Concentrationcamps are back !
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Topic: Concentrationcamps are back !
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Subject: Concentrationcamps are back !
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2024 at 1:18am
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp ; A concentration camp is a form of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_camp - internment camp for confining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_prisoners - political prisoners or politically targeted demographics, such as members of national or minority ethnic groups, on the grounds of state security, or for exploitation or punishment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#cite_note-Britannica-1 - Prominent examples of historic concentration camps include the British confinement of non-combatants during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War - Second Boer War , the mass internment of Japanese-American citizens by the US during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World_War - Second World War , the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps - Nazi concentration camps , which later morphed into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp - extermination camps , and the Soviet labour camps or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag - gulag . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#cite_note-Britannica-1 - Maybe the dividing line has to be the goal of the camp. Is the goal to keep control over refugees, Prisoners Of War or to kill them ? A "camp" can be in the open air-not even tents-but it also can be in "good modern buildings".... From the wiki page; The term "concentration camp" and "internment camp" are used to refer to a variety of systems that greatly differ in their severity, mortality rate, and architecture; their defining characteristic is that inmates are held outside the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law - rule of law . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#cite_note-2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp - extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as "concentration camps". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#cite_note-3 - The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Heritage_Dictionary - American Heritage Dictionary defines the term concentration camp as: "A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group which the government has identified as dangerous or undesirable." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#cite_note-4 - Although the first example of civilian internment may date as far back as the 1830s, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#cite_note-5 - the English term concentration camp was first used in order to refer to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconcentration_policy - reconcentration camps (Spanish:reconcentrados) which were set up by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_under_the_Restoration - Spanish military in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba - Cuba during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Years_War - Ten Years' War (1868–1878). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#cite_note-Columbia-6 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#cite_note-:0-7 - The label was applied yet again to camps set up by the United States during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine%E2%80%93American_War - Philippine–American War (1899–1902). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#cite_note-8 - And expanded usage of the concentration camp label continued, when the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_camps - British set up camps during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War - Second Boer War (1899–1902) in South Africa for interning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer - Boers during the same time period. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#cite_note-Columbia-6 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#cite_note-9 - The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Empire - German Empire also established concentration camps during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide - Herero and Namaqua genocide (1904–1907); the death rate of these camps was 45 per cent, twice that of the British camps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#cite_note-10 - Depending on the definition one could claim "concentration camps" go far back in human history. Pre-Roman societies may have used POW's as slaves in mines...Is a slave-ship a floating concentration camp ? One has to answer that question with a "yes".... Based on the color of their skin groups of people were concentrated and transported without any legal procedures other than allowing slave trade...Part of the "plan/justification" was "non-christians have no soul so they are animals"... |
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2024 at 1:31am
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DJ, The USrael mass murder of Palestinians is a crime in many ways. The Gaza-genocide reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francoist_concentration_camps - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francoist_concentration_camps or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francoist_concentration_camps The German-in English translated page https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentrationslager_im_franquistischen_Spanien - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentrationslager_im_franquistischen_Spanien or https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentrationslager_im_franquistischen_Spanien ; https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Diktatur - from 1936 to 1947 , there were numerous https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentrationslager_%28historischer_Begriff%29 - concentration camps ( https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanische_Sprache - : Campo de concentración ), in which almost half a million Republican fighters of the https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanischer_B%C3%BCrgerkrieg - , refugees and opponents of the regime were imprisoned. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentrationslager_im_franquistischen_Spanien#cite_note-1 - [1] The exact number of concentration camps is still unclear. According to the status of the documentation in 2024, one must assume that there were well over 300 camps and camp-like facilities. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentrationslager_im_franquistischen_Spanien#cite_note-2 - [2] - Mass shootings[ https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Konzentrationslager_im_franquistischen_Spanien&veaction=edit§ion=5 - - Edit | https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Konzentrationslager_im_franquistischen_Spanien&action=edit§ion=5 - - Edit source ]During the Spanish Civil War and in the years following the conflict, around 192,000 prisoners were shot. During the period from 1939 to 1940, hundreds of prisoners were executed per day at their peak. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentrationslager_im_franquistischen_Spanien#cite_note-9 - [9] Several https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massengrab - mass graves were discovered on the grounds of concentration camps. The laborious excavation and identification of the victims has now begun, including in Burgos. A total of 30,000 bodies are said to be lying in mass graves. Forced labor[ https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Konzentrationslager_im_franquistischen_Spanien&veaction=edit§ion=6 - - Edit | https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Konzentrationslager_im_franquistischen_Spanien&action=edit§ion=6 - - Edit source ] In addition to ideological "re-education" measures, the prisoners were subjected to a brutal regime of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwangsarbeit - forced labor and were organized into https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataillon - battalions for this purpose. The aim was not only to rebuild the https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastruktur - destroyed by the https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanischer_B%C3%BCrgerkrieg - Spanish Civil War by building railway lines, dams and reservoirs, but also to demonstrate state power aimed at subjugating, humiliating and physically destroying political opponents by using forced labor to build prestige projects such as the Francoist memorial https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valle_de_los_Ca%C3%ADdos - . https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastruktur - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valle_de_los_Ca%C3%ADdos - A large number of prisoners were also used in the construction of the Canal del https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajo_Guadalquivir - - Bajo Guadalquivir from 1940 until its completion in 1962. In 2006, the section between https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Rinconada_%28Sevilla%29 - La Rinconada and https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dos_Hermanas - Dos Hermanas was given the name Canal de los Presos ("Canal of the Prisoners") in memory of the victims of the canal's construction . Child abduction[ https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Konzentrationslager_im_franquistischen_Spanien&veaction=edit§ion=7 - - Edit | https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Konzentrationslager_im_franquistischen_Spanien&action=edit§ion=7 - - Edit source ]The children of Republicans were often separated from their families and handed over to the care of the Catholic Church. Current research speaks of 30,000 such cases of politically motivated child abduction. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentrationslager_im_franquistischen_Spanien#cite_note-10 - [10] - https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/11/08/franco-concentration-camp-with-mass-graves-nearby-to-be-rebuilt-as-information-centre-on-spains-costa-blanca/ - https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/11/08/franco-concentration-camp-with-mass-graves-nearby-to-be-rebuilt-as-information-centre-on-spains-costa-blanca/ or https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/11/08/franco-concentration-camp-with-mass-graves-nearby-to-be-rebuilt-as-information-centre-on-spains-costa-blanca/ ; ALBATERA’S concentration camp, discovered only in 2020, is to become an information and interpretation centre. One of the derelict barrack buildings at the site will be rebuilt and used as the centre, for visitors to learn of the horrors that happened. The main part of the camp, an enclave measuring only 500 square yards, reportedly kept 16,000 prisoners captive during six months of 1939, at the end of The Spanish Civil War. They were Republican government officials, military staff, journalists, trade unionists and artists who were captured in the port of Alicante by Franco’s marauding fascist forces as they tried to escape Spain on the ship, Stanbrook. Prisoners were believed to have been kept outside in the blistering Spanish sun, with hardly any food or drink. DJ, In Gaza over 2 million Palestinians for over 8 months are on the run inside a limited area with daily bombardments by USrael/NATO. The Lancet study https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2824%2901169-3/fulltext - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext or https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext ; In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2824%2901169-3/fulltext#bib9 - 9 to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza. Using the 2022 Gaza Strip population estimate of 2 375 259, this would translate to 7·9% of the total population in the Gaza Strip. A report from Feb 7, 2024, at the time when the direct death toll was 28 000, estimated that without a ceasefire there would be between 58 260 deaths (without an epidemic or escalation) and 85 750 deaths (if both occurred) by Aug 6, 2024. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2824%2901169-3/fulltext#bib10 - 10 DJ, Part of this "open air concentration camp" -with most buildings destroyed-is the summer heat...Witholding food/water/medication... The clear goal by USrael politicians is to "get rid of sub humans/terrorists"....
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2024 at 1:45am
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DJ-The level of crime in concentration(like)camps was very different. Even under nazi-terror some camps did see laborers as "of use" -at least for some time.... https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-united-states-and-the-holocaust-why-auschwitz-was-not-bombed - https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-united-states-and-the-holocaust-why-auschwitz-was-not-bombed or https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-united-states-and-the-holocaust-why-auschwitz-was-not-bombed (DJ-To put it wider-why mass murder can go on-with lots of people knowing it...). During the spring of 1944, the Allies received more explicit information about the process of mass murder by gassing carried out at https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/narrative/3673/en - Auschwitz-Birkenau . On some days as many as 10,000 people were murdered in its gas chambers. In desperation, Jewish organizations made various proposals to halt the extermination process and rescue Europe's remaining Jews. A few Jewish leaders called for the bombing of the Auschwitz gas chambers; others opposed it. Like some Allied officials, both sides feared the death toll or the German propaganda that might exploit any bombing of the camp's prisoners. No one was certain of the results. Even after Anglo-American air forces developed the capacity to hit targets in Silesia (where the Auschwitz complex was located) in July 1944, US authorities decided not to bomb Auschwitz. American officials explained this decision in part with a technical argument that their aircraft did not have the capacity to conduct air raids on such targets with sufficient accuracy, and in part with a strategic argument that the Allies were committed to bombing exclusively military targets in order to win the war as quickly as possible. - In subsequent decades, the Allied decision not to bomb the gas chambers in or the rail lines leading to Auschwitz-Birkenau has been a source of sometimes bitter debate. Proponents of bombing continue to argue that such an action, while it might have killed some prisoners, could have slowed the killing operations and perhaps ultimately saved lives. DJ...Is there an obligation to intervene when a country is doing a very major crime ? In the past a "R2P" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_to_protect - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_to_protect or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_to_protect ; The responsibility to protect (R2P or RtoP) is a global political commitment which was endorsed by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly - United Nations General Assembly at the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_World_Summit - 2005 World Summit in order to address its four key concerns to prevent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide - genocide , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime - war crimes , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing - ethnic cleansing and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_humanity - crimes against humanity . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_to_protect#cite_note-1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_to_protect#cite_note-2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_to_protect#cite_note-3 - The principle of the responsibility to protect is based upon the underlying premise that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty - sovereignty entails a responsibility to protect all populations from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_crimes - mass atrocity crimes and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights - human rights violations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_to_protect#cite_note-4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_to_protect#cite_note-5 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_to_protect#cite_note-:0-6 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_to_protect#cite_note-7 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_to_protect#cite_note-8 - |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2024 at 2:01am
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DJ, During World War Two the first goals were to win the war...that would also limit the number of deaths in concentration camps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp ; Sde Teiman ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language - Hebrew : שדה תימן) is an Israeli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_base - military base located in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negev_desert - Negev desert near the border with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip - Gaza Strip . During the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war - Israel–Hamas war , its use as a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_camp - detention camp doubled and gained international attention for its systemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations - human rights violations against its Palestinian detainees from the strip. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp#cite_note-CNN-article-1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp#cite_note-Tondo-2 - Multiple released Palestinian detainees have testified they were subjected to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_torture - psychological and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_torture - physical torture as well as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence - sexual violence by Israeli soldiers. Multiple reports also speak of prisoners who suffered from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_neglect - medical neglect for injuries sustained, which led to cases of arm and leg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amputation - amputations . Their testimonies have been corroborated by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblowing - whistleblowing Israeli staff and a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN - CNN investigation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp#cite_note-CNN-article-1 - In one highly publicized incident, leaked CCTV footage showed Israeli soldiers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_raping - gang raping a Palestinian detainee with a metal rod that caused him serious injuries to his anus and lungs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp#cite_note-3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp#cite_note-4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp#cite_note-5 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp#cite_note-detention-6 - |