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   DJ, AGAIN-we-as humans-find ourselves in a time of wars, pandemics, climate collapse...
Maybe good to remember it is NOT the first time we are in this kind of crisis-I admit-it may be the last time...

The timeframe september 1939-december 1941 did see the world moving into a second world war...In fact it would be more correct-from a history perspective-to claim it was already World War 4...1618-1648 may go for World War One-thirty year war in NW Europe, wars in the America's, Asia, Africa...

Napoleon did see global wars. UK fighting the US while also in Europe and Africa wars were ongoing...
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Religion often is a major part of war. I would welcome people praying instead of killing...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant ;Flagellants are practitioners of a form of mortification of the flesh by whipping their skin with various instruments of penance

DJ, If you feel a need to hurt someone-please hurt yourself !
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The Plague was another famous dark time...or the fall of the (west/east) Roman Empire...

So-yes...2025 is "not nice"...but we may have seen worse...

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Dutch Josh 2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 21 Aug 2024 Status: Offline Points: 1736	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dutch Josh 2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: dark times Posted: 19 Mar 2025 at 11:09pm
	DJ, AGAIN-we-as humans-find ourselves in a time of wars, pandemics, climate collapse... Maybe good to remember it is NOT the first time we are in this kind of crisis-I admit-it may be the last time... The timeframe september 1939-december 1941 did see the world moving into a second world war...In fact it would be more correct-from a history perspective-to claim it was already World War 4...1618-1648 may go for World War One-thirty year war in NW Europe, wars in the America's, Asia, Africa... Napoleon did see global wars. UK fighting the US while also in Europe and Africa wars were ongoing... -- Religion often is a major part of war. I would welcome people praying instead of killing... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant ;Flagellants are practitioners of a form of mortification of the flesh by whipping their skin with various instruments of penance DJ, If you feel a need to hurt someone-please hurt yourself ! - The Plague was another famous dark time...or the fall of the (west/east) Roman Empire... So-yes...2025 is "not nice"...but we may have seen worse...

Dutch Josh 2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 21 Aug 2024 Status: Offline Points: 1736	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dutch Josh 2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Mar 2025 at 11:51pm
	Looking at US history the US did see a "dark decade" between november 1963-murder of JFK and august 1974 Nixon stepping down because of Watergate...In that time JFK, MLK, RFK a.o. got murdered. Vietnam war protests faced US national guards-shooting at protestors...race riots... The insanity of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism ..."communists" like Charlie Chaplin leaving the US...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg "legal murder"...(reminding me of the other famous legal murder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti ). So...is the trump era an exception ? Or are -in US history- dark times switching for "better"times the normal... I do not doubt führer trumpf is damaging the US in his anti-science insanity...in history a lot of empires ended in self destruction. The anti-vax "movement" is a form of "pandemic selection"/learning "the hard way"...Tariffs and wars can not replace investments in infrastructure, housing, healthcare and education... "Stupid fixes itself"...

Dutch Josh 2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 21 Aug 2024 Status: Offline Points: 1736	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dutch Josh 2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Mar 2025 at 4:17am
	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAFg3Cf_bmQ or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAFg3Cf_bmQ ; 536 AD: How Did Humanity Survive The Worst Year In History? The volcanic winter of 536 was the most severe and protracted episode of climatic cooling in the Northern Hemisphere in the last 2,000 years. Investigating through the lens of dendrochronology and historical accounts, this documentary explores how a mysterious dimming of the sun, blood-colored rain, and dust clouds plunged civilizations into two years of darkness, followed by famine, plague, and societal collapse. Through the groundbreaking research of historians like David Keys and scientist Mike Bailey, discover how tree rings from around the world offer crucial insights into this pivotal moment that forever altered the course of human history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakatoa#AD_416_event or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakatoa#AD_416_event ; ^] David Keys, Ken Wohletz, and others have postulated that a violent volcanic eruption, possibly of Krakatoa, in 535 was responsible for the global climate changes of 535–536.^[19] Drilling projects in Sunda Strait ruled out any possibility that an eruption took place in 535 AD.^[20]^[21] DJ...so it may not be clear what caused the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter_of_536 or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter_of_536 ...however there WAS a global problem that year...Another story may be the Krakatau "explosive eruption" destroying a landbridge between Java and Sumat(e)ra...(Indonesia)... A.o. the eruption/536 crisis very likely is part of a puzzle for the collapse-end-of the West Roman Empire...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_War_(535%E2%80%93554) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_War_(535%E2%80%93554) DJ-The West Roman Empire ended in 476...however East Roman Empire tried to restore (part of it) around 535... Maybe even worse...there are lots of major/super volcanos able to repeat such a climate disaster now... So-yes-2025 is "not nice" however it can get much worse...

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536 AD: How Did Humanity Survive The Worst Year In History?