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Topic: CoViD in the 1980's ????
Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Subject: CoViD in the 1980's ????
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2024 at 11:30pm
https://www.ncf-net.org/what-is-cfids - https://www.ncf-net.org/what-is-cfids   or https://www.ncf-net.org/what-is-cfids ;

Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction (CFIDS) is also known as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) and Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (ME).

CFIDS is a disabling condition often affecting the central nervous system, brain, blood, muscles, joints, GI tract and lymph system. Symptoms include disabling fatigue which is not significantly helped by rest, orthostatic intolerance (inability to stand for periods of time), muscle weakness and pain, joint pain, sleep disturbances and un-refreshing sleep, cognitive problems including memory loss and difficulty concentrating, gastro-intestinal problems, headache, fevers and swollen lymph nodes.

The goal of the National CFIDS Foundation is to fund science to prove the cause along with a treatment or cure. A portion of all membership dues goes toward this along with all donations with no percentage held back. Although we feel we are close, we will continue to follow up on any leads until our goal is fully met.

Important research has already been funded by our all volunteer charity that found a slow decimation of a part of the immune system called Stat-1 which can only be caused by a limited number of viruses and bacteria. Our funding also found the reason why patients had dramatically adverse effects from anesthesia and how to prevent that as well as scientific proof that CFIDS/ME is an autoimmune disease. Our work will continue until the cause has been proven. At that time, we will, gratefully, be able to "go out of existence."

What's in a Name?

The illness currently called Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction (CFIDS) or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) is poorly defined, misunderstood, and controversial while remaining under-funded and under-researched. 

The names CFIDS and CFS trivialize the illness and subject patients to incredulity and ridicule. The CFS label not only fails to help those with ME, it harms them because treatments considered effective for CFS can make ME patients worse. Simply “renaming” CFS will not solve this problem.

Read and sign the  https://ncf-net.org/petition.htm - petition  we co-sponsor to try to have the United States government recognize the name and case definition of the internationally recognized neurological disease, Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (ME).*

DJ, Lots of infectious diseases may see long term health issues...Long CoViD has immunity issues/damage...but it is NOT NEW !!!



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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2024 at 11:36pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myalgic_encephalomyelitis/chronic_fatigue_syndrome - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myalgic_encephalomyelitis/chronic_fatigue_syndrome or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myalgic_encephalomyelitis/chronic_fatigue_syndrome ;

Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) is a disabling  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_condition - chronic illness . People with ME/CFS experience profound  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue - fatigue  that does not go away with rest, sleep issues, and problems with memory or concentration. Further common symptoms include  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dizziness - dizziness ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nausea - nausea  and pain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myalgic_encephalomyelitis/chronic_fatigue_syndrome#cite_note-CDCsym2024-3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myalgic_encephalomyelitis/chronic_fatigue_syndrome#cite_note-IQWiG-2023-10 - The cause of the disease is unknown. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myalgic_encephalomyelitis/chronic_fatigue_syndrome#cite_note-CDC_Clinical2024-11 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myalgic_encephalomyelitis/chronic_fatigue_syndrome#cite_note-Bateman-2021-12 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myalgic_encephalomyelitis/chronic_fatigue_syndrome#cite_note-Dibble_McGrath_Ponting_2020_p.-13 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myalgic_encephalomyelitis/chronic_fatigue_syndrome#cite_note-pmid38443223-14 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myalgic_encephalomyelitis/chronic_fatigue_syndrome#cite_note-pmid37226227-7 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myalgic_encephalomyelitis/chronic_fatigue_syndrome - Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome  (ME/CFS) has a long history with an evolution in medical understanding, diagnoses and social perceptions.

In the early 19th century, the diagnosis of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurasthenia - neuresthenia  was popular, which had overlaps with current ME/CFS criteria. Various outbreaks of enigmatic disease occurred in the early 20th century, variably known as atypical poliomyelitishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akureyri_disease - Akureyri disease  or epidemic neuromyasthenia.

After an outbreak in the Royal Free Hospital in London, the disease became known as benign myalgic encephalomyelitis. Controversy erupted when psychiatrists who had not spoken to any of the patients called the outbreak a case of "mass hysteria". The first case definition of ME was published in 1986, and the first definition of CFS in 1988.

DJ, If "science" is unable to detect (any longer) a cause for disease-or clear "problems" they tend to go for claiming it is a mental issue...Untill also lots of medical workers catch it...


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2024 at 11:44pm
DJ-There have been "reports" of ME-CFS for over 200 years...describing symptoms but hardly any science involved...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#Case_definitions_%281986_onwards%29 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#Case_definitions_(1986_onwards) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#Case_definitions_(1986_onwards) ;

The illness gained national attention in the United States when the popular magazine Hippocrates ran a cover story of an epidemic at  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Tahoe - Lake Tahoe ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada - Nevada , in the mid-1980s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-OslersWeb-34 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-pmid2578266-35 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-pmid2578268-36 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-Hippocrates-37 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-isbn0-19-263049-0-38 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-isbn0801879426-39 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-Holmes1988-40 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-41 - In 1990, researchers presented evidence they found  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA - DNA  sequences very similar to the human  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTLV-II - HTLV-II retrovirus  in some CFS patients, at a conference in  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto,_Japan - Kyoto, Japan . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-DOI_10.1126-42 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-NYT-43 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-pmid_1672770-44 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-PTL-45 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-Retroviral-46 - In the United Kingdom, the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Medical_Officer - Chief Medical Officer   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Calman - Kenneth Calman  requested a report from the medical Royal Colleges in 1996. This led to the publication of a joint report in which the term "chronic fatigue syndrome" was found to be most representative. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-47 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-CMOrept2002-48 - The U.S.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_%26_Prevention - Centers for Disease Control & Prevention  (CDC) recognize CFS as a serious illness, and launched a campaign in June 2006 to raise public and medical awareness about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-CDCBasic-49 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ME/CFS#cite_note-CDC-awareness-50 -


Depression ON TOP of CFS-ME may be a normal reaction to a lack of (willingness to) understand/investigate...

Another aspect is "ununderstandable diseases" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_somatic_syndrome - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_somatic_syndrome   or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_somatic_syndrome do remind people/society of how vulnerable they are...


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2024 at 1:29am
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2023.1187163/full - https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2023.1187163/full   or https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2023.1187163/full 
Front. Med., 02 June 2023

ME/CFS and Long COVID share similar symptoms and biological abnormalities: road map to the literature
Some patients remain unwell for months after “recovering” from acute COVID-19. They develop persistent fatigue, cognitive problems, headaches, disrupted sleep, myalgias and arthralgias, post-exertional malaise, orthostatic intolerance and other symptoms that greatly interfere with their ability to function and that can leave some people housebound and disabled. 

The illness (Long COVID) is similar to myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) as well as to persisting illnesses that can follow a wide variety of other infectious agents and following major traumatic injury. Together, these illnesses are projected to cost the U.S. trillions of dollars. 

In this review, we first compare the symptoms of ME/CFS and Long COVID, noting the considerable similarities and the few differences. 

We then compare in extensive detail the underlying pathophysiology of these two conditions, focusing on abnormalities of the central and autonomic nervous system, lungs, heart, vasculature, immune system, gut microbiome, energy metabolism and redox balance. This comparison highlights how strong the evidence is for each abnormality, in each illness, and helps to set priorities for future investigation. 

The review provides a current road map to the extensive literature on the underlying biology of both illnesses.

DJ, Health stories SHOULD be about avoiding/limiting suffering...however in the present brutal reality "costs matter more than humans"...

In this review, we compare the symptoms of Long COVID and ME/CFS, noting considerable similarities and some differences. Early in the study of both illnesses, the lack of objective biomarkers led some to question whether the illnesses were “real”—whether people might be imagining or even fabricating their symptoms.

In this review we summarize the emerging evidence that, in fact, there are many underlying biological abnormalities reported in both illnesses, documented by multiple laboratories. Moreover, we show that the two illnesses share many of these underlying abnormalities, just as they share many symptoms. That is, both illnesses are “real,” and both share similar biological abnormalities.

Understanding the underlying biology of these illnesses is critically important, given the burden they are placing on all societies. The National Academy of Medicine and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimate that, in the U.S., ME/CFS affects up to 2.5 million people and generates direct and indirect expenses of approximately $17–24 billion annually ( https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2023.1187163/full#B1 - 1 ). It also has been reported in many countries around the world.

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Myalgic encephalomyelitis/CFS often, but not always, follows in the wake of an apparent “infectious-like” illness characterized by respiratory and gastrointestinal symptoms, fatigue, myalgias and other symptoms as well as fever and lymphadenopathy ( https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2023.1187163/full#B518 - 518 ). This “infectious-like” illness often is little different, initially, from the common, transient infectious illnesses that most people experience throughout life. It is not standard medical practice to test for the responsible infectious agent in people with common and transient infectious illnesses. Thus, typically no testing has been done to determine the cause of the initial “infectious-like” illness that then becomes a chronic illness in subsequent months and years.
DJ, ME-CFS (etc) does not go away...lots of people suffer from it for decades...From that perspective realism may give Long CoViD patients an idea of what to expect. 

"Graded excercise" etc. can help to "optimize capabilities"....full recovery however is not very likely. This realism may be hard to swallow-however it should be used to provide lots of L.C. patients both (mental) support and an income...


Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2024 at 1:52am
part 2 ( https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2023.1187163/full - https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2023.1187163/full   or https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2023.1187163/full )

Attempts to identify a single and possibly novel infectious agent as the cause of most cases of ME/CFS have been unsuccessful. For example, claims that murine leukemia viruses cause ME/CFS have been refuted ( https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2023.1187163/full#B528 - 528 https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2023.1187163/full#B529 - 529 ), as have similar claims for Borna disease virus ( https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2023.1187163/full#B530 - 530 ).
DJ-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold   or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold ;

The common cold or the cold is a  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus - viral   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infectious_disease - infectious disease  of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_respiratory_tract - upper respiratory tract  that primarily affects the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_epithelium - respiratory mucosa  of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_nose - nose ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throat - throat ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranasal_sinuses - sinuses , and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larynx - larynx . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#cite_note-CMAJ2014-6 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#cite_note-CE11-8 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#cite_note-CMAJ2014-6 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#cite_note-CDC2015-3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#cite_note-Eccles2005-4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#cite_note-CDC2015-3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#cite_note-Heik2003-7 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#cite_note-CDC2015-3 - Well over 200  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_strain - virus strains  are implicated in causing the common cold, with  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinovirus - rhinoviruses ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus - coronaviruses ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenoviridae - adenoviruses  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterovirus - enteroviruses  being the most common. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#cite_note-14 -



Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 8:33am
https://x.com/tmprowell -
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Researchers exposed skeletal muscle to serum from ppl w/ https://x.com/hashtag/MECFS?src=hashtag_click - #MECFS or https://x.com/hashtag/LongCovid?src=hashtag_click - #LongCovid
https://x.com/48 - @48
hrs : contractile profile severely compromised, shift to glycolysis @ 96-144 hrs: high fatiguability, fragile tissue, fragmented mitochondria https://x.com/hashtag/MedTwitter?src=hashtag_click - #MedTwitter , PEM is real.

link; https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960896624003353 - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960896624003353   or https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960896624003353 ;
Prolonging the exposure to 96 and 144 hours induced high fatiguability, and fragility in tissues.

 The mitochondria, at longer exposures, appeared to be fragmented and assumed a toroidal conformation indicating a change in mitochondrial membrane potential. 

We hypothesize that the disease progresses through an intermediary stress-induced hypermetabolic state, ultimately leading to severe deterioration of muscle function. 

This is the first account of research that proposes acquired metabolic plasticity in 3D skeletal muscles exposed to ME/CFS and Long COVID-19 sera.

-DJ-The conclusion -my view- pushing people with ME-CFS/Long CoViD beyond their limits brings serious damage...
https://x.com/tmprowell -
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To be clear for anyone new to my posts, this study isn’t when I decided post-exertional malaise (PEM) is real. Many people w/ https://x.com/hashtag/MECFS?src=hashtag_click - #MECFS & https://x.com/hashtag/LongCovid?src=hashtag_click - #LongCovid have described severe fatigue & said exertion worsens symptoms, sometimes dramatically. Listen to patients. Believe them. https://x.com/hashtag/MedTwitter?src=hashtag_click - #MedTwitter

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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2024 at 9:17am
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/study-finds-that-long-covid-19-patients-exhibit-impaired-fat-oxidation - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/study-finds-that-long-covid-19-patients-exhibit-impaired-fat-oxidation   or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/study-finds-that-long-covid-19-patients-exhibit-impaired-fat-oxidation 

link to https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261561424003686 - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261561424003686 or https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261561424003686 ;

Analysis of fat oxidation capacity during cardiopulmonary exercise testing indicates long-lasting metabolic disturbance in patients with Post-COVID-19 Syndrome


DJ, This study did find https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrion - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrion or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrion did not function the way they should in Long CoViD cases...A fitting excercise plan did bring improvement...

It reminds me of the discussion also in ME-CFS cases; Do people "optimize" or recover ? 

It may be effective for some groups-age/gender linked...?



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