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Haiti 23 people have died and 80 hospitalized, the resurgence of the cholera epidemic

DJ, The Haiti cholara outbreak was linked to the 2010 Haïti earthquake (killing up to 250,000-300,000 people) and Nepalese UN peacekeepers recieving cholera infected mail from Nepal in Haïti...The following out break killed over 9,000 Haitians and several hundreds in the Dominican Republic (in Haïti modern form of slavery-foreign workers). 

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JUST IN: Mexico reports its 1st human case of H5N1 bird flu A 3-year-old girl from Durango in serious condition

DJ, In 2024 Mexico did see one person die from H5N2...there must be lots of "mild" cases of H5N1 in Mexico linked to Mexican farm workers exploited in the US, Texas cattle exported to Mexico and raw milk consumption...

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CDC division responsible for asthma control and lead poisoning prevention effectively eliminated

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Kennedy’s team asked the FDA for data on deaths caused by the measles vaccine. Public health vandalism.
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https://www.drugtopics.com/view/bird-flu-hospitalizes-2-more-patients-as-outbreaks-increase or https://www.drugtopics.com/view/bird-flu-hospitalizes-2-more-patients-as-outbreaks-increase ;
Two more US patients have been hospitalized with bird flu complications as cases continue to rise slowly among humans but much more quickly among animals, according to The Guardian.1

DJ, So far the US "only admitted" 70 human cases of human H5N1. Most of them "mild". The real number of US cases of H5N1 runs in the hundreds-very likely by now 1,000+...

Wild birds, wild animals, further spreading H5N1/other types of flu...CoViD out of control...So H5N1/CoViD, measles now are global problems...

India also recently admitted a human case of H5N1...did NOT mention lots of other cases...

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/german-scientists-develop-new-ai-based-mutation-detection-system-to-monitor-novel-covid-19-and-influenza-strains or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/german-scientists-develop-new-ai-based-mutation-detection-system-to-monitor-novel-covid-19-and-influenza-strains 

DJ, The problem is NOT there are no tests...the problem is NOT using them...

We are in a multi disease pandemic (CoViD, H5N1, Mpox, measles, TB..) and on our way to a massive killer "disease X"...but "politics" priority is war...
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-Measles-only seen in humans- growing problem however so far in clusters (around elementary schools/in unvaccinated often children. In part imported)  NOT nation wide in most countries...
-CoViD -widespread in lots of creatures/animals...maybe by now MOST cases no longer in humans...Lots of new variants...biggest problem is CoViD being ignored...
-Mpox seems to hae a low R0 outside Africa...groups at risk are limited. In part gay men...but others also run risk when they get in contact with infected surfaces...The news is "under control" NOT the disease !

TB(c) cases show up a "bit more often" in the news...Like other diseases lots of cases missed/ignored or not reported...

H5N1 now also human cases in Mexico, India...linked to (wild/farm) birds...Very likely lots more human cases of H5N1 are ignored...

H5N1 is also widespread in lots of other species all over the globe (maybe Australia/New Zealand do not see H5N1 but have "their own" H7-flu types). 

A major risk is H5N1 mixing with other types of flu. https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/eid-journal-influenza-ah1n1pdm09-virus.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/eid-journal-influenza-ah1n1pdm09-virus.html ;While 99% of wild-type seasonal flu viruses remain susceptible to Oseltamivir/Baloxavir, we follow reports of resistant strains with considerable interest.

DJ, the/a mix of diseases could undermine the defenses we have. From "natural-immunity" against measles no longer effective to H5N1 re-infecting US chicken....

We have to go for the RIGHT priorities; climate, health...NOT war !  We are moving high speed in the wrong direction !
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DJ, background factors like wars, economy, climate are major factors in (the ability of) dealing with pandemics.  They all need even more attention now the world economy is shifting towards (Eur)Asia...Climate problems worsen (flooding in a.o. US, Greek Islands, drought a growing problem in NL).

https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/j-virology-synergistic-effects-of-pa.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/04/j-virology-synergistic-effects-of-pa.html ;

J. Virology: Synergistic Effects of PA (S184N) & PB2 (E627K) Mutations on the Increased Pathogenicity of H3N2 Canine Influenza Virus Infections in Mice and Dogs


The revelation - just over a year ago - that goats and dairy cattle were susceptible to HPAI H5 infection wasn't the first such `Aha!' moment with unexpected influenza hosts.  A little over 20 years ago, most researchers believed cats and dogs weren't susceptible to influenza A viruses. 

That is, until spillovers occurred in both species (equine H3N8 in dogs and avian H5N1 in cats) in 2003-2004 (see A Dog & Cat Flu Review).  A few years later (2007), an Avian H3N2 virus spilled over into dogs in Korea, and has since spread globally, arriving in the United States in 2015.

In 2017 the CDC added Canine H3N2 to their IRAT List of zoonotic influenza viruses with pandemic potential, albeit with relatively low (3.7)

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Chinese scientists over the past decade have visibly increased their scrutiny of novel H3 viruses, as they are commonly observed in wild birds and poultry, and are increasingly spilling over into mammals (see EID Journal: Evolution of Avian Influenza Virus (H3) with Spillover into Humans, China).

All of which brings us to a new study from researchers at the Guangdong Provincial Pet Engineering Technology Research Center, which used serial passaging experiments (in murine lungs), to generate a more pathogenic and mammalian adapted virus
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In April of 2020,  China's MOA reclassified dogs as `companion animals' rather than `livestock', although it is estimated that somewhere between 10 and 20 million dogs are farmed/abducted in China each year for fur and/or meat. 

But even in countries where such practices uncommon, animal shelters have proven excellent venues for extended chains of infection (e.g. Canine parvovirus, feline panleukopenia, canine and feline viral respiratory pathogens, etc. )

The avian H7N2 outbreak in cats across several NYC animals shelters over Christmas of 2016 spread to hundreds of felines, and spilled over into several workers (see J Infect Dis: Serological Evidence Of H7N2 Infection Among Animal Shelter Workers, NYC 2016).

Admittedly, the emergence of a human-adapted H3N2 virus is probably a long-shot. But the more opportunities we give it, the greater the chances of it eventually getting lucky. 

And since it isn't just canine H3N2 - but rather a large (and growing) array of novel flu viruses all with varying degrees of zoonotic potential (e.g. H5N1, H5N5, H5N6, H9N2, H10Nx, etc.) -  the smart money is on preparing now for what could be a very bumpy road ahead.   

DJ, In East Asia eating dogs, or keeping dogs for furs WAS widespread...but even there most dogs now are kept as companion...

The way some pet owners deal with their pet-as if it was a child or partner-is a major (social) health risk...

Lots of diseases in pets not only (H5N1 etc) flu may spread into humans...CoViD very likely jumped between cats and humans in some cases-resulting in more mutations/variants...

Not only do pandemics like CoViD and flu continue via pets. It can also increase the risk of new diseases spreading among humans...Cats/dogs (etc) get in contact with lots of "things" humans stay away from...

Better monitoring of those risks is an URGENT need !
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