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Dutch Josh 2
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Experts Warn Rising Bird Flu Cases in Humans Could Trigger Next Pandemic, with Potential Origin in the US
Experts in Spain have warned that the next pandemic could originate in the United States. DJ...the country testing & reporting may be "blamed"....And the US does have a problem. But it is very likely Latin American farm workers-returning from the US may have been infected. Exported US cattle, raw milk, poultry was infected... < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> Fran Franco, head of microbiology at Juan Ramon Jimenez University Hospital, said, "If something happens in the US, it will be known instantly."
Experts in Spain are confident that the global surveillance system would detect human infections of H5N1 avian flu. - < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> They said the lessons learned from the COVID pandemic have strengthened all systems. "We are much better off than in 2020," they stated.
At last week's briefing, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus noted the "concerning spread" of H5N1 in the US. DJ...again-my non expert view; H5N1 is just one of the problems. Spread via migratory birds means it may be hard to detect... https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00558-4 or https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00558-4 ; The influenza virus might have started in fish. Researchers trawling genetic databases have discovered a distant relative of influenza viruses — which are responsible for seasonal flu, not to mention the avian flu roiling the globe — in sturgeon1. DJ, cattle, poultry, pigs may catch (a form of) flu...The A-H5N1 going global in (sea)mammals could affect the "flu-system" (with A, B, C and D types of flu...). During the "Spanish Flu" (1917-1923) global population was under 2 billion-transport was slow...In 2025 we have close to 8,2 billion people...hundreds of billions of mammals...and CoVid still out of control...
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DJ, "pet-spread"...cats, dogs, may eat infected bird(droppings) or be in contact with other sources of infection...
https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/cats/h5n1-testing-in-dogs-and-cats-who-when-why-how/ or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/cats/h5n1-testing-in-dogs-and-cats-who-when-why-how/ ; As H5N1 avian influenza continues to spillover into domestic animals and people, the question of when to test animals (especially cats) keeps coming up. Testing isn’t just a matter of swabbing a bunch of animals and sending the samples to the lab (which unfortunately is not uncommonly done, and it often leads to problems). There are lots of things to consider before we start testing, which I’ll bin into 4 major questions: what is the goal, who will be tested, what test will be used, and what will be done with the results? 1. Specifically are we testing:
These goals can overlap, but they are not the same 2. In the case of H5N1 testing in companion animals, do we test all cats and dogs? All the cats? All cats and dogs with certain signs of illness? All cats and dogs with certain risk factors? Any pet that looks abnormal? What we learn will vary a lot based on who we test. It will also impact efficiency and costs. More testing can provide more information but also costs more (time and money). For rare diseases (and I still consider spillovers of H5N1 influenza into pets to be rare overall at this point), you can do a lot of testing and get no positive results. That’s still informative in some ways, but broad testing can be pretty low yield in this type of scenario. 3.For H5N1 influenza, PCR is our standard go-to test for a number of reasons, but there are also some “rapid” point-of-care tests that get talked up periodically (more on that below). Different tests perform differently, so we need to pick the right test for the right population based on the goal of the testing. 4.What will be done with the test results? This is the biggest question.
Too often, people do a test, and only think about what to do after they get the result. That can be problematic. What will we do with pets that test positive for H5N1 influenza? Will we euthanize positive pets? I hope not, but it’s a knee jerk response we handle sometimes. - What I would like to see/do in terms of H5N1 influenza testing in pets Surveillance testing
Clinical testing This is a tougher call. Most often, H5N1 flu testing would not impact patient care. It could help inform us about risk to the clinic or household, so it’s good information to have, but we can’t dismiss risk based on a negative test, so it doesn’t have a huge impact on what we do regardless. The less surveillance testing there is, the more valuable opportunistic clinical test is for quasi-surveillance purposes, but that’s usually going to be at the owner’s cost. Spending a couple of hundred dollars to test a severely ill animal with little expectation that the test will change the response or the outcome is hard to justify. If money is tight, I’d rather have owners spend that on treatment. Some people will pay for the testing because they want to know, or because they are worried about exposure of family members, but relying on owners to cover testing isn’t a great approach. It’s still worth discussing in any case since there can be some limited benefits. What about rapid in-clinic tests for H5N1 influenza in pets? It’s been suggested that veterinarians should start stocking rapid in-clinic H5N1 tests and use them liberally when presented with sick dogs and cats. I’m a bit wary of this because we don’t know how good those tests are. If we test a lot of low-risk animals and the test isn’t 100% specific, most of our positives are likely to be false positives. That’s alright if we’re just using it as a screening test and we follow-up with a proper test ASAP, but sometimes people rely too much on the screening test, and that can lead to over-reactions and other problems. On the other hand, if the test isn’t very sensitive, we run a good chance of missing the small number of true positives. If the test is no better than a coin toss, it won’t help. Collecting good samples can be a challenge (especially trying to swab cats) so that drops the functional sensitivity of any test (i.e. we get more false negatives because of poor samples. To be useful, we would need:
But we’re not necessarily there yet. I’d consider rapid testing appealing, but probably not ready for prime time. DJ, In a serious pandemic testing capacity is overstretched and (some) humans are prioritized (above other humans). A possible infected pet may be kept isolated and cared for by the owner. Hopefully wearing a mask, eye protection... But-in a serious pandemic-lots of pet owners may die. There could be too many pets to handdle and they may need a lot of care, be high risk. So very likely-in a worser case scenario-quite a lot of pets (even healthy ones) may NOT survive-simply because of lack of care capacity...
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6269246/ or https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6269246/ ;
How influenza A viruses host-jump from animal reservoir species to humans, which can initiate global pandemics, is a central question in pathogen evolution. The zoonotic and spatial origins of the influenza virus associated with the “Spanish flu” pandemic of 1918 have been debated for decades. Outbreaks of respiratory disease in US swine occurred concurrently with disease in humans, raising the possibility that the 1918 virus originated in pigs. Swine also were proposed as “mixing vessel” intermediary hosts between birds and humans during the 1957 Asian and 1968 Hong Kong pandemics. Swine have presented an attractive explanation for how avian viruses overcome the substantial evolutionary barriers presented by different cellular environments in humans and birds. However, key assumptions underpinning the swine mixing-vessel model of pandemic emergence have been challenged in light of new evidence. Increased surveillance in swine has revealed that human-to-swine transmission actually occurs far more frequently than the reverse, and there is no empirical evidence that swine played a role in the emergence of human influenza in 1918, 1957, or 1968. DJ, The H1N1 "Spanish Flu" may have spread from humans into pigs...not the other way round. H1N1 may have been limited most to human hosts...Surviving the infection could result in chronic disease but also would provide H1N1 immunity... The 2024 story is much more complex-with H5N1 in lots of (hundreds of) species...Even if the spread in humans would remain limited and mild-it may decrease food (meat, dairy, eggs) production... And-again-H5N1 is only one of many healthissues in a world with 4x to 5x the population it had in 1918... ----- The Spanish Flu had World War One as a background. Military did infect eachother in their barracks, hospitals, trenches...Population in Europe, Asia (etc) was in a bad shape... Very likely lots of colonies did see a very high number of people die...but there was not much civil administration or care... In 2024/2025 "war" is a political priority. Ignoring both climate collapse-increasing pandemic risks and the ongoing pandemics...(HIV-AIDS, CoViD). "Panic control" - if you can not control a disaster get control over the news dealing with the disaster... Information is a basic tool essential in ALL disaster scenario's...And recent past indicate the information tool is not well managed... Masks, eye protection, avoiding crowds/isolation, work/study from home if possible...These steps can be taken NOW ! Christmas/New Year-but also the biden/trump "switch" make a pandemic strategy harder... Do flu, CoViD-vaccines offer some protection against H5N1 ? It could explain why the US now is in a H5N1-crisis...low vaccination rate...In most other countries public healthcare providing vaccines (tax-paid) to higher risk groups...Also in general sick-leave rules see one still gets 70% to 100% of the income when ill... Workers spreading disease to co-workers was seen during CoViD...It was/is avoidable by better social laws. Schools could offer on-line learning more...as part of a pandemic containment strategy... DJ..."learning the hard way" -can't fix stupid...Vaccines to deal with H5N1 may take months...By the time they get available the health crisis may have changed... Enough !
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< aria-label="Grok s" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> BREAKING:
CDC confirms the first severe human case of H5N1 bird flu in the U.S.
The case is a patient from Louisian who had contact with infected birds. - < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> Medical sources told News 15 that the patient is over age 65 and hospitalized in critical condition in the Lake Charles area. DJ, "underlying healthissues"? (Could be serious healthissues...sometimes " underlying health" may mean a little overweight...https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/louisiana/1002460-louisiana-human-h5n1-cases-2024 or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/louisiana/1002460-louisiana-human-h5n1-cases-2024 ; Updated 4:26 PM CST, December 18, 2024 ... A person in Louisiana is hospitalized in critical condition with severe respiratory symptoms caused by a bird flu infection, state health officials said. The person, who is over 65 and has underlying medical problems, had been in contact with sick and dead birds in a backyard flock. ... The Louisiana illness comes weeks after Canadian officials reported that a teen in British Columbia was hospitalized with a severe case of bird flu. In both instances, the illnesses were caused by a strain of the virus found in wild birds, not in cattle, officials said. On a call with reporters, CDC officials did not answer a question about whether the new U.S. case and the Canada case had any similarities or differences. ... Flu experts said the trajectory of the virus in people remains unclear, but they urged people who have contact with sick or dead birds to take precautions, including wearing respiratory and eye protection and gloves when handling poultry. ... https://apnews.com/article/bird-flu-severe-louisiana-2b4a5f55a05cf8be9b169c15e8b9582d < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> Dozens of rare animals including tigers, lions and cheetahs are dying as bird flu infiltrates zoos, with potentially “grave implications” for endangered species, researchers have warned, according to the Guardian. - < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> BREAKING:
Los Angeles County confirmed two cats infected with H5N1 bird flu, with three more cats suspected of being infected.
The confirmed cases drank raw milk that had been recalled, while the new suspected cases are being investigated for eating raw meat. - The infected cats died after severe worsening of their illness. Symptoms included lack of appetite, fever and neurologic signs.
Additional pets in the home are under quarantine. DJ, Cat issues could show up in humans (?) < aria-label="Grok s" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> There may not be word from #CDC till tomorrow about whether it could confirm the infection of the Wisconsin poultry farm worker who tested positive for #H5N1 #birdflu. In the meantime, WI officials revealed the woman had sore throat, slight fever, some fatigue, some eye discharge. She's improving. - < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> NEW YORK DECLARES FLU PREVALENT STATEWIDE—MASKS REQUIRED FOR UNVACCINATED HEALTH WORKERS IN CERTAIN SETTINGS https://health.ny.gov/press/releases/2024/2024-12-18_flu.htm or https://health.ny.gov/press/releases/2024/2024-12-18_flu.htm https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/emerging-data-shows-that-united-states-is-facing-a-phenomenal-covid-19-surge-with-almost-750000-daily-infections or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/emerging-data-shows-that-united-states-is-facing-a-phenomenal-covid-19-surge-with-almost-750000-daily-infections https://pmc19.com/data/ or https://pmc19.com/data/ (TMN has more links) Flu-Rona on the rise in the US ? DJ
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https://nltimes.nl/2024/12/17/dutch-healthcare-system-expected-face-shortage-266000-workers-2035 or https://nltimes.nl/2024/12/17/dutch-healthcare-system-expected-face-shortage-266000-workers-2035 ;
The shortage of healthcare workers in the Netherlands is set to grow at an alarming rate in the coming years, with projections indicating a deficit of 266,000 workers by 2035. The largest shortages are expected in nursing and care homes, with the most significant gaps in staffing found among healthcare assistants, caregivers with vocational training, nurses with MBO (secondary vocational education) and HBO (higher professional education) degrees, and social service workers with HBO qualifications. DJ, the present neo-fascist "pvvd" "goverment" is trying to kick out M&M's Muslims and Migrants...CoViD numbers in NL remain low, flu is on the rise... The "neo-liberal idea" is to go for maximum profits in any-created-crisis...So the present western "politicians-for-sale" do care about profits...do not care about people... Genocide by pandemic seems to be a strategy... Mpox is on the rise, with more variants/clades just a matter of time...CoViD in several places around the globe in a new wave...H5N1 "welcomed" to mix with other types of flu-co-spread with other diseases... Putting billions of public-tax money to "private pockets" for Big Pharma solutions... DJ-Non sterilizing vaccines could limit loss of lives from CoViD-however can not get us out of the CoViD pandemic. Vaccines are -at best- part of a strategy-these vaccines can NOT solve the problem... H5N1 is now spread by wild, migratory, birds in a high risk virus form. North America now has two severe cases, Canada-teen, US 65+ both fighting for their lives... "Case-case-cluster-cluster-boom"scenario...with lots of info "kept private"... DJ-Again, flu can be part of "a new pandemic"; CoViD damaging immunity means lots of diseases may show up (in lots of species...resulting in new diseases for some species...). Again, corona-virus is NOT new. It was almost 80 years "old/recognized" when CoViD started. In farm animals CoViD only was controlled by killing all the farm animals... "Living with the virus" -just like "living with climate collapse" is insane...A bit like keeping a metro-system running in a flooded city... In history the "Spanish Flu" may be even seen as a "mild pandemic"...Black Death, Roman Plagues killing sometimes over 50% of a population...If "a new pandemic" would kill 5% of the present global human population of 8,2 billion it would kill 160 million people... That may be an optimistic scenario...result in other "feed backs" depending on who is getting killed. Health Care Workers (HCW) and teachers, police high risk...In the Spanish Flu young people with strong immune response died because of immunity overreaction and bacterial co-infections... "Political criminals" claiming "pandemics kill the old and weak" do not know history (or basic human values...). Underlining psychopaths running politics may be the real problem...
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< aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> CALIFORNIA REPORTS 2 NEW HUMAN CASES OF H5N1 https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/991361-us-humans-with-full-or-partial-test-positive-h5n1-results-list-cdc-states-seropositive-assay-positive?view=stream or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states/h5n1-tracking-af/991361-us-humans-with-full-or-partial-test-positive-h5n1-results-list-cdc-states-seropositive-assay-positive?view=stream ; Post 1 updated with 2 new California cases. - Our list in CDC format: Arizona = 2, poultry contact link California = 34, dairy cattle (33), unknown source (1) link Colorado + Michigan = 20, cattle & poultry contacts (These states must be combined b/c the CDC did not give a state breakdown of the 8 sero+ cases). CDC does not include the sero+ cases in their case count. link link link Delaware = 1, unknown source, not confirmed by CDC link Louisiana = 1, contact with sick & dead birds link Missouri - 2, unknown source - CDC only counts 1 of these cases link Oregon - 1, poultry link Texas - 3, all cattle, CDC only counts 1 of these cases. 2 other cases are cited in a research paper. It is possible one of the cases in the paper is the same case acknowledged by the CDC. Without a real CDC line list it is impossible to know with certainty. link link Washington - 14, all poultry contact, apparently some samples reached the CDC degraded so they count only 11. link Total = 78 - < aria-label="Grok s" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> H5N1 has killed 14.5 million birds in just 30 days.
It’s only one mutation away from spreading between humans—just one.
Imagine the nightmare if that happens. DJ, most major risk is in H5N1 mixing with other types of flu/co-spreading with CoViD, Mpox... < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> DJ..not yet included in a list ?
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Envidreamz @envidreamz · - < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> RAPID SPREAD OF H5N1 IN CALIFORNIA DAIRY HERDS RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT UNKNOWN TRANSMISSION PATHWAYS.
EXPERTS DOUBT USDA’S THEORY EXPLAINS THE FULL STORY. DJ, Aerosol spread of H5N1-spreading from mammal-to-mammal in California ? < aria-label="Grok s" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> IOWA DETECTS ITS FIRST HUMAN CASE OF H5N1 BIRD FLU
SOURCE: IOWA HHS DEPARTMENT DJ, Is H5N1 still a most US story ? (Linked to litter food, thanksgiving, other specific US things ?). < aria-label="Grok s" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> BREAKING:
U.S. Sees Record 750,000 Daily COVID-19 Infections and 5.236 Million New Cases in One Week Amid 10th Wave Surge
Currently, 1 in every 64 Americans is infected with COVID-19, and an estimated 5 million new infections are expected this week. DJ, In other places CoViD-vaccine levels may be higher...Also farm workers may be in a better legal position. Risks taken more serious...(Here in NL a vet died from H7N7 when dealing with that type of flu on a farm several years ago...). DJ-Very likely CoViD undermines immunity to such a level H5N1, Mpox etc. did get more room. More study would be very welcome... Do CoViD/Flu vaccines decrease H5N1 risks in humans ? To what level ?
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DJ-Just some links-to much stories...DRC-Congo flu linked ?
< aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> MYSTERY DISEASE
DEADLY OUTBREAK IN CONGO LINKED TO INFLUENZA
28% FLU POSITIVITY IN SAMPLES
SOURCE: XINHUA FRENCH https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/ukhsa-warns-that-flu-and-covid-19-infections-rapidly-rising-at-rates-never-seen-in-past-three-winters-in-britain or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/ukhsa-warns-that-flu-and-covid-19-infections-rapidly-rising-at-rates-never-seen-in-past-three-winters-in-britain https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/influenza-surge-in-japan-threatens-schools-and-healthcare-system-while-covid-19-cases-are-also-rising-nationwide or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/influenza-surge-in-japan-threatens-schools-and-healthcare-system-while-covid-19-cases-are-also-rising-nationwide < aria-label="Grok s" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> In Duitsland in één dag 59 Covid-19 doden. En dit zijn alleen de officiële cijfers.
Bij hoeveel mensen die overleden zijn door Covid-19 staat er op de overlijdensakte hartinfarct, beroerte etc. < aria-expanded="true" aria-label="Hide translated post" role="" ="-1jxf684 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3 r-n6v787 r-1cwl3u0 r-1loqt21 r-fdjqy7" ="" style="text-align: left; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; color: rgb29, 155, 240; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: inline; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: 16px; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; white-space: inherit; overflow-wrap: break-word; cursor: pointer; min-width: 0px; text-overflow: unset;">Translated from Dutch by In Germany, 59 Covid-19 deaths in one day. And these are only the official numbers.
How many people who died from Covid-19 suffered a heart attack, stroke, etc. on their death certificate? DJ, a main reason-very likely-why some regions are NOT sinking into problems could be lack of testing...Waiting to go for help because of christmas etc. DJ-I did expect early 2024 would see a very major CoViD-wave...it did however not happen-even with sewage-CoViD-virus-values high in december 2023...
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< aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> We are in deep trouble. Even if it stays primarily in animals, we are way behind the eight ball. Beef, pork, poultry, and eggs comprise 52% of calories in the American diet. If you don't think starvation could happen here, think again. link https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/bird-flu-spread-cattle-poultry-pandemic-cdc/ or https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/bird-flu-spread-cattle-poultry-pandemic-cdc/ DJ, Increase of meat consumption is more "mouths to feed"..as long as it is not "litter" a part of food for animals may be of use for human consumption.. < aria-label="Grok s" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> I've just spent a while on other forums reading up on what's happening on small homesteads & backyard poultry farms. It's not good. The level of knowledge about #H5N1 on the part of these small farmers is very limited. That's to be expected. It's a brand new situation.
What is unexpected is the level of knowledge demonstrated by the local and even state authorities. The level of risk is being severely downplayed, even as these people loose their entire flocks. These backyard poultry infections are almost certainly D1.1, yet authorities are reassuring the owners that infections in humans are "mild."
I'll try to summarize some of this tomorrow but it's not encouraging. Louisiana can do everyone a very large favor by releasing as much information as possible about this case and share the reality of what can happen with this virus. https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/la-county-animal-health-alert-h5-bird.html or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/12/la-county-animal-health-alert-h5-bird.html ;On Thursday, in L.A. County Confirms H5 In Two Cats - Investigating 3 More Suspected Feline Cases, we learned of a second household where HPAI H5 was suspected in the infection, and deaths, of cats in Los Angeles.
- https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/cats/h5n1-flu-in-cats-in-california-an-update/ or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2024/12/articles/animals/cats/h5n1-flu-in-cats-in-california-an-update/ DJ, high risk forms of H5N1 already spreading-and getting better in spreading-in lots of mammals. How it spreads may be only explainable via aerosol/droplets..."airborne".. Masks/eye-protection does offer protection...CoViD damage increases risks.. It is WRONG to believe a flu-pandemic/flu-rona will come/start in/from the US...It may come as a surprise from another location.. Testing, limiting risks, now are essential ! There is still a decreasing chance we will NOT see a high risk flu pandemic. Flu-vaccines may do "more then expected"... However luck may be running out.. < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> BREAKING:
California health officials have monitored about 5,000 people and tested 130 who had potential symptoms of H5N1 bird flu, according to Erica Pan, state epidemiologist. .
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DJ, A wise person claimed "You can not fix stupid"...
< aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> In spite of their milk being recalled after H5N1 bird flu was detected, Raw Farm's aren't letting up on their belief in raw milk, which increased sales to $30 million.
With RFK Jr.’s nomination, they’re hoping to sell a lot more, according to Forbes. DJ, So we have to survive "stupidism" -since we can not avoid stupid... https://x.com/outbreakupdates/status/1870731391761355150 or https://x.com/outbreakupdates/status/1870731391761355150 ; < aria-label="Grok s" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> H5N1 is a warning sign
Our systems are broken.
We can’t keep treating industrial farming like a machine that runs without consequences.
1/ < aria-label="Grok s" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> This virus thrives in the conditions we’ve created to feed billions.
But these same systems could spark a global food collapse.
Industrial farming is a necessity.
With nearly 8 billion people on Earth, we need efficient systems to produce food at scale.
Poultry and livestock farms are a cornerstone of global nutrition, especially in regions where affordable protein is scarce. DJ, 25 twitter-postings but the basic is H5N1 is an outcome of "how we organize things". This time of year has not much active news sources in "normal times". So if there is a lot of "news" in this time it may be indicating a "level of alarm"...
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