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DJ, Climate "change/collapse" is a complex process. Pandemics are complex...Both indicate we need to change the way we live...and "changing the way we live" is very unwelcome if some companies no longer can make profits...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TL0dxTFIyk or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TL0dxTFIyk Jason Box;

short and long term variations in the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets

presentation practice run for delivery at Danish National Center for Climate Research annual symposium. Review article https://doi.org/10.1038/s43017-023-00...

DJ, Good to realize the complexity of Greenland/Antarctic melt...Even with a smaller area Greenland is contributing -now- more on sealevelrise then (West)Antartica...

Gravity-loss due to less (land)ice means sealevelrise on the other side...Antarctic sealevelrise is caused by less ice in/on Greenland...

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,4145.900.html#lastPost or https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,4145.900.html#lastPost Arctic #1
Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2025 of 13.71 million km2, 0.17 million km2 below the March 2017 record low maximum of 13.88 million km2, which would be 1st lowest in the 47 year satellite record.
 
and https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1759.4800.html#lastPost or https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1759.4800.html#lastPost Antarctic #1;
Projections. (Table JAXA-Ant1)

Average remaining melt (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Feb 2025 of 1.59 million km2, 0.36 million km2 BELOW the 2023 record low minimum of 1.95 million km2 which would be 1st lowest in the satellite record.

DJ, Every 1C= =7% more rain, snow...So "extreme weather" in central US, Spain is related to decrease of ice in the polar regions...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Season_effects or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Season_effects 

DJ-"Patty" may be forming-but very unclear...Damage of "Helene" 88 billion US$...over 228 people killed..."Milton" damage over 85 billion, 35 deaths...

The "political picture" is denial of problems is very popular...while both in pandemics and climate collapse (very much related) time is running out...
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"Slow processes" are polar melt, sealevel/temperature rise..."methane mega burbs" may be "explosive"....Not all climate "change" processes are "slow"....A "methane mega burb" will be a seismic event...could also push up global temperatures (and with that sealevel) high speed...

"Rivers in the sky" can coexist with extreme drought...making food and even drinkable water a fast growing problem...

"Humans are a selflimiting planetary disease"
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https://english.elpais.com/spain/2024-10-30/at-least-51-killed-in-flooding-in-spain.html or https://english.elpais.com/spain/2024-10-30/at-least-51-killed-in-flooding-in-spain.html ;

At least 51 people have died as a result of the floods in the Spanish province of Valencia, according to the Integrated Operational Coordination Center of the Ministry of Interior, which compiles information from various security and emergency agencies. 


Early in the day, Valenciana authorities discussed “multiple victims” but could not confirm an exact number.


Dozens of individuals spent Tuesday night in Valencia in trucks or cars, climbing onto the roofs of stores or gas stations, seeking refuge on bridges, or trapped in their vehicles on impassable roads until they were rescued. 


Many are still awaiting assistance from emergency services.


DJ, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%9325_European_windstorm_season or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%9325_European_windstorm_season and https://www.estofex.org/ or https://www.estofex.org/ ;

Storm Forecast
Valid: Tue 29 Oct 2024 06:00 to Wed 30 Oct 2024 06:00 UTC
Issued: Mon 28 Oct 2024 22:35
Forecaster: PUCIK

A level 2 was issued across E Spain mainly for heavy rainfall, large to very large hail and tornadoes.

A level 1 was issued across S - Central Spain mainly for heavy rainfall, large hail and tornadoes.

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... Spain ...

A deep low at mid to upper troposphere is forecast to move from N Africa to SE Spain. This will result in a passage of a pronounced exit region of a cyclonically curved jet in the afternoon to early night hours across E Spain. Models show continuous warm air advection regime across the area from the Balearic Sea almost during the whole forecast period. Combined with an onshore/upslope easterly flow towards the higher terrain, many hours of storm activity are likely, starting in the night from Monday to Tuesday and persisting till Wednesday. Storms will be fed by a pool of high CAPE over the Balearic Sea, where an elevated mixed layer has been advected from Sahara. CAPE will be the highest at the E coastline of Spain, decreasing inland.

Widespread storms are forecast to initiate in the highlighted area. Storm coverage may vary a bit during the day.


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The scale of the flooding currently unfolding in Valencia, Spain is unfathomable. This is footage from Chiva, where a jaw-dropping 343 mm of rain was recorded in just 4 hours earlier today, between 4:30 PM and 8:30 PM.
DJ, in combination with mountains/hills extreme flooding/landslides could be expected...However the amount of rain was "of any scale"...Ever 1 foot of rain in less than 4 hours....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Spain_floods or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Spain_floods
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Spain_floods or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Spain_floods Floods in the east of Spain-deaths by now 100+....

Weather Watcher https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM751TSgWNU  or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM751TSgWNU ;

Extraordinary Floods Strike Spain • A Brief Discussion


DJ, However part of the problem was warnings came too late...Another problem may have been -since the 1957 flooding-a new riverbed was created south of Valencia...but the city also expanded that way...

The amount of rain also was-in some areas-more then what they get in one year...So metereologists could not believe their forecasts...-too extreme to be real...
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https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/5962307 or https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/5962307 The Chinese island of Taiwan ;
TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Transportation services including Taiwan Railways Corporation (TRC) and Taiwan High-Speed Rail (THSR) trains, and Metro systems have reduced or suspended their services on Thursday (Oct. 31) due to Typhoon Kong-rey.
and https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/5961520 or https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/5961520 ;

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Typhoon Kong-rey's radius has surpassed 300 km and forecasts suggest it could be the largest to impact Taiwan in nearly 30 years.

The Central Weather Administration (CWA) on Wednesday (Oct. 30) upgraded Kong-rey to a strong typhoon and said its radius has reached 320 km, per CNA. The last time a strong typhoon with a storm radius exceeding 300 kilometers made landfall was Typhoon Herb in 1996, said CWA meteorologist Chang Chun-yao (張£堯).

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https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=7 or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=7 DJ, 50% chance of a new named storm within a week in the Caribbean...models remain very unclear...also on possible trajectories...It may "stay nothing" or turn into a cat.5...in a few days...highly unpredictable...

DJ, In "the news" relating extreme weather with climate collapse is "not very popular"; denial is NOT solving anything... 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Spain_floods or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Spain_floods now over 215 deaths....Part of the problem also was timing...in the night lots of people could not be warned...

The rain fall was "beyond the scale of thinkable"....Over 1 year of rain in some plces in 4 hours....See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_floods_in_Europe  or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_floods_in_Europe In 2021 in NW Europe 243 people died in extreme rain floods-in several countries...

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=7 or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=7 has two systems likely to become named storms in the Atlantic...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Storm_names or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Storm_names "Patty" and "Rafael" may show up soon..

Remnants of it may be part of "bad weather" in Europe...
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https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/090812.shtml?cone#contents or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/090812.shtml?cone#contents 

SUBTROPICAL STORM PATTY

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtropical_cyclone or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtropical_cyclone ; subtropical cyclone is a weather system that has some characteristics of both tropical and extratropical cyclones.[1]As early as the 1950s, meteorologists were uncertain whether they should be characterized as tropical or extratropical cyclones. They were officially recognized and titled by the National Hurricane Center in 1972. Beginning in 2002, subtropical cyclones began receiving names from the official tropical cyclone lists in the north Atlantic basin. Subtropical cyclones are also recognized in the south-west Indian Ocean and south Atlantic basins.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Season_effects or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Season_effects ;
On October 30, a storm-force non-tropical low located about 550 mi (890 km) west of the western Azores began producing showers and thunderstorms near its center.[288] Two days later, it began producing convection near the center.[289] Early on the next day on 9:00 UTC the system developed into a Subtropical Storm and was named Patty.
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"Patty" or the remnants of it moving towards Spain/France...however-for now- both rain and wind seem to decrease before reaching NW Spain...

DJ-Unpredictable/surprising extreme weather events will result in more deaths...
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DJ, my latest post was deleted as "spam"....
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In the hope this "forum" does not delete it...

-"Rafael" is expected to form within 48 hours (80%)-may reach the US gulf coast between Texas and Florida...Could in one model still get to cat 3...however will be weaker before reaching the US coast...

-Still four names left; Sara, Tony, Valerie and William remain for this year/Atlantic

-Countries translating Valencia extreme rain to their areas...How to get extreme rain/flooding in areas where they do less damage...In NL (rail)roads may be in the way-so "pipes"/tunnels may be of use to get water to low lying land where it does less damage...

-Climate collapse disasters interact with the land...Mountains can create flashflooding/landslides...a river may transport flooding to areas that did not see any rain...

-"Patty" now above the Azores-may bring rain/wind to NW Spain later on...

-We did see storms/extreme weather in the past-climate collapse however is worsening them...

-Resque has to set priorities...This may mean aid first going to places where they can save many lives-even if people are dying in other areas...harder to reach...
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https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/025953.shtml?cone#contents or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/025953.shtml?cone#contents has formed. Will be named "Rafael" https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/18L_intensity_latest.png or https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/18L_intensity_latest.png has now two models for a cat 3/3+...https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/18L_gefs_latest.png or https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/18L_gefs_latest.png indicating "in between Texas and Florida" next weekend-and by then a storm...
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.PATTY TRANSITIONS TO A TROPICAL STORM... ...EXPECTED TO BECOME POST-TROPICAL IN A DAY OR SO...
DJ, may reach-now-Portugal on tuesday in most models-then a "depression" still able to bring rain also to Spain...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Spain_floods or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Spain_floods ;
On 25 October 2024, AEMET meteorologist Juan Jesús González Alemán warned that the upcoming cold drop could become a high impact storm. This was initially ridiculed and the report accused of " alarmism " on the social media platform X by climate change denialists .
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Valencia lies flat around a riverbed on an alluvial plain , which places it at high risk of flooding. When heavy rains coincide with a convective storm during which the sea level tends to rise, the flow is especially disturbed and flood risk is doubled. The areas where it rained the most have not been flooded, but those whose geography is more predisposed to accumulate water, like the peripheral municipalities, but not the city center, where the old riverbed was made into a park, the Turia Garden in 1986. [ 9 ]

The second morphological feature are the mountains of the Tertiary period . [ 10 ] : 2  Blocked from the continent by the cliffs, the clouds rapidly precipitate. [ 10 ] : 4–5  The town Oliva south of Valencia for example has experienced 20 intense floods after 1972. [ 10 ] : 3 

The third factor is the intense urbanization of the coastal area. Impervious surfaces (such as roads and buildings [ 10 ] : 5  ) prevent water from penetrating the ground. [ 10 ] : 12  Water pools on level land, [ 10 ] : 17  and is further retained by the metre-high beach ridge . [ 10 ] : 11  When runoff is prevented and water gathers, flash flooding results. [ 10 ] : 15  Rising sea levels will further increase the drainage time to days or even weeks. [ 10 ] :21 

From 1997-2007 there was intense construction activity, which proved non-sustainable. citation needed ] The unusually high temperature of the seawater after the 2024 summer facilitated the generation of clouds of great vertical travel.


DJ, So the interaction with land made it into this major disaster...maybe up to 1,000+ deaths ? 

Starting on 29 October 2024, a cold drop brought drastic flash flooding to southern and south-eastern Spain, primarily in the Valencia region. [ 11 ] At 06:42, the State Meteorological Agency (AEMET) issued an orange weather warning for the south of Valencia. Less than 20 minutes later, the port of Valencia announced it would be shutting down. [ 12 ] At 07:36, the AEMET issued a red weather warning for the Valencian interior and upgraded its previous warning to the highest level. By this time, the Plana d'Utiel was already receiving heavy rain. [ 12 ] By 10:30, emergency services were rescuing people from their vehicles in Ribera .

DJ, October 29 was a tuesday/workingday...in some news the earliest reports of flooding showed up at 5 A.M. So early morning...but NOT in the middle of the night...

According to AEMET chief climatologist José Ángel Núñez, most deaths occurred in localities with no rain.

Another factor may be living in basements-because it can be cooler in summer. But the worst place to be in flooding...Early morning rush hour did catch cars on the road and in tunnels...

DJ-my view; climate change deniers do not want to hear warnings for extreme weather...May have been a factor in making communication/warnings harder. 

Earlier warnings/better communication may have saved some lives-but the extreme amount of rain simply does not fit in "the models" lots of (very good) metereologists use...

https://www.gld.nl/nieuws/2431626/het-was-echt-42-9-graden-in-deelen-maar-het-is-te-bizar-voor-woorden or https://www.gld.nl/nieuws/2431626/het-was-echt-42-9-graden-in-deelen-maar-het-is-te-bizar-voor-woorden ; July 25-2019 had 42,9C record high temperatures in NL...too extreme to be real...so NOT accepted...The same sensors had record minimum temperatures/same spot of 26+  that was accepted...

"Thinking the unthinkable may save lives"....IF calculations give extreme results for weather...it may be real and urgent ! Even if it turns out not to be that bad later on...

We need better communications on WHY there may be weather warnings...

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https://english.elpais.com/spain/2024-11-04/severe-weather-wreaks-havoc-in-barcelona-flights-canceled-and-trains-suspended.html or https://english.elpais.com/spain/2024-11-04/severe-weather-wreaks-havoc-in-barcelona-flights-canceled-and-trains-suspended.html ;

The same storm system that caused deadly flash flooding in Spain’s Valencia region has now gripped parts of Catalonia

The same storm system that caused deadly flash flooding in Spain’s Valencia region hit the province of Barcelona on Monday. Heavy rain and strong winds affected the province of Tarragona overnight, and by Monday morning, the storm had moved northward, bringing severe conditions to the coastal areas of the city of Barcelona. The Catalan regional government issued alerts to residents in Barcelonès, Garraf, Maresme, and the two Vallès regions, advising them to limit movement to essential travel only.

Spain’s Civil Protection unit released a statement urging parents not to pick up their children from school, stressing that “schools are a safe place.” The statement underscores the importance of minimizing mobility. The AP-7 freeway is currently closed near Tarragona, highways leading into southern Barcelona are flooded, and the national rail operator Renfe has suspended train services across Catalonia.


DJ, My view/understanding; There were in-time warnings for extreme weather in/near Valencia. Somehow that communication failed to reach the public or was ignored.

There are also stories of dry riverbeds used to park cars...A concrete "thing" in a riverbed blocking water...So-YES-several (local)  governments may not have done such a good job...Driving a car in flooded areas is high risk...

More bad weather may be on its way to Spain. Both from another low in the Mediterranean and former "Patty" moving in via Portugal from the Atlantic...
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"Rafael" https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/18L_gefs_latest.png or https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/18L_gefs_latest.png again more narrow-still in between Texas and Florida-this weekend...

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/18L_intensity_latest.png or https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/18L_intensity_latest.png Cat.1...maybe Cat-2 but will be a storm by landfall...

Like with "Helena" it may be the speed of the storm moving inland that could do a lot of damage...The faster it goes the higher the risks...but still days away...and also some uncertainty...So maybe "Rafael" may NOT become a problem...
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https://www.fastcompany.com/91219487/the-disturbing-link-between-climate-change-and-authoritarianism or https://www.fastcompany.com/91219487/the-disturbing-link-between-climate-change-and-authoritarianism ;
Political scientists have theorized that, in the face of physical, economic, and social vulnerability, voters seek safety in the form of leaders who promise to take decisive action to deliver relief. One study of elections in India found that voters punish incumbents when it floods—unless the incumbents respond vigorously to the disaster.

DJ, bad leaders create crises...still get a lot of votes. Climate-denial is popular-"there is no problem"...even I would love to believe that...Only it does NOT solve real problems...

Climate (pandemics is related to climate collapse) needs a GLOBAL answer...It may be one of the "motors" behind BRICS+....Countries kept poor by the west did see a lot more climate problems-NOT being solved by that "west"...A.o. China and India did see lots of flooding AND drought...
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https://english.elpais.com/technology/2024-11-09/why-is-ai-unable-to-predict-disasters-like-spains-flash-flooding-in-time.html or https://english.elpais.com/technology/2024-11-09/why-is-ai-unable-to-predict-disasters-like-spains-flash-flooding-in-time.html ;

The technology’s ability to forecast floods is limited by the poor quality of data and the irregular behavior of weather events such as a DANA


Artificial intelligence (AI) is already capable of identifying tumors from thousands of images, performing precise surgical operations, discovering new antibiotics and proteins, analyzing market trends, and optimizing industrial processes, among numerous other applications. Yet, when it comes to adverse phenomena like floods — the most destructive natural disasters after earthquakes and tsunamis — its technological prowess falls short.

Over the past two decades, floods have impacted 2.5 billion people, claimed the lives of a quarter of a million individuals, and caused an estimated $936 billion in damages, according to the International Disaster Database (EM-DAT) from the Catholic University of Louvain in Brussels. Despite the focus of technological giants and global institutions, developments to predict and mitigate floods remain ineffective. Why is that the case?

“Existing climate models aren’t very good for certain extreme weather events, Heatwaves in Europe are, for example, increasing much faster in the real world compared to what the models tell us should happen,” Dim Coumou, a climate expert at the University of Amsterdam, told Horizon magazine. “It’s important to forecast extremes so we can have early warnings.”


DJ, You can not combine IPCC-politics of denial with reality...So if real temperature may be 2C+ one should expect 15% more rain...but the IPCC"story" is 1,4C+...so not that much rain...

-"Rafael" https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/023635.shtml?cone#contents or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/023635.shtml?cone#contents did NOT go for the US...is getting weaker high speed-may reach the south of Mexico later in the coming week...Even with the best data/models weather/climate is very complex...

More rain in Spain, snow in Saudi Arabia !!!, "wildfires" in the US...

https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2024/11/sea-ice-alert.html or https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2024/11/sea-ice-alert.html ;
The image shows Arctic sea ice extent from October 14 to November 11, a period during which Arctic sea ice extent growth was slow in 2016, 2019 and 2020. The red line shows 2024 extent through November 5, 2024, when growth in Arctic sea ice extent was slow too, which is worrying, since El Niño conditions were prominent in 2016 and 2019, whereas La Niña conditions were prominent in October 2024 through November 5, 2024. Higher than usual temperatures during El Niño years typically slow down Arctic sea ice extent growth at this time of year. It is worrying for slow growth to occur during La Niña conditions in 2024.
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Global sea ice typically reaches its annual maximum extent around this time of year, as Arctic sea ice expands in extent. On November 3, 2024, global sea ice extent was 23.15 million km², a record low for the time of year and well below the 2023 extent at this time of year. 
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More than 1.5°C above 1903-1924 for 16 consecutive months

The image below, created with NASA data through October 2024 while using a 1903-1924 custom base, illustrates that the monthly temperature anomaly has been more than 1.5°C above this base for 16 consecutive months. The red line shows a trend (2-year Lowess Smoothing) associated with recent data and the trend indicates that the anomaly is rising.  
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Note that the above temperature anomalies are not calculated from pre-industrial, in this case they are calculated from 1903-1924. When using a pre-industrial base, the anomalies will be higher.

DJ Ice is keeping this planet at a certain temperature...decrease of ice is increase of warming...Is that a problem ? 
If you do not need food, do not care about floods, drought, wild fires...NO...no problem...this planet may be better of without humans...
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