal climates, Greenland's warmest climates such as the vegetated area around  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narsarsuaq - Narsarsuaq  are sparsely populated.


DJ, Greenland-in a military sense-is undefendable...both for Greenland "defense" or Danish defense...Since the US is "in control" over NATO, NATO may be more a risk then a protector of Greenland.


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 3:00am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#Treaty_of_Kiel_to_World_War_II_%281814%E2%80%931945%29 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#Treaty_of_Kiel_to_World_War_II_(1814%E2%80%931945) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#Treaty_of_Kiel_to_World_War_II_(1814%E2%80%931945) 

Greenland's connection to Denmark was severed on 9 April 1940, early in  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland_during_World_War_II - World War II , after Denmark was occupied by  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany - Nazi Germany . On 8 April 1941, the United States occupied Greenland to defend it against a possible invasion by Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-66 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluie - Bluie  as a code name for Greenland, where they kept several bases named "Bluie (East or West) (sequential numeral)". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-sem-67 - During this war, the system of government changed:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governors_of_Greenland - Governor   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eske_Brun - Eske Brun  ruled the island under a law of 1925 that allowed governors to take control under extreme circumstances; Governor Aksel Svane was transferred to the United States to lead the commission to supply Greenland. The Danish  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sl%C3%A6depatruljen_Sirius - Sirius Patrol  guarded the northeastern shores of Greenland in 1942 using dog sleds. They detected several German  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_station - weather stations  and alerted American troops, who destroyed the facilities. After the collapse of the Third Reich,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer - Albert Speer  briefly considered escaping in a small aeroplane to hide out in Greenland, but changed his mind and decided to surrender to the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces - United States Armed Forces . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-68 - In 1867,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States - United States   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_State - Secretary of State   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Seward - William H. Seward  worked with former senator  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Walker - Robert J. Walker  to explore the possibility of buying Greenland and, perhaps,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland - Iceland . Opposition in Congress ended this project. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-69 -  Following World War II, the United States developed a  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geopolitics - geopolitical  interest in Greenland and in 1946 offered to  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_United_States_purchase_of_Greenland - buy the island from Denmark  for $100,000,000; the Danish rejected the offer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-70 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-71 - In 1951 Denmark and the United States signed the Greenland Defense Agreement, which allowed the United States to keep its military bases in Greenland, and to establish new bases or "defense areas" if deemed necessary by  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO - NATO . The U.S. military could freely use and move between these defense areas, but was not to infringe upon Danish sovereignty in Greenland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-72 -  The United States greatly expanded  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Air_Base - Thule Air Base  between 1951 and 1953 as part of a unified NATO defence strategy. The local population of three nearby villages was moved more than 100 km (62 miles) away in the winter. The United States tried to construct a subterranean network of secret  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_launch_facility - nuclear missile launch sites  in the Greenlandic ice cap, named  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm - Project Iceworm . According to documents declassified in 1996, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-73 -  this project was managed from  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Century - Camp Century  from 1960 to 1966 before abandonment as unworkable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-74 -  The missiles were never fielded, and necessary consent from the Danish Government to do so was never sought. The Danish government did not become aware of the programme's mission until 1997, when they discovered it while looking, in the declassified documents, for records related to the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash - crash of a nuclear-equipped B-52 bomber  near the Thule air base in 1968. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-h-bomb-75 -



Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 3:12am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland;
Since the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_century - 19th century , the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States - United States  has considered, and made, several attempts to purchase the island of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland - Greenland  from  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Realm - Denmark , as it did with the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_West_Indies - Danish West Indies  in 1917. Internal discussions within the United States government about acquiring Greenland notably occurred in 1867, 1910, 1946, and 2019, and acquisition has been advocated by former American secretaries of state  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Seward - William H. Seward  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_F._Byrnes - James F. Byrnes , privately by former vice president  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller - Nelson Rockefeller , and publicly by President  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump - Donald Trump , among others. After World War II, the United States secretly offered to buy Greenland; public discussion of buying the island occurred after Trump's 2024 reelection.

While Greenland is an  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_administrative_division - autonomous territory  within the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Realm - Kingdom of Denmark , Greenlandic and Danish authorities have publicly asserted Greenland's right to  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination - self-determination  and stated that Greenland is "not for sale". Many Greenlanders support  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_independence - independence , and many Danes see the historical ties with Greenland as an integral part of Danish national identity.

The United States has long viewed Greenland as vital to national security. In the early 20th century, it included Greenland among several European possessions in the Western Hemisphere to preemptively seize and fortify in the event of a threatened attack on the US. During World War II, the US invoked its  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine - Monroe Doctrine  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II - occupied Greenland  to prevent use by Germany following the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_invasion_of_Denmark_%281940%29 - German occupation of Denmark . The US military remained in Greenland after the war and, by 1948, Denmark abandoned attempts to persuade the U.S. to remove them. The following year, both countries became members of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO - NATO  military alliance. A 1951 treaty gave the US a significant role in Greenland's defense. Today it has one military base there:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituffik_Space_Base - Pituffik Space Base .

DJ, Buying and stealing in geo-politics may be the same thing...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland#Defense_of_the_mainland_United_States - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland#Defense_of_the_mainland_United_States or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland#Defense_of_the_mainland_United_States 
An acquisition of Greenland would give the United States control of an island that it sees as crucial to its defense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland#cite_note-jones2016-28 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland#cite_note-lippman20190824-20 -   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuters - Reuters  described Greenland in October 2020 as "a security black hole" for the United States and allies, and said its 27,000 miles (44,000 km) of coastline was difficult to monitor. "On several occasions since 2006, foreign vessels have turned up unexpectedly or without the necessary protocols, in waters that NATO-member Denmark aims to defend", the news agency reported. Detection of foreign vessels, including a Russian submarine, has often been by chance. A potential security threat are Russian ships believed to have the ability to tap undersea cables or sever them during a conflict. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland#cite_note-jgp20201019-10 -  A 2021 study by the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAND_Corporation - RAND Corporation  expressed concern that Greenland "could be seduced into Russia's or China's orbit" were it to attain independence from Denmark

DJ, Under NATO, Danish-US agreements-or ignoring any rules-the US can expand its presence in Greenland. Again-one of the weak spots for Greenland is its very small (<60,000) population on a very large landmass...

The US could create several bases on Greenland-without informing Denmark-call it "a drill"...A US carrier group for the coast of Nuuk, US navy at several coastal areas, US air force taking over the sky..."Unfriendly" Denmark will protest...but is unable to fight it...May even have to defend it if Russia would react...

If the US would send in tens-of-thousends US military, miners, citizens-using US$, start building real estate by US companies for a US (oriented) population influx...it would be an "unfriendly takeover" like some companies are taken over in an unfriendly way...but may be unable to stop it...


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 3:39am
DJ, How can Greenland protect itself against an "unfriendly US take over" ? 

My view; Work with Denmark, Iceland, Canada, Norway, Sweden..

One of the goals has to be diversification of the Greenland economy. Part of that has to be food production. Climate collapse allows "a bit more" production...so less food has to be imported. 

Growing agri-culture-partly in glass houses-may also allow the Greenland population to grow...

On the longer term maybe up to 500,000-1 million people may be "Greenlanders"? However Inuit-"first nation" cultures have to be protected...It should not become a "cold-Australia" with Inuit (Eskimos) as a second class population...

Part of the population may come from Siberia...part of temporary population may be miners working for multi-national companies that identify as "multi national" more then US, Canada, China, Russia or India based companies...

The areas where people can live is limited...coastal...and living in Greenland will remain "hard". 

DJ-I did read stories of Arab countries buying-transporting ice-bergs for their watersupply...(however transporting an iceberg to the Arab world-accepting only 10% of the ice-berg will reach its destination-in my eyes us not that realistic...). 

Tourism may grow...part of it on cruiseships-since the road system over longer distances (for now)  is impossible on Greenland. (And one may not welcome lots of air traffic...). 


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2025 at 12:26am
https://www.biryuklaw.com/hostile-takeover-defenses/ - https://www.biryuklaw.com/hostile-takeover-defenses/ or https://www.biryuklaw.com/hostile-takeover-defenses/ DJ-What can Greenland and Danmark learn from companies protecting themselves against "unfriendly takeovers" (DJ-A big company wants to buy a small company that is supposed to be not for sale...the bigger company manages to get a grip on finances, goods, the smaller company needs). 

1. Go for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_venture - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_venture or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_venture ...If a non-Greenland company wants to "invest" in Greenland 51-80% odf the shares for the Greenland-activity remain in Greenland hands...So Greenlanders can decide where profits go...a part may go to a foreign investor...part may go to the Greenland joint venture company, part goes to Greenland community...

2. Diversify as much as possible the investors...If you are not strong you have to be clever...The US military refused to leave Greenland in 1945-Denmark could do nothing...

If a joint venture does not follow agreements it may be time to switch partner...If a US company "gives a big mouth" replace that US company with a Norwegian, Japanese, German one...So one company may fight another company-saving Greenland that fight...

3. Greenland has to make plans on its future, create an enviroment for investments they want...Not wait for investors to come up with ideas...Do you want hotels or cruise ships or both ? And where ? The Greenland ice-cap crowded like the Mount Everest ? 

4. Limit plans in time...mass tourism can bring in a lot of money...but also a lot of chaos/disease/drugs/crime...So-say after 5/10 years a new decission may be needed...

5. Buy know-how, from legal matters to mining...Even Denmark may not have all the needed know how...




Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2025 at 1:29pm
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Donald Trump insisted he was serious in his determination to take over Greenland in fiery telephone call with Denmark’s prime minister, according to senior European officials. Five current & former senior European officials briefed on call said conversation had gone very badly. “It was horrendous,” said one of the people. Another added: “He was very firm. It was a cold shower. Before, it was hard to take it seriously. But I do think it is serious, & potentially very dangerous.” Source: FT

DJ, trump may be blowing up NATO...


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2025 at 11:51pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II ;

The  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_invasion_of_Denmark_%281940%29 - fall of Denmark  in April 1940 left the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark - Danish  colony of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland - Greenland  an unoccupied territory of an occupied nation, under the possibility of seizure by the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom - United Kingdom ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States - United States  or  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada - Canada . To forestall this, the United States acted to guarantee Greenland's position. With the entrance of the United States into the war in December 1941, Greenland became a combatant.

From 1941 until 1945, the United States established numerous and extensive facilities for air and sea traffic in Greenland, as well as radio beacons, radio stations, weather stations, ports, depots, artillery posts, and search-and-rescue stations. The  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Coast_Guard - United States Coast Guard  also provided a considerable portion of civilian resupply along both coasts.

Economically, Greenland traded successfully with the United States, Canada and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estado_Novo_%28Portugal%29 - Portugal , which, supplemented by the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryolite - cryolite  exports, caused a reanimation and permanent realignment of the island's economy.

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Before the war, Greenland was a tightly controlled colony of Denmark, otherwise closed off to the rest of the world. After the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Weser%C3%BCbung - invasion of Denmark  on 9 April 1940, Greenland was left on its own, because the United Kingdom's  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy - Royal Navy  seized any ships arriving from Axis-controlled Europe. The UK and Canada initially laid plans to occupy points of interest on the island, but the United States, still neutral, firmly rejected "third party" intervention there. The sheriffs ("landsfogeder") of South and North Greenland,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eske_Brun - Eske Brun  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aksel_Svane&action=edit&redlink=1 - Aksel Svane , invoking the emergency clause of a 1925 law specifying how Greenland was ruled, declared Greenland a self-ruling territory, believing this to be in the best interests of the colony as Denmark was occupied by  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany - Nazi Germany . This step was taken in coordination with the Danish ambassador to the United States,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrik_Kauffmann - Henrik Kauffmann , and the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_State - U.S. State Department , and comported with the American declaration of 1920 that no third nation would necessarily be accepted as a sovereign in Greenland. This diplomatic stance was seen as an extension of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine - Monroe Doctrine . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II#cite_note-Walling6-1 - Although the Danish government continued in power and still considered itself neutral, it was forced to obey German wishes in foreign policy matters. Kauffmann immediately recognized that his government was unable to exercise its full sovereignty, and therefore began to act in an independent capacity. On 13 April he took counsel with the Greenland sheriffs, and after some controversy they agreed to recognize him as their representative in the United States. Since the United States would not offer diplomatic recognition and aid to Greenland unless the local administration was independent, the sheriffs informed the local advisory parliament ("Landsraad") on 3 May that "there was no choice" but to act as a sovereign nation. The Danish Government continued to send orders to the colony via radio and through Portugal, but these messages were ignored. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II#cite_note-Howarth8-2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II#cite_note-Walling6-1 - The Greenlanders were also aware of the heavy  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Norway - Norwegian presence  in Canada. In the event that Canada attempted to occupy the colony, they were worried that  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Norwegian_Forces - Free Norwegian Forces  would be stationed in the area.


and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm ;

Project Iceworm was a top secret  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army - United States Army  program of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War - Cold War , which aimed to build a network of mobile  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon - nuclear missile  launch sites under the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_ice_sheet - Greenland ice sheet . The goal was to install a vast network of nuclear missile launch sites that could survive a  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-emptive_nuclear_strike - first strike . This was according to documents declassified in 1996. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm#cite_note-1 - To study the feasibility of working under the ice, a highly publicized "cover" project, known as  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Century - Camp Century , was launched in 1959. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm#cite_note-2 - Details of the missile base project were secret for decades, but first came to light in January 1995 during an enquiry by the Danish Foreign Policy Institute (DUPI) into the history of the use and storage of nuclear weapons in  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland - Greenland . The enquiry was ordered by the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folketing - Parliament of Denmark  following the release of previously classified information about the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash - 1968 Thule Air Base B-52 crash  that contradicted previous assertions by the Government of Denmark. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm#cite_note-DUPI-3 - On 5 May 1945, Greenlanders celebrated the liberation of Denmark in Nuuk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II#cite_note-19 -  The Greenland Administration under Eske Brun surrendered its emergency powers and again came under direct control from Copenhagen. Kauffmann returned to Copenhagen, where treason charges against him were dropped, and the Danish parliament ratified his agreement with the United States. The United States presence continued in decreasing numbers until the Kauffmann-Hull agreement was replaced by a new base treaty in 1951


see also https://archive.org/details/polarimperativeh0000gran - https://archive.org/details/polarimperativeh0000gran or https://archive.org/details/polarimperativeh0000gran /

  • Grant, Shelagh D. (29 July 2010).  https://archive.org/details/polarimperativeh0000gran - Polar Imperative: A History of Arctic Sovereignty in North America . Douglas & McIntyre.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISBN_%28identifier%29 - ISBN   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9781553654186 - 9781553654186 .


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2025 at 5:36am
Why is Greenland "Danish" -a bit to much US friendly story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGr0kw4JgU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGr0kw4JgU or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGr0kw4JgU ;

Why Is Greenland Part Of Denmark?

 A few comments;

https://www.youtube.com/@kjensen7819 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGr0kw4JgU&lc=UgyBEGniEurvsQBqcEZ4AaABAg - 1 day ago

As a Dane I 100% think that the native people living in Greenland should decide if they want to stay with Denmark or become independant - or even a state in US if that is what they want . But just for info; Denmark has been in total paying the equivalent of approx 15.000 USD per every citizen in Greenland every year for many years, to help with education and health system and many other social issues there. This has however also not helped the natives to form their own sustainable society, so many native blames Denmark for helping and interfering. Denmark for sure have not always behaved correctly looking with today glasses, during history when it comes to the natives, but we have always supported and tried carefully, especially the last 2-3 decades to protect the old culture of the natives in Greenland. I hope the natives at least can admit that Denmark never plundered Greenland like many others when they had colonised countries. We never tried to just take any natural resources for our own benefit. I am sure in a deal with the US, there will be a hunt for natural resources, and if that is what the natives want, then this is their decision 100%. I wish everyone in Greenland and bright future.
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https://www.youtube.com/@potatogun4238 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGr0kw4JgU&lc=UgzcMmXiuNHpm7DUU5t4AaABAg - 5 days ago

Canada and Denmark did have the best war over a small island between Greenland and Canada's artic. They both laid clam to the island and how they waged war was the most epic way possible. Once a year they would send a navy ship to the island and change each others flag so they would fly there flag for 6 months each. Then leave a case of there favorite national high proof alcohol so it would freeze for the other country when the came to change there flag. They have been feuding and fighting like this since 1973. If you don't count hangovers there injuries in the Whisky War. Russia invasion of Ukraine meant that any land disputes with NATO countries meant they had to straighten up and act wright. So the drew a line down the middle of Hans island in 2022 and ended the Whisky War.
DJ, Greenland is from the Greenland population...The US was NOT invited to move in in 1941 !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mB68eP2Zuo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mB68eP2Zuo or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mB68eP2Zuo WION;

Donald Trump's Bid To 'Annex' Greenland | World News | WION

DJ, trump comes up with sanctions if Denmark does not give up Greenland...The present US = 40% bought, from Russia (Alaska), Mexico, France, Spain, DenmarK (Virgin Isles)...

US bases in Greenland...(in progres-will be another post). https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Former-US-air-bases-in-Greenland-during-WWII-the-air-base-of-our-interest-is-circled_fig1_373652483 - https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Former-US-air-bases-in-Greenland-during-WWII-the-air-base-of-our-interest-is-circled_fig1_373652483 or https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Former-US-air-bases-in-Greenland-during-WWII-the-air-base-of-our-interest-is-circled_fig1_373652483 (indication)


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2025 at 10:14am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMDDLGkP1I0 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMDDLGkP1I0 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMDDLGkP1I0 ;

Trump's Greenland 'Grab' - A British Problem


President Trump's announcement that Denmark must transfer sovereignty over Greenland to the US has caused a transatlantic diplomat spat which has just become more complicated when Denmark revealed a 1917 agreement made with Britain concerning Greenland's future. Find out the story behind American attempts to obtain Greenland, and how British involvement may complicate President Trump's new plan.

DJ, If Denmark would sell Greenland it would first have to offer it to the UK...The 1867 US idea was to "encircle Canada-with buying both Alaska and Greenland...the Greenland-part failed...

DJ-Since Norway and Denmark for a long time were one country also Norway made claims on Greenland-Svalbard/Spitsbergen is under Norwegian control...


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2025 at 11:37pm
https://english.news.cn/europe/20250128/00183759eecb40e48cc9d574e5d62f85/c.html - https://english.news.cn/europe/20250128/00183759eecb40e48cc9d574e5d62f85/c.html or https://english.news.cn/europe/20250128/00183759eecb40e48cc9d574e5d62f85/c.html ; HELSINKI, Jan. 27 (Xinhua) -- Denmark has unveiled plans to bolster its military presence in the Arctic amid rising concerns over the U.S. interest in acquiring Greenland, a Danish-owned territory.

Danish Defence Minister Troels Lund Poulsen announced late Monday that the government will allocate 14.6 billion Danish krona (approximately 2 billion U.S. dollars) to boost the defence of Greenland, Arctic Sea and Northern Atlantic. The decision follows an agreement among Danish political parties.

The plans will include three new arctic naval vessels and two long-range drones, increased surveillance and crisis training for the local residents. Poulsen said in a press conference that these preparations are just the initial phase, with further plans expected to be finalized by summer.

According to Danish Broadcasting Corporation, the new vessels would enter service within five or six years, expected to replace existing vessels.

When questioned about whether these measures would "calm down" U.S. President Donald Trump's interest in Greenland, Poulsen refrained from a direct response, underlining the importance of co-operation with NATO allies, including Canada, the United States and Norway.

President Trump has recently reiterated the U.S. interest in Greenland, which remains an autonomous area under Danish sovereignty.

Referring to an upcoming meeting on Tuesday with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, French President Emmanuel Macron and NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said Europe is in a serious situation. "With war on the continent and changes in the geopolitical reality. In such a time, unity is crucial." 


DJ, "western media/propaganda" (cnn, bbc, reuters, dw etc) also "mentioned" this news...A lot of Danish news behind paywall...Xinhua is Chines...at a certain distance...

The 2 billion extra Danish defense spending has to be a part of a wider program. 
-Less spending on US weapons if trump becomes a risk would be "more then wise"...Sweden has a major defense industry...
-Finding allies may strengthen the Danish/Greenland position...Canada HAS to be a major ally. Norway-in Svalbard (Spitsbergen Dutch and Russian name a.o.) also can be of use...
-Speeding up talks on Greenland independence/protection also is welcome...
-Closing US bases in Greenland should be an option if trump does increase pressure...
(DJ-Closing US occupation may mean cutting supply lines...The US "stayed" after World War Two..NEVER was invited by a Danish government !



Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2025 at 3:33am
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-militarily-dominating-arctic-working-china-us-slips-behind-study - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-militarily-dominating-arctic-working-china-us-slips-behind-study   or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-militarily-dominating-arctic-working-china-us-slips-behind-study ;

NATO actually currently has five more military sites in total than Russia, but the Russian military's bases are far larger. The  https://www.thesimonsfoundation.ca/sites/default/files/MilitaryFootprintsintheArctic_Final%2C%20March%202024.pdf - Simons Foundation Canada has documented  in a fresh study that Russia has 32 "continuously attended military sites" in the Arctic region as of 2024.

Notably the outposts located Franz Josef Land, Kotelny Island, and Wrangel Island are able to house up to 150 ground troops each.

One of NATO's founding members, Norway, maintains 15 "continuously attended military sites". And per The Simons Foundation report, other NATO members have  https://www.newsweek.com/nato-russias-military-bases-arctic-map-2022961 - as follows :

  • United States: 10 Arctic sites
  • Canada: 8 Arctic sites
  • Denmark: 3 Arctic sites, which are in Greenland
  • Iceland: 1 Arctic site

Still, Russia's military has warned that "the Arctic is a region for potential future conflict" amid the global build-up there, according to Russia’s Commander of the Northern Fleet, Aleksandr Moiseyev.

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As for China-Russian cooperation in the far north, the fresh WSJ report observes in the  https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/russia-china-artic-sea-nato-2ca1ea10 - following :

That support has been prominent in the Arctic, where Chinese companies are significant investors and equipment suppliers in Russian energy projects including the Yamal LNG and Arctic 2 LNG projects. 

Russia, in return, has been shipping fuel to China using its so-called shadow fleet, by which sanctioned vessels make illicit deliveries of Russian oil to markets in Asia. Last year saw a record volume for transit cargo through the Northern Sea Route from northwestern Russia to the Bering Strait, according to Rosatom, the Russian agency that oversees the waterway. Almost all of that cargo went from Russia to China, and more than half was crude oil. The total volume remains a fraction of crude-oil traffic through the Suez Canal: While the northern route’s shorter distance can cut transit times by two weeks, sea ice remains a treacherous obstacle despite shrinking ice cover.


DJ, Russia also has stronger ice-breakers. Control from Murmansk to Magadan gives Russia a better control-more room to move...The NW passage between Greenland and Canada has more ice most of the time...


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2025 at 11:06pm
DJ, A basic problem for Greenland is its very small population... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland# ...population under 60,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland has a population under 400,000...In the past the US also "showed interest" in taking over Iceland...(partly on European, partly on American continental shell). 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Islands - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Islands or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Islands also has a small population-around 55,000 people...

All three share Danish colonization history-with Greenland also an Inuit majority...

So could "GIF" Greenland-Iceland-Faroe federation work ? 
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DJ-The "GIF-model" would protect local cultures and intersts...What could "joining the US" bring ? 

If Greenland, Iceland would make a choice to "join the US" it could result in population growth...It could become a "North Atlantic Alaska" .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska ;population just over 740, 000...over twice the GIF-population...

People could move to Greenland, Iceland for retirement, tourism...Iceland could use heat from its volcanos for glass houses to increase local foodproduction...

Food prices in GIF are very high-with very low local production capacity other then fish, sheep...Iceland has an IKEA...but most of the GIF-countries simply have a much too small market for larger scale foodproduction, low-cost supermarkets...

However GIF joining the US would END local culture...Hawaii may indicate how the US did end the local culture there...Joining the US would mean more then introduction of the US$...It would make English(American) the main language...very likely bring a "wild west culture" since both mining, fishing and agriculture in general is not the "best kind of work" ...(hard working-long hours-low pay, high risk...)

So could "GIF" Greenland-Iceland-Faroe profit from joining the US ? Very likely the US would profit much more...
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Greenland-Canada cooperation ? Most of Canadians live in a 100 miles/160 kilometer zone from the US border...I did see a question on Canada joining the EU...part of the EU idea was countries close to eachother going for better cooperation (in part to support peace). 

The UK is out of the EU...maybe Canada may work with the UK-has more links with that ? 
If the UK would rejoin the EU however...interesting...

For now Canada in the present EU may increase tensions between the French speaking and English speaking groups...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#Languages - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#Languages or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#Languages ;A multitude of languages are used by Canadians, with  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_English - English  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_French - French  (the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_language - official languages ) being the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_language - mother tongues  of approximately 54 percent and 19 percent of Canadians, respectively. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-:0-292 -   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_bilingualism_in_Canada - Canada's official bilingualism policies  give citizens the right to receive federal government services in either English or French with official- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_language - language minorities  guaranteed their own schools in all provinces and territories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-311 - Canada has one of the highest per-capita immigration rates in the world, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-282 -  driven mainly by  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_immigration_to_Canada - economic policy  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_categories_%28Canada%29 - family reunification . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-283 -  A record 405,000 immigrants were admitted in 2021. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-284 -  Canada leads the world in  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_country_resettlement - refugee resettlement ; it resettled more than 47,600 in 2022. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-g225-285 -  New immigrants settle mostly in  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_population_centres_in_Canada - major urban areas , such as Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#cite_note-286 -

If you want "open borders" there are other ways to create that-you do not need to see Canada joining the US...

Still if you believe "Gulf of America" is improvement some people may think Canada joining the US is a step forward...It may see more chances for US democratic party though...


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2025 at 1:27pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election 

DJ, Wikipage may be updated...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen ;

Jens Frederik Nielsen (born 22 June 1991) is a Greenlandic politician and badminton player. He is the current leader of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demokraatit - Demokraatit  party, and formerly served as the Minister of Labour and Mineral Resources during the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielsen_VII_Cabinet - Kielsen VII Cabinet . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen#cite_note-1 -

Political career

[ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jens_Frederik_Nielsen&action=edit&section=1 - edit ]

During the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election - 2025 Greenlandic general election , Nielsen received 3,939 personal votes. Nielsen received more votes than incumbent Prime Minister  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BAte_Bourup_Egede - Múte Bourup Egede , who received 2,679. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen#cite_note-2 -

Political views

[ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jens_Frederik_Nielsen&action=edit&section=2 - edit ]

Nielsen is opposed to the proposed sale of Greenland to the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Frederik_Nielsen#cite_note-lauritzen-3 - The Democrats ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_language - Greenlandic : Demokraatit  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Greenlandic - [temokʁaːt͡sit] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_language - Danish : DemokraterneD) is a  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism - social liberal   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Greenland - political party  in  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland - Greenland .

The party used to be sceptical of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_independence - Greenlandic independence  and even further  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution - self-governance . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_%28Greenland%29#cite_note-8 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_%28Greenland%29#cite_note-9 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_%28Greenland%29#cite_note-Handbook-2 - In terms of country of birth, the population is estimated to be of 89.7%  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlanders - Greenlandic   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-ethnic - multiethnic   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Europe - European - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit - Inuit  origin, 7.8%  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_people_in_Greenland - Danish , 1.1% other  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_countries - Nordic  and 1.4% other. The multi-ethnic population of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Europe - European - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit - Inuit  represent people of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_people_in_Greenland - Danish ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_people - Norwegian  and to a lesser degree of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroese_people - Faroese ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_people - Icelandic ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_people - Dutch  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_the_Netherlands#17th_century - whalers ),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_people - German https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-cia.gov-7 - A 2015 wide genetic study of Greenlanders found modern-day Inuit in Greenland are direct descendants of the first Inuit pioneers of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_people - Thule culture  who arrived in the 13th century, with approximately 25% admixture of the European colonisers from the 16th century. Despite previous speculations, no evidence of Viking settlers predecessors has been found. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#cite_note-201 - 155,792 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-canada2021-1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-geinu-2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-dkinu-3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-usinu-4 -

Canada70,540 (2021) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-canada2021-1 - Greenland51,479 (2023) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-geinu-2 - United States16,581 (2010) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-dkinu-3 - Denmark17,067 (2023)
DJ, From that perspective Inuit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#Governance - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#Governance or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#Governance ;
The  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_Circumpolar_Council - Inuit Circumpolar Council  is a  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations - United Nations -recognized  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-governmental_organization - non-governmental organization  (NGO), which defines its constituency as Canada's Inuit and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuvialuit - Inuvialuit , Greenland's  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalaallit_Inuit - Kalaallit Inuit , Alaska's  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inupiat - Inupiat  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yupik - Yup'ik , and Russia's  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Yupik - Siberian Yupik , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-ICCcharter-182 -  despite the last two neither speaking an Inuit dialect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#cite_note-kaplanold-71 -  or considering themselves "Inuit". Nonetheless, it has come together with other circumpolar cultural and political groups to promote Inuit and other northern people in their fight against  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecology - ecological  problems such as  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change - climate change  which disproportionately affects Inuit population.
DJ, Including lands/population of other Inuit groups may put Greenland in a better position. 


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2025 at 4:26am
https://www.euronews.com/2025/03/13/natos-rutte-instrumental-to-annexation-of-greenland-trump-suggests - https://www.euronews.com/2025/03/13/natos-rutte-instrumental-to-annexation-of-greenland-trump-suggests or https://www.euronews.com/2025/03/13/natos-rutte-instrumental-to-annexation-of-greenland-trump-suggests ;

Trump and Rutte did not schedule a press conference but did speak with reporters in the Oval Office at the start of their meeting. One reporter asked about Trump's vision for the possible annexation of Greenland.

"I think it will happen," Trump said. "I'm sitting with a man that can be very instrumental," he added, pointing to Rutte with his hand. Trump continued to elaborate on the matter:

"You know, Mark, it is very important for international security because we have a lot of our favourite players cruising around the coast, and we have to be careful. We will be talking to you."

Rutte tries to avoid involving NATO, Trump insists

Rutte intervened in Trump's speech by saying, "When it comes to Greenland, if it joins the US or not, I will leave that outside of me in this discussion because I don't want to drag NATO into that."

Rutte continued by saying that he agreed on how important the area is.

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"Russia has 40 icebreakers. We have to have protection. We have to make a deal on that. And Denmark is not able to do that. Denmark is very far away and really has nothing to do....They landed there 200 years ago or something, and they say they have rights to it. I don't know if that's true; I don't think it is, actually," the US president said.

Trump reminded the audience that his country already has several bases and many soldiers in Greenland.

"Maybe you will see more and more soldiers going there, I don't know," he concluded.

The president has been regularly demanding that European countries spend more money on their own security, and on the ongoing costs of supporting Ukraine against Russia's full-scale invasion.


DJ, DenmarK (DK) can not stop more US-military moving in...other NATO members WILL not stop that process...

Also improving port facilities in Greenland are high cost and "limited usage (mining). So again here the US could play its "game"...

However lots of countries are interested in mining in Greenland. So multi-national companies may develop mining and export themselves...in cooperation with both Greenland and DK. 


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2025 at 5:25am
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/14/greenland-pm-calls-for-tougher-rejection-of-trumps-plan-to-take-island - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/14/greenland-pm-calls-for-tougher-rejection-of-trumps-plan-to-take-island or https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/14/greenland-pm-calls-for-tougher-rejection-of-trumps-plan-to-take-island ;
Outgoing Prime Minister Mute Egede says ‘disrespect’ for Greenland must stop as US president again says he wants Arctic island.
US President Donald Trump and NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte appear to share a joke, in the Oval Office at the White House in Washington, DC, on Thursday [Evelyn Hockstein/Reuters]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/12/greenland-votes-in-election-dominated-by-trumps-pledge-to-control-island - Greenland’s outgoing  Prime Minister Mute Egede has called for a stronger rejection by local politicians of United States President Donald Trump’s promise to take over the  https://www.aljazeera.com/program/by-the-numbers-3/2025/3/11/how-did-greenland-become-the-crown-jewel-of-the-arctic - strategically-located island , warning that “enough is enough”.

“This time we need to toughen our rejection of Trump. People cannot continue to disrespect us,” Egede wrote on Facebook after Trump reiterated on Thursday his desire to annex the autonomous Danish territory.

“The American president has once again evoked the idea of annexing us. I absolutely cannot accept that,” he wrote.

“I have therefore asked the administration to summon the party heads as soon as possible,”  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/5/will-make-you-rich-trump-vows-to-take-greenland-one-way-or-the-other - said Egede , who continues to lead Greenland while awaiting the formation of a new government following his party’s defeat in elections on Tuesday.

Speaking earlier at the White House alongside NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, Trump doubled down on his  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/11/mapping-greenlands-resources-population-centres-and-us-military-base - wish to annex Greenland  – an island of 57,000 people – saying: “I think it will happen.”

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Danish politician Rasmus Jarlov took to social media after the Trump meeting with Rutte, saying that  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/3/nato-without-us-silly-but-trade-tensions-wont-affect-deterrence-chief - Denmark did “not appreciate” the head of NATO “joking with Trump about Greenland like this” .

“It would mean war between two NATO countries,” Jarlov said.

“Greenland has just voted against immediate independence from Denmark and does not want to be American ever,” he said.

DJ, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_and_the_European_Union - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_and_the_European_Union or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_and_the_European_Union Greenland left the EU in 1985. 


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2025 at 5:34am
DJ, Greenland could decide to leave NATO and go for a sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System for Greenland. 

The Antarctic Treaty and related agreements, collectively known as the Antarctic Treaty System (ATS), regulate  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_relations - international relations  with respect to  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica - Antarctica , Earth's only  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent - continent  without a native human population.

It was the first  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_control - arms control  agreement established during the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War - Cold War , designating the continent as a scientific preserve, establishing freedom of scientific investigation, and banning  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_activity_in_the_Antarctic - military activity ; for the purposes of the treaty system, 

Antarctica is defined as all the land and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_shelf - ice shelves  south of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60th_parallel_south - 60°S latitude . Since September 2004, the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_Secretariat - Antarctic Treaty Secretariat , which implements the treaty system, is headquartered in  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenos_Aires - Buenos Aires , Argentina. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System#cite_note-3 - The first  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humans - humans  are thought to have arrived in  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland - Greenland  around 2500 BCE. Their descendants most likely died out and were replaced and succeeded by several other human groups migrating from continental  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America - North America  since then. There has been no evidence discovered that Greenland was known to  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsemen - Norsemen  until the 9th century CE, when Norse  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland - Icelandic  explorers settled on its southwestern coast. The ancestors of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_Inuit - Greenlandic Inuit  who live there today appear to have migrated there later, around the year 1200, across the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nares_Strait - Nares Strait  from northern Canada.

DJ, So population history of Greenland is "complex"-and Europeans have been there for over a 1,000 year (moving from there to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland ;VinlandVineland, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland#cite_note-2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland#cite_note-3 -  or Winland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland#cite_note-Danver2010-4 -  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Norse_language - Old Norse Vínland hit góða https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literal_translation - lit.  'Vinland the Good') was an area of coastal  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America - North America  explored by  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings - Vikings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Erikson - Leif Eriksson  landed there around 1000 AD, nearly five centuries before the voyages of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus - Christopher Columbus  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cabot - John Cabot . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland#cite_note-Wonders2003-5 -  The name appears in the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland_Sagas - Vinland Sagas , and describes  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_%28island%29 - Newfoundland  and the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Saint_Lawrence - Gulf of Saint Lawrence  as far as northeastern  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Brunswick - New Brunswick . Much of the geographical content of the sagas corresponds to present-day knowledge of transatlantic travel and North America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland#cite_note-6 -


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2025 at 2:38am
https://www.thelocal.dk/20250323/wife-of-us-vp-vance-to-visit-greenland - https://www.thelocal.dk/20250323/wife-of-us-vp-vance-to-visit-greenland or https://www.thelocal.dk/20250323/wife-of-us-vp-vance-to-visit-greenland ;(paywalled...new form of censorship...) 

https://www.dw.com/en/us-second-lady-usha-vance-to-visit-greenland/a-72013993 - https://www.dw.com/en/us-second-lady-usha-vance-to-visit-greenland/a-72013993 or https://www.dw.com/en/us-second-lady-usha-vance-to-visit-greenland/a-72013993 ;

JD Vance's wife, Second Lady Usha Vance, will travel to Greenland on Thursday. US President Donald Trump has said he wants to take control of the mineral-rich, autonomous Danish territory.

Second Lady Usha Vance, the wife of the United States  https://www.dw.com/en/jd-vance/t-70177094 - Vice President JD Vance , is due to visit the autonomous Danish territory of  https://www.dw.com/en/greenland/t-71244495 - Greenland  this week, the White House said Sunday.

Vance will be accompanied by one of her three children as part of a US delegation that will also include  https://www.dw.com/en/donald-trump/t-19434433 - President Donald Trump's  National Security Adviser Mike Waltz and Energy Secretary Chris Wright.

During the three-day trip, which begins Thursday, Vance will view historical sites, learn about Greenland's heritage, and watch the Avannaata Qimussersu, the Arctic territory's national dogsled race, the White House said in a statement.

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A US official said that Waltz and Wright were expected to visit a US military base in Greenland during the trip.

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In an interview Sunday with Greenlandic daily Sermitsiaq, Denmark's Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said the US delegation's visit "cannot be seen independently of the public statements" Trump has made.

"We want to work with the Americans," Frederiksen told Sermitsiaq. "But it must and shall be a cooperation based on the fundamental values of sovereignty and respect between countries and peoples. This is something we take seriously," she added.

Polls suggest that a majority of Greenland residents support independence from Denmark  https://www.dw.com/en/greenland-parties-unite-to-reject-trumps-annexation-plans/a-71929098 - but are against being annexed by Washington .

A Greenlandic party that favors gradual independence from Copenhagen won a recent general election in the territory.


DJ, Both DenmarK (DK) and the EU are "unhappy" with US-trump plans...however for now are NOT stopping it..

Greenland politics should seek security in a deal that also includes (nearby and stronger) Canada...Turn US bases into NATO (most EU) bases...

Under present agreements DK and Greenland may NOT be able to stop the US from "increasing all kinds of military activities"...However other NATO members also "could increase that kind of activities"....

If that does not do enough of a job maybe neutral/Antarctic countries could be invited to "increase their presence" in Greenland ? (Chile, Argentina ? ). 


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2025 at 10:59pm
US scaled down the seize of the VP-delegation planning to visit Greenland this week-and only the US base in the north of Greenland now is on the agenda. 

DJ-From a PR point of view unloading all kinds of armoured cars/security from US planes-because of a "high level" but touristic US visit was planned may have looked to much like a US invasion...

In a poll "85% of Greenland population" is against joining the US...Now that statistic has "limited value"....If joining the US would make everyone living at present in Greenland a multi-millionaire that number could change...Greenland is very rich...giving a share of that wealth to its citizens will have to be a basis for any talks...

A complication is who to talk with Greenland and/or Denmark...foreign policy/defense is still a Danish "job"...mining, tourism is a Greenland/Nuuk job...
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https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/ - https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/ or https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/ On the list of 233 countries (etc) by population Greenland is at # 207...The Faroe Islands, Bermuda (even) have a larger population...

One could discuss Greenland borders. Should the Canadian Arctic (Archipelago) be included ? Or Svalbard ? Maybe even Iceland ? 

For now the idea is the 57,000 Greenlanders themselves decide on their future. And they want to go for an independent Greenland. 

Joining/leaving EU, NATO etc. is another part of an agenda...

The US/trump interest is in mining and security. He may get "a lot" without greenland joining the US...

A strategic part (also played when the US did buy Alaska 1867 from Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Purchase - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Purchase or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Purchase ) is if the US "has" Alaska AND Greenland it can increase pressure on Canada...(and the North Atlantic). 

To much confrontation over Greenland is further widening the gap between the US and "the rest of the west"...so the US/trump scaling down a bit may be wise...


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2025 at 12:54pm
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-says-nothing-table-obtaining-greenland - https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-says-nothing-table-obtaining-greenland or https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-says-nothing-table-obtaining-greenland 

We'll get Greenland. Yeah, 100 percent,” Trump told NBC News in a phone  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-couldnt-care-less-automakers-raise-prices-tariffs-rcna198731 - interview  on March 29, saying that there’s a “good possibility that we could do it without military force” but that he wouldn’t “take anything off the table.”

Trump’s comments were made one day after Vice President JD Vance visited the island with his wife, Usha, and talked with service members at Pituffik Space Base, a U.S. Space Force Base on Greenland’s northwestern coast.

Our message to Denmark is very simple—you have not done a good job by the people of Greenland,” Vance said during his trip.


DJ; Russia will NOT accept the US taking over Greenland.


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2025 at 10:29pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk2zlzgy4H8 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk2zlzgy4H8 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk2zlzgy4H8 Lena Petrova ;

US to Send $10,000 Checks to EACH Greenlander to Allow the US ANNEX Their Land


DJ, So 57,000 Greenlanders X 10,000 US$ = 570 million...to "liberate rare earths, oil, gas"

A comment;  https://www.youtube.com/@fookchong6783 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk2zlzgy4H8&lc=UgwHMPqsKb4vn_txTqd4AaABAg&pp=0gcJCSMANpG00pGi - 2 hours ago
The Greenland residents should ask this question regarding the past and current US government treatment of Americans Indigenous Indian. Where are these Indigenous tribes now Black foot, Cheyenne Apache etc

DJ, DK did do many bad things in the past...May have learned from it. 

Can a small population like Greenland has protect a realistic form of independce for Greenland ? My view; Greenland NEEDS to work with "partners".

The US PR campain showing Inuit in Alaska are "so happy to be part of the US" could backfire... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party was quite right wing...

However if Canada has to join the US...why not claim Alaska, Greenland may be better of with Canada-and part of a "widening EU" (no longer European Union-but Economic Union ?)



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