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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh 2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2025 at 11:56pm
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/1004918-cidrap-in-light-of-avian-flu-seasonal-flu-cdc-urges-clinicians-to-speed-influenza-a-subtyping or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/1004918-cidrap-in-light-of-avian-flu-seasonal-flu-cdc-urges-clinicians-to-speed-influenza-a-subtyping 

DJ...the big question is how H5N1 very widespread in the US, but H5N1 is a global problem, is already "mixed" with other types of flu...

Some "optimists" claim "we can end pandemics if we all use masks/eyeprotection, ventilation...DJ-It would slow down the process...like vaccines-limit disease (lower viral load). 

The BIG problem however;
Lots of diseases are also spreading in lots of other species...so the diseases have tens of billions of (potential) hosts-with all kinds of mutations/recombinations happening...

One may claim the Spanish H1N1-flu (1917-1923) mainly was a human problem. Selflimiting because after infection people did get immunity against the H1N1 virus...With also a side note that bacterial co-infections and immune-overreaction did kill a lot of the 20-100 million people in those days...

Since 2019 CoViD-19/SARS-2 may have done THREE things;
-Acute disease, may have killed 32-40 million (official statistic at 7 million...but that ignores untested CoViD deaths...)
-Long CoViD, damage to organs by the virus/bloodcloths etc.
-Immunity damage in BILLIONS !!! of humans !

An estimate that I take serious is over half of the global population may have had CoViD at least once...
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DJ-CoViD is NOT a type of flu...it is a COrona-VIrus-Disease (CoViD) with the corona virus able to stay behind, hide in organs...NOT creating the "group/herd" immunity some "experts" hoped for...

Even worse...even "cold" corona-virusses may have been underestimated. Not only bringing "a cold" but maybe linked to ME-CFS...

Saving the economy meant ignoring public health...marginalizing Long CoViD, ME-CFS patients...simply denying the problem...

Immunity gets exhausted because of re-infections AND CoViD staying in the host...

DJ-I am NOT any kind of expert...a risk in "experts" can be a (certain) tunnelvision. So Mpox, H5N1, HMPV etc. "going for new horizons" is NOT linked-by some experts-as CoViD-damage related...Just like high(er) excess deaths due to hearth, ung, brain issues are NOT linked to CoViD-damage...

DJ-It makes me wonder how "science" works...The WHO -for years-denying aerosol CoViD spread.. 

So what will be next ? A global wave of Ebola, Marburg-virus ? Measles able to evade immunity ? Or an animal disease-very limited so far-able to go into many species ? 

"Political blame games" make matters only worse...
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DJ, "limited new news"...the US H5N1-story is partly "political" ? 
CALIFORNIA WILDFIRES
Norovirus outbreak reported at Pasadena evacuation shelter

Posted: Jan 17, 2025 / 01:07 PM PST
Updated: Jan 17, 2025 / 01:07 PM PST
by: Austin Turner

An outbreak of the norovirus has been reported at the Pasadena Evacuation Center, officials confirmed.

The Pasadena Public Health Department said that three cases of the norovirus were confirmed at the Pasadena Convention Center shelter on Friday morning. Those three diagnoses come as a cluster of 28 people battle acute gastrointestinal illness.

Since Jan. 10, the American Red Cross has been operating the shelter, which is designed to house Eaton Fire victims who lost their homes or were forced to evacuate. ...

The PPHD said crews at the evacuation shelter are making sure to isolate the individuals who became sick and are working with onsite medical teams from Kaiser Permanente and AltaMed to provide the necessary medical aid.
DJ, trump denied both climate and pandemic disasters...
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https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/singapore-scientists-offer-groundbreaking-insights-into-how-respiratory-microbiomes-shift-during-influenza-and-covid-19 or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/singapore-scientists-offer-groundbreaking-insights-into-how-respiratory-microbiomes-shift-during-influenza-and-covid-19 

and https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-who-accused-of-fabricating-marburg-virus-outbreak-in-tanzania-to-distract-attention-from-the-global-hmpv-crisis or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-who-accused-of-fabricating-marburg-virus-outbreak-in-tanzania-to-distract-attention-from-the-global-hmpv-crisis 

DJ-Big picture; CoViD and flu co-spreading in many places...H5N1 may be mixed in with flu-types spreading in humans...HMPV a growing crisis ? 
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https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2025/01/articles/animals/dogs/influenza-vaccination-in-dogs-cross-protection-against-h5n1/ or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2025/01/articles/animals/dogs/influenza-vaccination-in-dogs-cross-protection-against-h5n1/ 

DJ, Both CoViD and H5N1 are widespread around the globe in many species and co-spreading. 

The idea of "group immunity after infection" for CoViD is anti-science...eventough some still promote that insanity...Flu may be self-limiting-infection creating immunity against the same flu-variant...and it may offer some protection against "similar" types of flu ? 

H5N1 is -very likely-already mixed in with H1N1/H3N2-flu now spreading in many countries...co-infection with CoViD (some variants may "mix" better ?) "flu-rona" may result in more severe disease...

HMPV seems to be a growing other global risk (with RS-virus, measles, Mpox etc also a widespread problem). 
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Non Pharma Intervention is something YOU control !
-Information the major tool !
-Ventilation is lowering viral load (for flu, CoViD etc !)
-Masks/eye-protection means the virus will have less chance of getting into you !
-Vaccines lower risks after infection - in general
-Limit travel-do not spread the viruses...Very likely MOST of the spread may be a/pre-symptomatic !
-Avoid-if possible-crowds...

DJ-A "bigger picture" is disease will become such a big problem even trump&co may have to admit some steps are needed...Pumping in more tax money into BiG Pharma share holders is "a common neo-liberal" reflex...Most non-western countries see Big Pharma as strategic; if not state owned at least state controlled; You do NOT make profits out of crises...exploiting crises for profits is in the way of solving those crises...

It may be too late for the climate crises...but we should be able to limit pandemics if we want to...

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https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/norovirus-can-also-spread-via-aerosol-transmission or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/norovirus-can-also-spread-via-aerosol-transmission 

link to https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/16/1/151  or https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/16/1/151

DJ, Aerosol-spread may also be a factor in clade lb-Mpox spread (?)...

Only further increasing the need for better surveilance and testing !
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This one will still be intentionally 'missed' by many because the original study shows scientific evidence that #LongCovid impacts more people in their prime years. It is too much of an uncomfortable truth for many to handle. #NeuroCovid https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ana.27128
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45% of those with Long COVID suffer from a sleep disorder (1). It's so prevalent it's dubbed 'coronasomnia'. Here is the science...🧵

DJ, problem is NOT lack of science...but we ignore science...A "pandemic of stupidity"!
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