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DJ-Do we live in a 2D-world without history...only "here and now"-kind of stupidity ?
or; https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/other-scientific-studies-including-seasonal-novel-flu/h5n1-research-studies-papers-academia/994311-nejm-d%C3%A9j%C3%A0-vu-all-over-again-%E2%80%94-refusing-to-learn-the-lessons-of-covid-19 ; NEJM . Déjà Vu All Over Again — Refusing to Learn the Lessons of Covid-19Authors: Michael S. Sinha, M.D., J.D., M.P.H. , Wendy E. Parmet, J.D., and Gregg S. Gonsalves, Ph.D. The spread of H5N1 avian influenza among cattle and other farm animals as well as to agricultural workers in the United States has raised concerns about the potential for an influenza pandemic. Although the threat of pandemic H5N1 doesn’t appear to be imminent — this variant has yet to show the potential to be transmitted from human to human — the federal government’s initial response suggests that, rather than heeding the lessons from Covid-19, elected officials and other key decision makers may be relying on a dangerous type of revisionism that could lead to more deaths, should H5N1 cause a pandemic. DJ...like with climate collapse; blame games, denial, "it is only mild"...."do not test=no cases".... CoViD became a pandemic because "politics" failed ! Even AFTER !!! the Wuhan lockdown governments wanted the WHO to act-so they could blame the WHO... In 2003 SARS-1 was controlled..CoViD-19/SARS-2 did get all the room to spread "because stopping air travel would cost billions"... A realistic number of CoViD deaths since 2019 may be in between 32 and 40 million ! CoViD is now also widespread in lots of non-human hosts ! -Mpox is "spread by men having sex with other men"-blame homosexuals ! In Africa lots of children died from Mpox-because it might be even airborne (some variants !) -measles-blame the unvaccinated... -H5N1 is "a problem in illegal US farm workers"-"not even speaking Spanish".... Divide and rule is NOT the way to solve ANY problem !
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Posted: 26 Jul 2024 at 11:38pm |
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(DJ-I have to watch my anger....)
The prospect of an H5N1 pandemic has been a source of concern ever since the virus was isolated from humans in Hong Kong in 1997. In response, the U.S. government began developing pandemic-preparedness plans. A series of reports from the Institute of Medicine (now the National Academy of Medicine) and the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine has emphasized the need for the stockpiling of personal protective equipment, resilient supply chains, and greater coordination between agencies and various levels of government.1 Yet despite these plans and warnings, and despite being ranked the most prepared among 195 countries to handle a pandemic on the Global Health Security Index in 2019, when Covid-19 arrived, the United States fared terribly by most measures.2 During the pandemic, well-described weaknesses in the U.S. public health response were often masked by overconfidence, as some elected officials and political appointees continually reassured Americans that the country had “the tools” to respond adequately to this new threat. The types of testing and surveillance problems that marred the response to Covid-19 are now being repeated with H5N1, with recent genetic analyses suggesting that the virus circulated undetected in cattle for months.3 Because of inadequate testing, the actual number of cases among dairy and other agricultural workers is also unknown. As with meatpacking facilities in the early months of the Covid-19 pandemic, the reluctance of dairy-farm employers to cooperate with health officials has hampered widespread testing and surveillance. Why ???? The profits are NOT worth millions of deaths ??? Or is there an evil plan ? "Genocide by pandemics"???? It is a GOVERNMENTS JOB to make laws ! If need be to enforce testing of milk, cows...offer tests to farmworkers-no test=no job ! Do we realy need another massive spread of a disease-than "vaccines"-with billions of tax payer money going to "big pharma share holders/donors" ?
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Posted: 26 Jul 2024 at 11:50pm |
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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2406427?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3ulkHLUXZhGv4X0qOCiv2yEgCbEwREwyHxcjwBpfAM4d_5qljCvrOqBUA_aem_FwDhtEmr0mfL6H4ngVYJ-g
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2406427?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3ulkHLUXZhGv4X0qOCiv2yEgCbEwREwyHxcjwBpfAM4d_5qljCvrOqBUA_aem_FwDhtEmr0mfL6H4ngVYJ-g DJ-Very good article-however a basic question remains. Why ? Pandemics are NOT new ! Infectious diseases are mixed with human history...so WHY do politics fail to deal with CoViD, Mpox, H5N1 (etc) ? One may see some similarity with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_HIV/AIDS or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_HIV/AIDS ....
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Posted: 02 Aug 2024 at 8:42pm |
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https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/monkeypox/994708-uganda-records-2-imported-mpox-cases or
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/monkeypox/994708-uganda-records-2-imported-mpox-cases; In 2017 and again in 2018 the WHO released a short list of priority diseases (see WHO List Of Blueprint Priority Diseases) - that due to their potential to cause a public health emergency - was felt there was an urgent need for accelerated research and development for:
An update was expected in 2020, but a SARS-COV-2 pandemic took center stage. DJ, So a corona-virus WAS a possible risk in 2018 ?
Additions include 7 different influenza A subtypes (H1, H3, H3, H5, H6, H7, and H10), and 5 bacterial strains that cause cholera, plague, dysentery, diarrhea and pneumonia (see yesterday's report on Hypervirulent Klebsiella pneumoniae (hvKp) ST23). - One of the reasons why this blog focuses on such a wide range of pathogens is because the next pandemic could come from out of left field, from a virus, bacteria, or fungus that isn't high on our list.
I've only had a brief time to scan this report, but it appears well worth downloading and spending time reviewing. DJ-link https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/consultation-rdb/prioritization-pathogens-v6final.pdf?sfvrsn=c98effa7_7&download=true or https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/consultation-rdb/prioritization-pathogens-v6final.pdf?sfvrsn=c98effa7_7&download=true (38 pages) DJ-If SARS-2 was one of the 10 possible risks in 2018-why than in 2019 SARS-2/CoViD-19 could start a "world tour" ? H5N1, Mpox are NOT under control...There seems to be a very large gap between "theoretical risks" and action... Maybe there are very major limits to "pandemic planning"-economy may be the major one...However if "the economy" needs climate collapse and pandemics "to function" we need to rethink "economy"!
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Posted: 04 Aug 2024 at 11:40pm |
 < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;">   Thailand using drones gather DNA fragments in air from wildlife
*rapid disease screening
*then remote lab sequencing
they can collect whatever virus animals shedding into air, any disease that could jump from bats to pigs and chickens to humans
- < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> In Cambodia, scientists are pioneering a groundbreaking method to detect zoonotic diseases using drones.
By collecting bat DNA from the air, they aim to prevent the next epidemic and protect both animals and humans.
link https://www.fao.org/newsroom/story/pulling-lifesaving-data-out-of-thin-air-literally/en or https://www.fao.org/newsroom/story/pulling-lifesaving-data-out-of-thin-air-literally/en -  < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> Developing new tools and thinking outside the box for early warning, surveillance, and response. Everyone doing amazing work featured in article by . #science #pandemic #OneHealth link https://www.science.org/content/article/armed-air-samplers-rope-tricks-and-yes-ants-virus-hunters-spot-threats-new-ways#.Y7YW1HPUdDk.twitter or https://www.science.org/content/article/armed-air-samplers-rope-tricks-and-yes-ants-virus-hunters-spot-threats-new-ways#.Y7YW1HPUdDk.twitter DJ, There may be techniques used for food-quality control that also may play a role in limiting disease spread. Step one is detecting the disease...you have to start somewhere...  < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> Minnesota health officials investigating after five children fall ill from raw milk DJ...YES raw milk may have diseases-a.o. H5N1...children may have limited immunity... A lot of facts are known but ignored...One can have the best science/data...but if it is not used it may be pointless....The Paris-olympics a.o. is turning into a mass spread event for CoViD....but "no masks allowed"....
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Posted: 05 Aug 2024 at 11:24pm |
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DJ, I am NOT any kind of expert. A limited history background and I followed "pandemic/climate news" for decades...(but that is NOT the same as university educated experts !) .
Eric Topol @EricTopol · The new significant wave. It's hard to believe the we're well into our 5th year of this virus and not taking the requisite steps to gain control.
Including updates on the new boosters and #LongCovid.
In Ground Truths (link found in my profile) CoViD is underming immunity. Not only in humans but also in other mammals. The increase of H5N1-first in birds then in mammals- may be related to CoViD in birds/mammals ? Before CoViD H5N1 in wild birds was seasonal and linked to migrating birds... Less immunity means more diseases get better chances for spread. On top of that global warming is increasing insect spread diseases like malaria, dengue... Most "old" pandemic strategies had the idea of "fighting one disease-often a type of flu"..A very welcome extra was the "One Health" idea-what happens in animals may reach us (and the other way round). CoViD may-after 5 years going global- result in lots of diseases getting out of control. mpox, H5 types of flu, may only be the start... Dealing with this exponential worsening global healthcollapse HAS to be global top-priority...but it is not... like climate collapse also pandemics can end humans...going for global war may speed up "ending humans".... So-if "we" do NOT want to end humans we have to find ways to end pandemics... -------- In "war scenario's" those responsible for wars hide in bunkers-getting most other people killed...There may be "an idea" that "if you are rich" you can buy yourself safety for climate/pandemic collapse... That "ídea" is false... looking at major healthcrises in humans past did see from time to time pandemics killing over 50% of a certain population. Since travel was limited often those "pandemics" did not go global... European diseases may have killed 90-95% of the "Indians" since 1492... Corona-viral diseases in animals are well known-only controlled by killing all the animals on the farm. Some bats are known to carry over 30 types of corona-viruses... So getting CoViD under control being hard should not be a surprise... There are estimates over half of all humans may have had at least once a CoViD infection...Between 32 and 40 million people may have died from it...less then 0,5% of the global population... H1N1-Spanish Flu may have killed up to 5% (100 million people) between 1917 and 1923. The "Black death" did result in 100% of some populations dying...Hardly doing much damage in other areas in the 14th century Europe... In 2024 life expectency in some countries is over twice the 35-40 years it was-in general- before 1900...Basic healthcare, housing, safe water/food can "pump up" life expectency to 60-80+...Limiting pregnancies=limiting children dying before they reach 10 year... High child deaths is one of the reasons why life expectency was that low before 1900. Often mothers dying during pregnancies... We managed to overcome child/pregnancy deaths...better hygiene, women getting pregnant later (in general 18+...during the early 19th century working class women hardly did get 18...). So we can find a way out of the global unfolding healthcrisis...However the crisis may be MUCH MUCH worse then any "pandemic strategy" so far did think it would be... A first step has to be information, education, communication... A second step could be global masks/eye-protection in public spaces...low costs-may save many lives... Making profits out of any crisis only is making problems worse..."fighting obesity" for decades-as a commercial enterprise-resulted in obesity becoming a global problem. That "strategy" has been a disaster... So facing what is NOT working also may help...Smoking -trying to limit tabacco use-is a big ???? Greed driven strategies still find ways to get people smoking...But at least trying to sell cigarettes to parents to get young children smoking (Camel promoted cigarettes to 2-3 y/o in Indonesia some years ago...) is now seen as "unwelcome"...
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Posted: 07 Aug 2024 at 11:37pm |
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It is *completely wrong*.
Healthcare: First of all, do no harm.
There should be universal masking in healthcare until there is clean air everywhere. - Dr. Lucky Tran @luckytran · It's official: Mask ban in Nassau County, New York passes along party lines, 12-0 (7 abstentions). It makes wearing a mask a misdemeanor (with unclear health and religious exceptions) and gives police the power to fine people wearing a mask $1,000 and sentence them to jail time. - < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> This is absurd. Mask ban will endanger people’s health and lives DJ, Maybe "fashiondesigners" can integrate masks in clothing ? Another note-  < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;">  A note—Many say racist things to me—& some folks don’t like I share precautionary/doom-y COVID data. Some call me a CCP spy, pharma shill, attention seeking personal brand builder… But I’m none of those. Who I really am: DJ, Also indie_SAGE doing "the best possible job" in dealing with healthcare had members of "non-European background"...Xenophobia/racism is worsening pandemics ! Stupidity kills !
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Jennifer Nuzzo, DrPH @JenniferNuzzo · There are now multiple, concurrent public health crises: an international mpox emergency, unprecedented outbreaks of H5N1, the highest levels of Covid in a long time. Infectious diseases are the recurring hazards of our times. They require sustained commitment to preparedness. DJ, We are in a multi disease pandemic....Soon we will learn people catching one disease may already have another disease...Spread via mammals, birds etc. And still we are NOT stopping anything.... < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> 23 Mammal Species Infected in U.S. H5N1 Bird Flu Outbreak
The avian flu has infected 97 red foxes, 82 house mice, 43 skunks, 36 domestic cats, 22 mountain lions, 21 harbor seals, and 43 additional skunks. Still testing on US farms for H5N1 is on a voluntary basis...With the farmer ending up with very high costs/bankruptcy if there is H5N1 on the farm... In a lot of countries people on sickleave have no are very limited income...So they go to their job spreading disease... The reason behind sick leave insurance...in the 19th century !!!!!...was to limit disease and "save the economy"....Still in 2024 we live in the age of stupid ! A 2D world "here and now"...unable to learn even fom yesterdays mistakes...repeating them over and over... Stupidity kills !
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DJ, Since we are NOT stopping any disease we soon will end up in a multi-disease pandemic...
"Saving the economy" destroyed that economy...with that also public healthcare... Both pandemics and climate collapse may result in a crisis we did not see in centuries... Government have to fall back to "war plan" strategies. One main goal will be control of the news... However you can not hide reality for ever...So what could become a working strategy ? -Better vaccines may be on their way...but for the short term only limited... -Masks/eye protection DOES WORK ! Ventilation lowers viral loads...Easy, cheap, fast...some countries may still go for Non Pharma Interventions...For most western countries you would need a major PR campain to "sell" that idea and vaccines... Lots of people may see disease and deaths around them-may be very happy to see ways to protect themselves... However the above may be a bit optimistic; still a government and basic economy ongoing... A worse scenario would see economic collapse...A government only in power in limited positions-going for "stratigic goods" like water supply, electricity, getting at least some food delivery going and limiting social collapse... Even worse would be major climate disasters destroying infra structure to undo even those basics...So NO power, NO water, NO food...just chaos... The scale of chaos could be "very widespread" with countries doing only somewhat better unable to provide much help... -------- Such disaster scenarios may look similar to post-nuclear war scenarios...DJ-"Islands of safety"-in part for a government elite but also as basis for recovery... The Spanish Flu may have killed 2 to 5% of the population between 1917 and 1923. Some estimates put India H1N1-"Spanish" flu deaths at 20 million... The Black Death did kill as good as 100% of the population in the 14th century in Europe/Asia...however some other regions were not toutched... Climate disasters-on top of pandemics-complicate matters...So can humans survive the upcoming climate/pandemic disasters ? It may be a hard job...but maybe some of us will survive... -One strategy is "duck and cover" -enough stocks in a safe place to survive in an isolated position. Isolation, staying undetected as part of the plan... -Another strategy may see cooperation, planning, even self sacrifice, to get children in a post apocalyptic future...
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DJ-I can buy a DIY-test that tests for CoViD, RSV and Flu at a farmacy for 6 Euro's...If you would go for multi-disease testing-including tests for Mpox-costs for such tests would be even lower... The "west" should be able to make that kind of tests themselves-not import them from China...That only would need an active government doing its job ! Promoting masks/eyeprotection and ventilation of public spaces has to be another step. DJ-The main reason why "we" are not learning ANYTHING even from recent history is "someone is making money" from crises...So why solve/prevent crises.... Profits above human lives may be best shown/most clear in wars...getting a few people very rich. But also pandemics-with "vaccines" as the ONLY answer...Not enough profit in masks ? Another important tool is providing good info; "We are tired of pandemics...bad for advertising..."...Okay...see what that will bring you ! Maybe invest in land that can be used for mass graves ? |
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