how to lie ?

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   DJ, One very often used way to lie is (mis)using statistics....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsz08a5Foj0 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsz08a5Foj0 "de avondshow" NL-TV once "progressve-now neo-liberal vpro"....."Europeans are lazy; GDP-per capita in the US is higher in allmost all US states-because US workers make more hours".....

DJ-It reminds me of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels style of propaganda lies....

Most of Europe has tax paid healthcare...hardly anyone goes bankrupt due to medical costs-in the US 1 million households go bankrupt each year because of medical costs....

A good comment on a terrible video/TV show;
@VVCepheiii
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I often visit the US and GDP doesn't mean much. People earn a lot there, that's true, but life is also much more expensive, there are 0 social safety nets, employee rights do not exist, healthcare costs are bizarrely high (childbirth costs between 10,000 and 30,000 dollars, no joke), health insurance is very expensive, especially if you work part time, almost all food is stuffed to the last gram with preservatives (often banned in the EU) to keep the 'shelf life' as long as possible, people die earlier, retire later, have a a handful of vacation days a year, they can only be sick a handful of days a year otherwise they can be fired, there is enormous income inequality and I could go on and on. 

Europe may be a bit too strict, but the US still remains the Wild West when it comes to regulation, which makes it easier to earn a lot of money, but the lack of a safety net and regulation also means that income inequality is enormous. Bottom line, it seems nice that the GDP is so nice and high, but prosperity only belongs to a limited group of people and the rest are allowed to suffocate.

DJ...Ignoring neo-nazi's in UKraine is WRONG !!!! I try to understand WHY people (from the west)  join neo-nazi's, IS etc. but do not ignore it....(or like it...)

Independent journalism in the west is attacked by politics and "media"...."Presstistution-journalism/news for sale" is a new normal....

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Dutch Josh 2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 21 Aug 2024 Status: Offline Points: 894	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dutch Josh 2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: how to lie ? Posted: 19 Oct 2024 at 2:02am
	DJ, One very often used way to lie is (mis)using statistics.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsz08a5Foj0 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsz08a5Foj0 "de avondshow" NL-TV once "progressve-now neo-liberal vpro"....."Europeans are lazy; GDP-per capita in the US is higher in allmost all US states-because US workers make more hours"..... DJ-It reminds me of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels style of propaganda lies.... Most of Europe has tax paid healthcare...hardly anyone goes bankrupt due to medical costs-in the US 1 million households go bankrupt each year because of medical costs.... A good comment on a terrible video/TV show; @VVCepheiii 1 day ago I often visit the US and GDP doesn't mean much. People earn a lot there, that's true, but life is also much more expensive, there are 0 social safety nets, employee rights do not exist, healthcare costs are bizarrely high (childbirth costs between 10,000 and 30,000 dollars, no joke), health insurance is very expensive, especially if you work part time, almost all food is stuffed to the last gram with preservatives (often banned in the EU) to keep the 'shelf life' as long as possible, people die earlier, retire later, have a a handful of vacation days a year, they can only be sick a handful of days a year otherwise they can be fired, there is enormous income inequality and I could go on and on. Europe may be a bit too strict, but the US still remains the Wild West when it comes to regulation, which makes it easier to earn a lot of money, but the lack of a safety net and regulation also means that income inequality is enormous. Bottom line, it seems nice that the GDP is so nice and high, but prosperity only belongs to a limited group of people and the rest are allowed to suffocate. DJ...Ignoring neo-nazi's in UKraine is WRONG !!!! I try to understand WHY people (from the west) join neo-nazi's, IS etc. but do not ignore it....(or like it...) Independent journalism in the west is attacked by politics and "media"...."Presstistution-journalism/news for sale" is a new normal....

Dutch Josh 2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 21 Aug 2024 Status: Offline Points: 894	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dutch Josh 2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2024 at 2:09am
	Matt Kennard reposted Rivkah Brown @rivkahbrown · 21h < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> SCOOP: Guardian editor Katharine Viner personally intervened to block a piece by a preeminent Palestinian author for describing Gaza as "the holocaust of our time". Meanwhile staff claim they are subject to a "double standard" on Israel & Palestine: link; https://novaramedia.com/2024/10/18/discontent-deepens-among-guardian-staff-over-palestine-double-standard/ or https://novaramedia.com/2024/10/18/discontent-deepens-among-guardian-staff-over-palestine-double-standard/ ...DJ-once the Guardian represented journalism...now it is filthy propaganda.....not better than cnn etc. Matt Kennard @kennardmatt · 23h < aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="menu" aria-label="More" role="" ="-175oi2r r-1777fci r-bt1l66 r-bztko3 r-lrvibr r-1loqt21 r-1ny4l3l" -testid="caret" ="" style="text-align: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-family: inherit; align-items: stretch; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: black; display: flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 20px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0; overflow: ; justify-: center; cursor: pointer; outline-style: none; user-: none;"> UK government secretly designed + enacted a propaganda campaign to destroy the reputation of John Pilger. Part of it involved passing materials to client journalists to smear him in the media. Not a single word about it has ever appeared in a UK paper link; https://www.declassifieduk.org/the-uk-government-covertly-plotted-to-discredit-john-pilger/ or https://www.declassifieduk.org/the-uk-government-covertly-plotted-to-discredit-john-pilger/ DJ-The internet may be the end of free speech....Governments "fight misinformation" by their own lies....We are sinking in a totalitarian dystopia both digital and real world... A donor class funded tunnel vision-in the interest of the donorclass-is the ONLY truth....

Dutch Josh 2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 21 Aug 2024 Status: Offline Points: 894	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dutch Josh 2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2024 at 2:14am
	DJ-On the vpro-avondshow lies; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita compared with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita#Table or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita#Table https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product#Limitations_and_criticisms or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product#Limitations_and_criticisms ... DJ-Statistics-certainly in complex matters-have limited use/value... --------- Everything "public" is under attack, from public healthcare, housing, education to transport....Misusing statistics so GDP per capita" would increase if we end everything public" is not one-but many-steps in the WRONG direction.... NATO did destroy healthcare-that was far from perfect but at least "as best as possible" in "socialist" countries like Iraq, Libya (and via osama-bin-laden etc. in Afghanistan...). Civilization itself is at risk....in the interest of greed of a few...