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⚠️ BREAKING: President Trump withdraws the United States from the World Health Organization.

DJ, underlining insanity is the basis for present pandemics...The US has a H5N1 problem bigger then any other country...So getting out of global cooperation and returning to "do not test do not tell" will hurt the US...

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⚠️ BREAKING: Severe H1N1 Outbreak Overwhelms Hospitals in China 🇨🇳 Experts Warn Virus May Target Facial Nerves, Causing Paralysis. The A (H1N1) influenza virus is rapidly spreading in China, with many infected individuals developing facial paralysis, raising growing concerns.

DJ, Lots of countries see high numbers of both flu and CoViD. If possible it would be welcome if China could provide more info...(but they may be investigating !)...Is H5N1 mixed in with the (claimed) H1N1 flu-type now (supposed to be) active in China ? 

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⚠️ BREAKING: U.S. 🇺🇸 reports 3.829 million new COVID-19 cases in a single week, with 547,000 daily infections. Currently, 1 in every 87 Americans is infected with COVID-19. Transmission rates are now higher than at any point during 46.7% of the pandemic.
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Monthly Forecast: Average percentage of the population infectious: 1.0% (1 in 102) Average new daily infections: 466,700 New infections during the next month: 14,001,000 Resulting monthly long COVID cases: 700,000 to 2,800,000

DJ, Some of the "sources" of info on China are anti CPC activists/CIA...disinformation. US CoViD numbers come from https://pmc19.com/data/ or https://pmc19.com/data/ 
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The U.S. just gave up its seat at the table in the middle of a fight where lives are on the line.

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Strategic partnerships forged by is key to combat various diseases and conditions including future pandemics. I urge to reconsider this EO https://whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/withdrawing-the-united-states-from-the-worldhealth-organization/

DJ (E.O.= Executive Order=presidential decission)...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s44358-024-00008-7 or https://www.nature.com/articles/s44358-024-00008-7 ;
The highly pathogenic avian influenza H5N1 is an emerging and unexpected threat to many wild animal species, which has implications for ecological processes, ecosystem services and conservation of threatened species. International collaboration and information-sharing is essential for surveillance, early diagnosis and the provision of financial and technical instruments to enable worldwide actions.

and https://news.sky.com/story/new-case-of-mpox-detected-in-england-13293030 or https://news.sky.com/story/new-case-of-mpox-detected-in-england-13293030 ;It is the sixth case of the variant confirmed in England since October 2024 but officials say the latest infection has no links to the previous cases and the risk to the UK population "remains low".

DJ, Lots of diseases spreading in lots of hosts need a global answer...
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JUST IN: According to the Washington Post, the Trump administration has instructed federal health agencies to halt all external communications, including health advisories, scientific reports, and updates on websites and social media.

DJ, so a return to "do not test-do not tell" insanity...As a reminder both H5N1 and CoViD are GLOBAL problems...widespread in many species-so both diseases have tens-of-billions of hosts...Co-spread of CoViD, flu is ongoing with H5N1 very likely already "mixed in" with other types of (human) flu...

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UK: Soaring sickness bill is leaving experts baffled "The spiralling incapacity and disability benefits bill – which already eclipses the entire defence Budget – has been fuelled by a surge in ill-health since the pandemic" Utterly baffling.

link; https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/21/sickness-benefits-bill-rocketing-poor-health/ or https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/21/sickness-benefits-bill-rocketing-poor-health/ 

DJ-So far most of the "media" did show to be part of the problem...Going for "post pandemic lies"  while CoViD is still ongoing...Even "experts" claiming CoViD is "endemic but mild" ignoring those health insurence costs, excess deaths...

https://kevinmd.com/2025/01/swedens-controversial-covid-19-strategy-lessons-from-higher-mortality-rates.html or https://kevinmd.com/2025/01/swedens-controversial-covid-19-strategy-lessons-from-higher-mortality-rates.html ;

There was some controversy about the lowest “excess deaths” recorded in Sweden during 2020–2022, indicating a lower excess mortality due to COVID-19. This is controversial, and the estimation of the excess deaths compared to the prior years is a very indirect measure of actual COVID-19 mortality and can be affected by various confounding factors. Because of the variable approach adopted by different countries to document COVID-19 deaths, especially at the beginning of the pandemic with a lack of proper testing, excess deaths during the pandemic period are an inexact measure of actual COVID-19 deaths.

Total COVID-19 deaths per million population (2020–2024)

One of the troublesome consequences of Sweden’s approach was that 40 percent of all COVID-19 cases were recorded in older individuals aged more than 70 years. Most of the deceased lived in long-term care facilities. COVID-19 death rates were also higher among the poorer population.

A national COVID-19 commission was established early in the pandemic by the Swedish government to examine how Sweden handled the pandemic. They submitted their final report in 2022. According to the commission, the larger number of deaths in the older population was probably due to increased community transmission facilitated by the lack of rigorous community isolation protocols early in the pandemic.


DJ, Non Pharma Intervention may be hard to put in statistics...Individuals may decide themselves to expose less...at other times...Masks/eye protection, ventilation, work/study from home are doable for most of us...
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Dangerous drug-resistant bacteria are spreading in Ukraine

DJ, The UK-gov propaganda outlet may offer some reality for a change ? 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20k5wrgz13o or https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20k5wrgz13o ;

When Pte Oleksander Bezverkhny was evacuated to the Feofaniya Hospital in Kyiv, few believed he would live. The 27-year-old had a severe abdominal injury and shrapnel had ripped through his buttocks. Both his legs were amputated.

Then, doctors discovered that his infections were resistant to commonly-used antibiotics – and the already daunting task of saving his life became almost hopeless.

Antimicrobial resistance (AMR) is when bacteria evolve and learn how to defend themselves against antibiotics and other medicines, rendering them ineffective.

Ukraine is far from the only country affected by this issue: around 1.4 million people globally died of a AMR infection in 2021, and in the UK there were 66,730 serious antibiotic-resistant infections in 2023. However, war appears to have accelerated the spread of multi-resistant pathogens in Ukraine.

Clinics treating war injuries have registered a sharp increase of AMR cases. More than 80% of all patients admitted to Feofaniya Hospital have infections caused by microbes which are resistant to antibiotics, according to deputy chief physician Dr Andriy Strokan.

Ironically, antimicrobial-resistant infections often originate from medical facilities.


So, the bbc-very eager to promote war-now realizes wars kill...It will not stop the bbc from doing its job for the war industry...

DJ-Wars and pandemics-in history-are a bad combination. The Spanish Flu/World War One mix may have killed up to a 100 million people between 1917 and 1923...5% of the -1918- global population...The Black Death-also mixed with wars in the 14th century and later on-was an even more succesfull killer...In some regions no one survived...

Still wars make money...those that have a lot of money want more...so war is the means to get rich fast...Also solves overpopulation so-more room for the rich...

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/national-international-government-ngo-preparation-response/cdc-guidance-on-monkeypox/1005373-mpox-in-the-united-states-and-around-the-world-current-situation-january-16-2025 or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/national-international-government-ngo-preparation-response/cdc-guidance-on-monkeypox/1005373-mpox-in-the-united-states-and-around-the-world-current-situation-january-16-2025 Mpox is one of many diseases using the decrease of immunity after CoViD for more spread !
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I'm simultaneously astonished that Trump has switched off the release of *all* federal health data in America just like that, and also vindicated, because this is what I've been saying they wanted to do since 2020. This is a hideous new dark age.
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So they'll hide data & then blame the countries that do provide data. For example, if/when H5N1 results in a pandemic, they're going to blame China or whichever country reports H2H transmission first, regardless of the fact that it spread because the US didn't contain it.
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Covid, Mpox, West Nile, TB, Flu... you won't know until it's too late, and there's absolutely no way you can trust anyone trump puts in charge to keep you safe.
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If bird flu goes human to human in America next week there will be no way to find out until it's too late. America is in a new dark age that will lead to disease and disaster.

DJ, Bad news, denialism, "don't look up" insanity is getting both donors and votes...
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INFLUENZA IS A DEVASTATING INFECTION. Seasonal Flu only appears ‘mild’ because we are mostly immune to it. All bets are off with a new ANTIGENIC SHIFT VIRUS to which we have no immunity. A Flu PANDEMIC will be much worse than COVID. We are edging closer with H5N1.👇👇 https://x.com/richardhirschs1/status/1858804105088823553?s=46&t=uaJSLN2Za3FO9oidZL6Z8A https://ynetnews.com/health_science/article/rjhykufl1g
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“We need to change how and what we are doing. Everything from diagnostics, vaccines, antivirals and therapeutics should be revisited, especially in light of #H5N1 ” Emma Wheatley We have better tools today than when they identified influenza in 1933. We need to use them.
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Today, I will speak to the Board in Houston TX Re: The troubling rise in antisemitism converging with both online and in-person attacks on Jewish scientists in America, trying to blame us for COVID origins, profiting from vaccines, or use of Nazi imagery and Holocaust denialism like these Swastikas mailed to my home X2

DJ, Anti-science and hate do mix...Blaming Muslims & Migrants is "supported by a lot of voters"...

Again-the "motor" behind pandemics/climate collapse is stupidity..."Donors" finance "stupidity" to get even more rich...

There are historians who claim the (West) Roman Empire (at least in part) ended because of pandemics...The worst pandemics in human history may not be that well remembered...because hardly anyone survived...

Like climate collapse, NOT stopping pandemics-by NOT using the tools available-may end up in genocide...And maybe that could be the goal of a rich elite ?
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DJ, As discussed in general discussion; part of the trump-voters are "new Christians" on a highway to the middle/dark ages...So; do not test-do not tell, "it is all the will of a god" etc. is in the way of even limiting pandemics/climate collapse...
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The unfolding trump/orthodox "christian"disaster;

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No study section...no grant reviews No grant reviews...no grants awarded No grants awarded...no research No research...no functional NIH And if your salary was funded by NIH, no paycheck either if this lasts indefinitely
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NIH appears to have canceled/postponed all of its study sections—the independent review panels that approve federal grants for health research. Such grants fund the work/salaries of 300k people at more than 2,500 institutions
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Trump blocks NIH review. I’m on a study section to review cancer grants but received this email today: NIH has paused all communication, as directed by the new administration (e.g. https://cnn.com/2025/01/21/health/hhs-cdc-fda-trump-pause-communication/index.html ), and that apparently includes a pause for all study section meetings

DJ, For those "christian criminals"...If you outsource your thinking to your "leader" in contact with both a god and your money it may be your bad choice...

If you want to believe "health" is "gods work"-fine ! Do not get vaccinated-go to your gatherings and get infected ! 

From a pandemic view the large group of anti-science idiots, supporting frauds like trump, wilders, le pen etc. may learn the hard way WHY we need public health-tax funded...

The sad part is that their total stupidity may bring the world into a level of disease that may be hard to imagine...

In early 2019 CoViD going on a world tour later on that year was "low risk"...Mpox going wild, H5N1...other diseases "low risk"....

DJ, Even the very best experts did get it wrong quite often (and should admit that !)-but at least they tried ! 

Religious fanatics dealing with highly infectious diseases by prayer pulls us back to the dark ages...A conclusion may have to be to fight pandemics/climate collapse we may need to fight "religious anti-science"....
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As always doing a very good job; https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/01/nature-reviews-threat-of-avian.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2025/01/nature-reviews-threat-of-avian.html;

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While the threat of HPAI H5N1 in livestock - and sporadic spillovers into humans - have garnered most of our bird flu attentions this past year, there has been a massive, and underappreciated, impact on both avian and mammalian wildlife around the globe. 

Numbers are impossible to quantify, but hundreds of millions of wild birds have died, and hundreds of thousands - perhaps millions - of wild mammals have succumbed to the virus. 

A few past blogs on this carnage include:

Travel Med. & Inf. Dis.: Pacific and Atlantic Sea Lion Mortality Caused by HPAI A(H5N1) in South America

EID Journal: Recent Changes in Patterns of Mammal Infection with Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza A(H5N1) Virus Worldwide

EID Journal: Mass Mortality of Sea Lions Caused by HPAI A(H5N1) Virus (Peru)

We've seen other avian flu viruses infect and kill marine mammals on a much smaller scale - including H3N8 in New England (2011), H10N8 in Germany (2014), and H5N8 in the Baltic Sea (2017) - but in early 2024 we saw a Research letter in the EID Journal  stating `. . . it seems likely that pinniped-to-pinniped transmission played a role in the spread of the mammal-adapted HPAI H5N1 viruses in the region.'

Simply put, the impact of HPAI H5Nx viruses is far greater than it was just 4 or 5 years ago, and is very likely to continue to evolve over time. While human infections remain thankfully rare, every spillover into a mammal provides the virus with another opportunity better adapt to human physiology.

But even if that never happens, the impact on our shared ecosystem - and the loss of hundreds of millions of birds and hundreds of thousands of mammals - is enormous and growing.

Last year we followed attempts to protect the endangered California Condor from HPAI H5N1, after more than 20 deaths were reported in the wild (see USFWS Update: 21 Condor Deaths Attributed To HPAI H5).  As scavenger birds, Condors feed almost exclusively on carrion, which increasingly runs the risk of being infected with HPAI H5 (see USDA Mammalian HPAI Infection List).

While the knock-on effects of HPAI's damage to wild birds and mammals are difficult to predict, it isn't hard to imagine what the loss of a half billion birds might have on the mosquito population in some regions - or the loss of scavenger birds on the efficient cleanup of carrion - both of which could adversely affect human health.

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As many wild animal populations are already under strain from habitat loss, climate change and other global change drivers, previously neglected threats such as some emerging infectious diseases can rapidly decimate wildlife populations1. One such emerging disease in wildlife is the highly pathogenic avian influenza caused by the A H5N1 virus.

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An estimated half a billion domestic fowl have died of H5N1 (ref. 4), and this number is rising; mortality in wildlife is more difficult to quantify than in poultry, but the effects are substantial. By mid-2024, H5N1 infections were documented in at least 406 bird and 51 mammal wild species (according to reports on the World Animal Health Information System (WAHIS)), and available reports suggest that multiple millions of wild animal individuals may have died (Fig. 1a).
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Eighteen months ago, in Avian Flu's New Normal: When the Extraordinary Becomes Ordinary, I wrote about the numbing effect that comes with the constant barrage of HPAI H5 reports from around the world.  

Events that were nearly unthinkable two or three years ago (e.g. Repeated trans-Atlantic introduction of avian flu from Europe, the spread of HPAI H5 across the length of South Americanumerous spillovers of H5 into mammalian species, and the arrival of HPAI H5 to Antarctica) have now become `the new normal'.

Admittedly, for many it is easier to turn a blind eye to what is happening, as long at it doesn't affect them directly. But $10 for a dozen eggs may not be the worst fallout we'll see from this virus, 

We underestimate HPAI's threat at our own, considerable, peril.  

DJ, Birds eat insects...so with possibly BILLIONS !!! of birds gone (dead birds do not get young birds...) insects will increase...

H5N1 in poultry/cattle is already a food risk...

Tens of billions of hosts, both human and other animals, mean lots of room for all kinds of diseases to go wild...We may be just at the start !

We need to INCREASE !!!! monitoring, testing, sequencing...trump defunds science...CRAZY!!!!
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Nothing is preventing reporting/sharing of data from hospitals, labs, farms, universities, Dr office. Is there an independent system that can be used to share data? Creation of a global system to share data can strengthen overall pandemic preparedness & response & be an early warning system for outbreaks.
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I will continue to provide real time updates from the hospital & other resources here in Ohio. SARS-CoV-2 numbers here reflect the Midwest & because this virus spreads so rapidly what's happening here is a good indicator of the current or soon to be situation across the US. x.com/BNOFeed/status…
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Wastewater data isn’t federal, right? That should be available from blue states at least, I hope 😬
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They should be available. Though, some CDC contracts may have put limitations on data providers, restricting how, when, and to whom data can be shared before CDC review. Some is changing, important to check w/ data generators to see if there are restrictions in CDC contract.
DJ, To develop a strategy to fight disease on a global level needs a lot of coordination...

My hope is BRICS+ may pick up parts of that job...The US bad example may be followed by other idiot-"leaders" in the west...
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