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    Posted: 30 Aug 2024 at 11:49pm
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You can't develop immunity to a virus that damages your immune system.

DJ...somehow we are supposed to believe catching an infectious disease will offer protection against catching that disease again. That only works if;
-the disease does not change much
-the host has enough of an immunity system working able to recognize the (previous) disease...

https://www.okdoomer.io/will-this-fog-last-forever/  or https://www.okdoomer.io/will-this-fog-last-forever/ ;

The world has become a bitch to deal with. Every single day, we put most of our energy into survival. We're not just trying to survive collapse, a slow motion doom that includes the rampant spread of disabling diseases. We're trying to survive other humans and their ignorance.

A decade ago, life partners used to get together over the kitchen table and talk about the nitty gritty details of the future. They talked about things like life insurance, college savings, and retirement plans. In 2024, my partner and I talk about what to do if the power goes out during a tornado in the middle of a heat wave in the middle of a pandemic. We talk about what to do if flooding disrupts the drinking water supply. These aren't hypotheticals fretted over by fearmongers. Over the last few years, it has all happened.


They happened to us.


I know several writers who are struggling with Long Covid. Not one. Not two. Not three. I know at least half a dozen.


DJ, H5N1 now also detected in California cattle...the main reason why there are not more human H5N1 US cases may be the US november elections....

CoViD by now has millions of variations...catching several types of CoViD at the same time " is a new perspective"....

Main-stream-media-lies still try to link Mpox to homosexuals...further marginalizing  both a high risk disease most spread in children and gay men...

I would "love to believe" the main reason has to be utter stupidity...But by now "inconveniant truths" has resulted in active, agressive denial of reality...
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DJ, A twitter/X discussion;
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We have very high levels of population immunity We had a large summer surge of infections and our healthcare system was largely fine We have to do more to protect our most vulnerable but go back to 2020? No
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Why are masks not required in healthcare? Why is it acceptable for the clinically vulnerable to have to risk their lives any time they need to access healthcare? Why isnt the ventilation upgrade that your children's school made required in every school in America?
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How do you propose schools protect "our most vulnerable"? How do you reconcile your position on population immunity w/ the size of the current wave, speed of SARS-COV-2's viral evolution & saying, "herd immunity is not possible for COVID-19"?
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With 1.3 million new infxns every day, how can you talk about this in the past tense? Further, you must know the damage that infxns do to all (regardless of vulnerability), so, how can you be so dismissive? Or, maybe you DON’T know. Yeh, maybe that’s it.

DJ, Should we "live with pandemics"-try to limit damage ? 

Can we realy "limit damage" ? Six vaccines may still only decrease the risks for Long CoViD if one catches CoViD...

Most multi-disease infections are very likely missed. If one is testing positive for CoViD "no need to test for flu"....Lots of diseases often -in most cases- may result in the same kinds of symptoms...Only a small group (<10%) of polio-patients develop clear polio-symptoms...

Even the pox in Mpox may not show that clear...Most of infectious disease spread is BEFORE symptoms show up...

Should people get all kinds of vaccines every month ???? Is that the "big-pharma-profits" idea ? 

Non-sterilizing vaccines can not end pandemics...Damaged immunity makes vaccines "less effective (to useless-because the vaccine does NOT give the immune reaction it is supposed to give...). 

Somehow we now live in a multi-disease pandemic and "denial is the only strategy"...
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As a non-expert https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4789761/  or https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4789761/ ;

1918 pandemic influenza virus and Streptococcus pneumoniae coinfection results in activation of coagulation and widespread pulmonary thrombosis in mice and humans


DJ, Very likely in history during pandemics there were more than one disease spreading. 
High mortality ended 100 years ago by lots of innovations, from sewage to vaccines, hygiene etc. 

As far as I understand humans-other animals-are exposed to lots of diseases almost on a daily basis...Immunity limits those diseases so in general people/hosts do not get ill. 

However what may be "new" is -in 2024- several highly infectious diseases may be showing up...H5N1 must be widespread in many species...very likely this year had "dozens" of human cases-most detected in the US and Cambodia...

Mpox clade 1b already around the globe...it can take two to three weeks before symptoms show up...We are NOT stopping spread...

CoViD must be in hundred+ sorts of animals...and lots of other diseases were only recently detected-like H3N3 flu in the north of China...

You can NOT test for unknown diseases...You can not develop immunity if the immunity system in the host is damaged...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic ;

Throughout human history, there have been a number of pandemics of diseases such as smallpox. The Black Death, caused by the Plague, caused the deaths of up to half of the population of Europe in the 14th century.[2][3][4][5] The term pandemic had not been used then, but was used for later epidemics, including the 1918 H1N1 influenza A pandemic—more commonly known as the Spanish flu—which is the deadliest pandemic in history.[6][7][8] The most recent pandemics include the HIV/AIDS pandemic,[a][9] the 2009 swine flu pandemic and the COVID-19 pandemic. Almost all these diseases still circulate among humans though their impact now is often far less.

and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics_and_pandemics or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics_and_pandemics ; In the top 10  (of deaths) FIVE of the outbreaks were 1900 and later...With CoViD deaths put " in between 7 and 35 million" (untill 2024). 
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https://theweek.com/covid-19/1016836/the-dawn-of-the-pandemicene  or https://theweek.com/covid-19/1016836/the-dawn-of-the-pandemicene ;

Where do pandemics come from?

Research has shown that many human pandemics originated with animals. This applies to HIV, smallpox, tuberculosis, Ebola, and COVID-19, to name a few. However, there is a biological process that needs to occur for a disease to transition from an animal to a human, and before it can spread among humans, according to the National Library of Medicine.

These are called zoonotic diseases, which are diseases caused by germs spread between animals and humans. They can spread in multiple ways, according to the CDC. This includes direct contact, indirect contact (through a vector like a mosquito or tick), through food, and through water. The diseases that come from each of these types are handled differently; however, all of them are likely to increase because of climate change.


DJ, the article from september 2022 may be one of the first to use "Pandemicene"; Lots of diseases on a pandemic level-never ending...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocene#  or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocene# ;

The Anthropocene is the proposed name for a geological epoch following the Holocene, dating from the commencement of significant human impact on Earth up to the present day. This impact affects Earth's geologylandscapelimnologyecosystems and climate.[1][2] The effects of human activities on Earth can be seen for example in biodiversity loss and climate change. Various start dates for the Anthropocene have been proposed, ranging from the beginning of the Neolithic Revolution (12,000–15,000 years ago), to as recently as the 1960s. The biologist Eugene F. Stoermer is credited with first coining and using the term "anthropocene" informally in the 1980s; Paul J. Crutzen re-invented and popularized the term.[3] However, in 2024 the International Commission on Stratigraphy (ICS) and the International Union of Geological Sciences (IUGS) rejected the Anthropocene Epoch proposal for inclusion in the Geologic Time Scale.[4][5][6]

So both Anthropo-cene and Pandemi-cene are not "scientific names" (yet). However both describe human 9in)action destroying life on Earth...
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DJ-Since "politics" fail to get pandemics under control-they try to control the news on pandemics...I did give up on "main stream bla-bla" a few years ago...Alternatives however not allways provide a good picture as well...

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Norway: Sick leave in Norway has reached its highest level in 15 years The absentee rate is now higher than during the Covid pandemic, and is at its highest level since the swine flu epidemic of 2009.
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Vietnam: Fatal case of influenza A(H1N1) variant virus "On 19 August 2024, the Viet Nam IHR NFP notified WHO of a laboratory-confirmed human infection with a swine-origin influenza A(H1N1)v virus."
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Study: Susceptibility of Synanthropic Rodents to H5N1 Subtype High Pathogenicity Avian Influenza Viruses Results "strongly suggest synanthropic wild rodents are susceptible to infection of avian-origin H5N1 subtype HPAIVs"
DJ, One of my worries is co-infections...both in humans and other animals. 
-Different kinds of flu (H3N2/H1N1 and H5N1 as example)  could result in a "worse kind of flu"
-Flu-Rona mix of CoViD and certain flu-types may be missed in already marginal testing...If "a test" is positive a "host" may have a type of flu or CoViD...testing for more than one infection is very limited (as far as I know)...

Lots of diseases spread via a lot of species...bird-cattle-farm worker spread of H5N1 must have resulted in dozens of US farm workers catching H5N1...Only 13 US H5N1 farm worker cases got in the news...DJ-Did they detect more cases-and kept it out of the news or did the US simply stop testing for it ? 

Mexico MUST have had cattle linked spread of H5N1 both via raw milk and -imported from the US-Texas-cattle...did Mexico simply not test-so "no cases" ? 
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The (E)CDC does expect Mpox clade 1b must be "in the west"...with the 2022 Mpox clade 2b also still spreading (and a lot of possible infected people NOT seeking testing because "media" made it a sex-related disease...Clade 1b is most found in children and may be airborne=high risk...Stupid sensationalist media are increasing the problem...) 
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There is waste water/sewage sampling, excess deaths-statistics, sick leave...They ALL indicate a lot of countries have a health issue...

Shortages in the labor market may be filled up -in part- by refugees...

DJ-My general picture, Like with climate collapse "politics" goes for "saving the economy" and "hope" pandemics will "go away"...

Age of stupidity ! Lets go for more wars...

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Wuhan Institute of Virology may have released polio virus in 2014 Polio strain from 2014 outbreak is '99 percent' identical to a polio variant that was stored at WIV Daily Mail Online

DJ, Ignore history or science...( part of polio vaccines are with living-weakened polio virus) but lets blame China...next on NATO war list after Russia, Iran...

The basic disease is a mental one...Seeking war and confrontation...NOT solving any problem...DISGUSTING !
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Bloomberg: “YES, everyone, everywhere, really is sick a lot more often.” At least 13 communicable diseases, from the common cold to measles & tuberculosis, are surging past their pre-pandemic levels in many regions, and often by significant margins.

link; https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-14/why-is-everyone-getting-sick-behind-the-global-rise-in-rsv-flu-measles  or https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-14/why-is-everyone-getting-sick-behind-the-global-rise-in-rsv-flu-measles 

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A growing body of research shows that Covid infections cause lasting damage to our immune systems, leaving us more susceptible to other diseases. The graphics below are from Yale School of Public Health;
link; https://x.com/_CatintheHat/status/1831972935512605089/photo/1  or https://x.com/_CatintheHat/status/1831972935512605089/photo/1 

DJ-CoViD damaging immunity is NOT new ! 
-Increase of a lot of other infectious diseases is NOT new !

Still "we have to live with it"..."economy/profits first/only" ...politics/science for sale made democrazy into democrazy ! Lets have another war ! Who can we blame ? 
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When one thinks of "statistical models" ;
-Lots of diseases
-Hundreds of billions of hosts (humans and other animals...)
-No intention of serious controls/stopping spread
-Incubationtime/asymptomatic spread and R0 >1+ may see uncontrolled high speed spread of a mix of diseases and new variants of them high speed...

We live in an age of insanity !
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BMJ: A large global post-covid surge in infectious diseases "Since the beginning of 2022, 44 countries have experienced a 10-fold increase in the incidence of at least one of 13 infectious diseases compared with a pre-pandemic baseline"

link; https://www.bmj.com/content/385/bmj.q1348  or https://www.bmj.com/content/385/bmj.q1348 ;

A large post-covid global surge in common communicable diseases including influenza, measles, tuberculosis, and whooping cough has been identified in a new analysis of data from 60 organisations and public health agencies.

Since the beginning of 2022, 44 countries have experienced a 10-fold increase in the incidence of at least one of 13 infectious diseases compared with a pre-pandemic baseline, according to the analysis1 by the UK based disease forecasting firm Airfinity and the US news website Bloomberg.

Experts said that with no historical precedent, they can’t fully explain the resurgence in infectious diseases.

Jeremy Farrar, World Health Organization chief scientist, told The BMJ, “We’ve not had an acute, fast moving, and devastating pandemic in the modern scientific era. The last major devastating pandemic was in 1918 when there was no vaccination, no diagnostics or treatments. We’re in new territory here.”

Airfinity scientists said, however, that declining vaccine rates during the pandemic, notably for children—because of disrupted supply chains and limited immunisation during lockdowns—is likely to be a major factor for measles, polio, tuberculosis, and whooping cough, all classified as vaccine preventable diseases.


DJ, Good point; There is limited vaccination capacity...so in part a lower rate of vaccination in children can explain an increase of some diseases...

Data from Unicef show that 25 million children missed at least one dose of the three shot diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough vaccine in 2021, with just 81% getting all three doses, the lowest level in 13 years.

Whooping cough cases in China in the first four months of 2024 were 45 times that for the whole of 2023. Spain has already seen a 134% post-pandemic increase in cases of whooping cough, with France, Norway, and the UK also expected to surpass pre-pandemic levels in the next few months, according to the report. “Current outbreaks could be driven by pressure on the virus to gain adaptations that may impact the effectiveness of current vaccines,” said Piroeva.

Measles is another disease on the rise. More than 1.8 million children in 20 countries in Europe missed their measles jab between 2020 and 2022, with vaccination rates falling below 90%. European countries saw a 30-fold spike in measles cases in 2023, the study reported.

Measles was declared eliminated in the US in 2000 but the study reports it’s now making a comeback in more than 20 American states.2 Incidence is also rising in the UK.3 In Austria measles incidence in the first five months of 2024 is 190% higher than the pre-pandemic peak, according to the study.


DJ, More cases of infectious diseases in children does result in more spread to adults...

Speaking at the report’s launch, Farrar said rebuilding society’s trust in vaccines is essential. “While the world is out of the acute public health emergency phase, the pandemic has had second order effects including a growing anti-vaccine movement,” he said. “We can’t just say some people are anti-science or anti-vaccine and forget them. We’ve got to make the case for science and for vaccines and explain their importance.”

Influenza is one of several diseases not categorised as vaccine preventable where incidence is also increasing. The number of cases in the last flu season was 75% higher in Europe and 28% higher in the US compared with 2019. Cases of respiratory syncytial virus have nearly doubled in parts of Australia compared with a year ago. This may be because of immunity debt following the protection from routine pathogens during the pandemic lockdowns, leaving people more vulnerable as life got back to normal.


DJ...
Climate change may also be enabling the spread of diseases such as cholera and dengue, which is transmitted to humans by infected mosquitoes. Argentina has had a 152-fold increase in dengue cases, from 3220 in 2019 to 488 035 cases already this year, its largest ever rise. “As temperatures continue to increase, we could see dengue becoming endemic in southern Europe,” Piroeva added.

DJ, I miss the part of immunity damage after infection...CoViD may do a lot of damage to immunity and has to be a major factor. But it may be very hard to calculate/estimate the damage resulting in more infectious diseases...

Another point is some diseases; H5N1 as example-did start spreading worldwide before/during the CoViD early phases...Non-human hosts may see more diseases that show to be a growing risk for humans...A balance was broken...Lots of diseases always were around but most of the time did not end in humans...
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So a lot of people who catch Covid go through a period of vulnerability to other opportunistic infections in the following months. This has been one of the biggest summer waves. Expect one of the worst winters ever for other infections. Bookmark this.
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Expect hospitals overloaded with infections other than covid.
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And expect another wave of Covid to boot.
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And, no, don't listen to any of the goons who blame mitigations five years ago.
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This is Covid's fault.
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For many their immune system never recovers and they'll be forever susceptible to other opportunistic germs and cancers!
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Australia here coming out of a winter with TEN X normal incidence of whooping Cough, RSV, Strep B, Influenza A&B. Brach yourselves. 😬
DJ...limited vaccinations (in children)  is only one aspect of the "mega-mix" of diseases coming our way...

"Science" needs facts, long term studies...So the BMJ NOT mentioning CoViD damage does NOT rule out an even major role for CoViD in increasing all kinds of diseases...But long time studies may take over a year...DJ-And we may not have that long to avoid a major health collapse...

Looking at the past "weather", "mass events/mass spreaders" are also reasons why some regions/countries may be hit harder than others...Most western EU countries have good sick leave/social laws...People may not go to their job/school when they are ill...so further limiting disease spread...

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/cmr.00072-23  or https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/cmr.00072-23 ;

Home tests for Covid-19 still detect the most variants. But a single test is not enough! Accuracy after symptoms appear: Day 1 -2 > 30-60% Day 4 -5 > 93%

DJ...In a lot of European countries DIY-at home tests are widespread and cheap (if not free)....A.o. in the US those same tests may be harder to get and more expensive...
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This week's COVID vs. Flu report August 2024: 121 Influenza deaths 4,591 COVID deaths (38x flu) 8.4 Wastewater SARS-CoV-2 (very high) August 2023 (1 yr ago): 91 Influenza deaths 4,150 COVID deaths (46x flu) 4.8 Wastewater SARS-CoV-2 (medium)

DJ, I think the above is a US story...however reflecting a global health crisis. With lots of untested deaths...CoViD causing damage all over the body...

https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/09/ukhsa-releases-updated-mpox-technical.html  or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2024/09/ukhsa-releases-updated-mpox-technical.html ;

Due to limited surveillance and testing in the DRC (only about 20% of suspected cases are ever confirmed), we only have a limited understanding of the severity or transmissibility of this new threat.  The WHO reported last weekend:

  • Mpox case fatality ratio in the Democratic Republic of the Congo in 2024 is 0.5% among confirmed cases (25 deaths out of 5160 cases) and 3.3% among suspected cases (717 deaths among 21 835 cases).

While the risks of sustained community spread of Mpox Clade Ib outside of Central Africa is currently believed to be low (see ECDC Assessment), we are dealing with limited data, and the reality that this virus continues to evolve. 


DJ, UK politcs again discussing CoViD strategies;
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The truly ironic thing is that, during ‘The Long Pause’, the only sound you can hear is the faint hum of the HEPA air filters cleaning the air in the room… …while Dr Ritchie contemplates whether ventilation is only a useful precaution if Covid is airborne. (H/t )

DJ, Both the WHO and lots of countries sticked to "droplet" spread; CoViD was supposed to be NOT airborne...While they themselves increased ventilation to reduce risks...

If you even fail to go for ANY serious testing on ANY disease how you can even claim to have ANY control over it ???????
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DJ, Not only TB(C)/Tuberculoses-cases record high..

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🚨 Measles cases in Italy 🇮🇹 2023: 44 2024*: 🚨 897 🚨 ⚠️During 2024 (till September!) we already recorded 20x cases than 2023

Among many other diseases...
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