Post Reply - MH17-10 years ago

Reichstagsbrand

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 ;
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17) was a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down by Russian-controlled forces^[4]^[5]^[6]^[7] on 17 July 2014, while flying over eastern Ukraine. All 283 passengers and 15 crew were killed.^[8]

DJ, the claim "Russia did it" was based on UKraine secret service info...Russia-even Malaysia !!!- were kept out of the investigations...Of course UKraine played a major role in those "investigations".....

Lots of sources claimed an old Soviet era BUK-missile was used. Not in use by Russia-still-in 2014-in use by UKraine...

DJ-"Pro-Russian seperatists" could have gotten an UKraine old BUK ...Only why would they shoot at a plane flying close to 10 kilometers over UKraine ?  For the "rebel forces" LOW !!!! flying UKraine (and Georgian) planes were the major problem...

DJ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire#Political_consequences or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire#Political_consequences ;
The Reichstag fire (German: Reichstagsbrand, listen^ⓘ) was an arson attack on the Reichstag building, home of the German parliament in Berlin, on Monday, 27 February 1933, precisely four weeks after Adolf Hitler was sworn in as Chancellor of Germany. Marinus van der Lubbe, a Dutch council communist, was the alleged culprit; however, Hitler attributed the fire to Communist agitators.
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In The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William L. Shirer wrote that at the Nuremberg Trials, General Franz Halder stated in an affidavit that Hermann Göring had boasted about setting the fire: "On the occasion of a lunch on the Führer's birthday in 1943, the people around the Führer turned the conversation to the Reichstag building and its artistic value. I heard with my own ears how Göring broke into the conversation and shouted: 'The only one who really knows about the Reichstag building is I, for I set fire to it.' And saying this he slapped his thigh".^[58]
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A possible scenario may be UKraine did shoot down the MH17 flight...but it did not fit in the NATO story...

198 Dutch people died in the MH17 shoot down. In Dutch media referred to as "disaster" NOT as a war crime...

If western claims-some of it going as far as "Putin ordered it" -were believed to be real it would have been a reason for much harder actions against Russia...

However NL did NOT break relations with Russia at the time...some trade continued...Nord Stream was build...
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Could Russia by accident or on purpose should down a passenger plane over UKraine in 2014 ? DJ-YES ! They are no saints...

However UKraine doing so and blaming Russia for it may make more sense (at least to me). 
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Family members have a right to know the truth. They may be denied to know what realy happened for "political reasons"....

There may be a lot of evidence (US radar images, a flight controller from Kiev "missing" since that day) still hidden...unwelcome for NATO war goals...
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Governments/politicians should try to limit their lies...In wars, pandemics, climate collapse we now end up with almost "lies only"....Maybe it was a reality for centuries...we simply could not know...Internet changed the picture...